Trading lol?

Well Bond, you are who voted to remove them, as you said, and it happened. So I don't think this thread is made against removing the pods. You have a second reason for it, to have other legal routes, which you shown in your post quoting Abras, other legal routes like the old prisoners one. But to make it clear you could've started with that... the one that matters (OP) don't really have time to read several posts to get the real meaning of things.

Edit after Bond's post: Indeed, only half of what you voted happened. Next time remember to keep pointing at the part that matters, to make it clear...

And, requests could've been done privately. Unless they get ignored, no reason to make a public thread where everyone can post and vote/flame, including those players you mentioned who don't play the game but ruin things with their votes.

*blink* and the wonders are done.
AHH forgot we are in real life and Jeannie cant make wonders to happen.

If someone might oversee that we have millions of possible trades - with a great variety each day - tell me how you want to make adjustments to it that easily. Container runs have been a problem. It was - lets say abused - and people earned tons of tons of money. It was adjusted so they now can earn just tons of money.

Balancing the market would - whenever we deem to make another adjustment - another 6 months. Besides the fact that not only the time we would need to do this adjustments is not available - its its technically not the easiest tasks to fulfill.

Sometimes its easier to adapt to the changes made. You coppers are just not intended to earn your money with trading. If you want - get a smuggler license.
If not then hm play the game - do something else than trading. I am sure there is enough to do (e. g. hold events, start to involve yourself in ASF/CSF, help new players). If you still dont know what to do - think about some stories that can be written on the forum, your blog or something else.
But please safe us the time to talk about things that are currently not part of any further adjustments. We at earliest can think of further adjustments with the next version - what nevertheless would delay and release any more. I am sorry - but time and efforts to do something for the mod are limited!

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I was out for the past near two weeks because of school work. I never saw this coming.... Couldn't there be a way to make the smugglers earn more profits than normal people instead of us getting less? Just a question

There are 3 smuggler routes I know of that are profitable and "train" friendly. The stations are also not on the tradelanes so its fairly easy to sneak in, get your cargo and make it to your destination using a combinatin of jumpholes and gates.

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There are 3 smuggler routes I know of that are profitable and "train" friendly. The stations are also not on the tradelanes so its fairly easy to sneak in, get your cargo and make it to your destination using a combinatin of jumpholes and gates.

Isn't that a good thing for the smugglers then? Or am I missing something XD.

Well, i did listen to what the players wanted... i did what the players wanted... i get the blame now... I will never listen again

if you want the limits removed this can be done... Ill do that and at the same time ill take away all benefits that i ever introduced
lets see if you like vanilla economy with 1mio per hour max

After consideration and discussion with other mods, topic is reopened.
~Griffin

Because discussing it will bring sugar, spice and everything nice? That's the "lol" in this...

Yesterday, full profit of Alien Organisms (2048 credits). 10 mintues to load in Telosis ("on foot" via train turrets), 5-10 minutes trip to sell in Daedalus. 5 million profit. 15-20 M per hour, in theory.

looks that miner can be very usefull in this. SA_Miner is ready for help in this type operations and can actually reduce load time to 0. ... and now try think what profit can be using few trains at the same time ...

About that, I've reopened the JMT topic in here...

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looks that miner can be very usefull in this. SA_Miner is ready for help in this type operations and can actually reduce load time to 0.

... and now try think what profit can be using few trains at the same time ...

and this is what I call teamwork and playing together

Cygna post was removed by me ...

want something change? you think things are completelly wrong? ... you know that ticket system allow also post suggestions?
...you think that offensive way is best if you want change something? Tried you for a second think why were some things done how are now and tried you think how to adapt? ...

people that know everything better can for sure build their own mod

Just make the gameplay suggestion system without ability of comments (exept from dev team) and things would be easy to think.

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Here I sit, watch and think...

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if you all will go on the same road, then the administration will stop listnening everything becouse someone prefers more likely to blame than to discuss and the players will just fear to ask everything someday becouse somebody will permanently shut their mouth. You can be sure of it, becouse I'm already feel it in the air.

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If the players have to say, then they will say it that way or another and no one could stop it anyway. You can just make the specific area to that kind of discussing. And if the administration can't or don't want to do something, then they can just say "no".

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You're all are going to be much more agressive from day to day, people. When I first came here, it was much more fun.
Stop fighting and let us play. Stop derailing the threads and start to discuss about real problems and how we could solve them.

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SCNR anymore...

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Cygna post was removed by me ...

want something change? you think things are completelly wrong? ... you know that ticket system allow also post suggestions?
...you think that offensive way is best if you want change something? Tried you for a second think why were some things done how are now and tried you think how to adapt? ...

Meh, Nice Forlon, just proves my point.
So as long as we say nice things about this mod then ppl like you or Griffin wont delete them.
So freedom of speech is not right on a FORUM such as this.
Lets all hold hands, stick a flower in our hair and sing koom-bi-ar, and pretend everything is alright. ( which its not )

And try to string your sentences together so us English ppl can understand them...
thought i was doing the times crossword for a moment there.

In my last post i meant, more ships, more missions, more systems.
Most of that we got, but the other stuff was making it impossible to do TRADE, MINING, etc..etc

You may have said that YOU have adapted, but i expected you to say that, being what you are!!

No wrong!
You are pleased to tell your opinion - but criticism is just a bit more than telling something is wrong. Its a bit more than badmouthing about current situations.
Trading for sure did change. For a variety of reasons. And OP just mentioned - even if he would like to change it. Its currently not possible. And it will not be like CF1.82 has been.
Considering the workload that is necessary to kinda balance something like the market - its something we currently cannot afford.

Do I assume right that you just don't know profitable routes - hence your complaints?

Additionally to this - your critic about someone else's English is also not wise. Forlon is for sure no native English speaker but he tries and that is worth enough in my eyes.
At least he understands some facts - others, well speaking English ppl. seems not to understand

Just accept that we cant change the trading system currently and not in the near future. We all have to adapt our style to make the best out of this situation.
And if you feel you abilities are enough to edit some files, than you may enter the Dev. team and spend your whole spare time to figure out how the trading can be balanced. Now who wants to volunteer?

the problem is not what has been said... the problem is how it was said (thats why the post got removed)

putting that aside i repeat a few keywords of my previous comments

"no"
"impossible to undo"
"not even enough time to do the other modding work"
"countless players with tons of accounts and chars full of money on the server"

so with other words... you do not seem to be interested in what I say... and no matter how many additional reasons i would bring up you wouldnt accept them as they dont satisfy you
guess what... there are also many things that dont satisfy me
- lack of support
- inability to listen
- conflicts between players
- me sitting alone on the chat room last saturday, hoping that somebody would appear to the meeting

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just read huors comment:
every help is for sure welcome and if somebody feels able to work on the market (which has cost me about a month of work last time) ... hey, why not.
but be warned... based on the amount of commodities and the amount of stations and the fact that we using a dynamic economy there are 12.303.200 possible trade routes that you will have to balance by hand (this is btw. the exact number)

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No wrong!
You are pleased to tell your opinion - but criticism is just a bit more than telling something is wrong. Its a bit more than badmouthing about current situations.
Trading for sure did change. For a variety of reasons. And OP just mentioned - even if he would like to change it. Its currently not possible. And it will not be like CF1.82 has been.
Considering the workload that is necessary to kinda balance something like the market - its something we currently cannot afford.

Do I assume right that you just don't know profitable routes - hence your complaints?

Additionally to this - your critic about someone else's English is also not wise. Forlon is for sure no native English speaker but he tries and that is worth enough in my eyes. I was only joking there m8
At least he understands some facts - others, well speaking English ppl. seems not to understand

Just accept that we cant change the trading system currently and not in the near future. We all have to adapt our style to make the best out of this situation.
And if you feel you abilities are enough to edit some files, than you may enter the Dev. team and spend your whole spare time to figure out how the trading can be balanced. Now who wants to volunteer?

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Ok, I will simmer down then.

Perhaps i need to give it a special go, and yes i don't know these special routes you say.
But i am not the only one who has said this.
And as regards to modding myself, you're out of luck, wish i could m8.

Oh well, one has to try, does one.