background to the California / Sol blockade

@tec_cr0w you have it all wrong pal. the blockade is nothing more than a good bit of RP for the BG clan to take part in. because of there role as a millitary clan it is harder for them to find RP that fits with the rest of CF.

there main role is the safe care of new players on the server and helping them get up some lvls in the safty of Custodian, while also guarding this route from all comer.

they close Custo off sometimes to lvl40+ player to help them think about looking for other route to X-3043 and explore the mod more.

the blockade fits for them it you dont put the game into real life. of couse there are no names on the list after all the list is not real, but its a game and as such you can imagine that the goverment agents list is real and could have extreme effects on the running of the millitary (BG).

as for bmg, ships and equipement being moved, Op would never do that as he wants it to be fair for everyone. you must also remember that the server clans pay real money for there systems and should get something out of it, whether thats the control of a ship like the shroud or a peace of equipment needed by others or just a good in-system trade run.

server rules also say that a clan can only buy one system so this would stop a clan taking control of all the "good" stuff.

so please try to have fun with the blockade and if needed hire someone to get you though it (i am avalable ) if you read the role play part of this forum you will see posts from player that have done just this, and made it though.

good luck and good flying

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Originally posted by Gunny
@ Drakon........me killed at the end of a pursuit?? I dont think so m8...never happened. The only time I was killed was when I was docking...called a dockrape AND the culprit paid dearly.

I seem to remember a certain incident in Manchest quite vividly, but surely I could never have bested you at the end of such a short chase... I must have been delirious, lol ^^. Anyway, take care Gunny; we'll miss having you around. I hope nothing terrible has happened and that all ends well. Take it easy and don't worry about us... we promise not to smuggle when Sev's not around.
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I have an idea -- wait for it ---

Why dont we delete the Sol (agents Calif - Sol) run?

It should disperse trading to various parts of Sirius and possibly help ASF/CSF as well.

Just an idea - now tell me how thick I am please:-)

I can take it.

There are countless BMG routes among the already colorful array of regular trade routes. These are the reasons why the Sol route gets the most traffic:

1. It can be done in a train to make huge profit.

2. Few bother to look around for better routes (Gunny, for instance, has a legit one that's about as good).

3. Police don't crack down on smugglers hard enough (if smuggling was actually dangerous people wouldn't do it as much).

4. People are misinformed (they ask somebody for the best route and people tell them that it's this one)

I don't think we need to get rid of the Sol route, I just think people should realize that there are other ways...

I will be keeping an eye on Gunny ....

Just to make sure he does not take part in any .... suspicious activities - if he does - I will inform CFPD straight away .. hang on .

profit?

I only take this route, because I love the "landscape"

Some of the best routes take you through all of the houses and sometimes even the far-flung places you never would visit otherwise. There's plenty of scenery, but do whatever you like

ditto Lance's last post. If the sol run were gone then great BG RP would go with it. Many people have been having great fun with it.

@ Swag, dude there are many other routes out there. I have been in game and watched you try to do Sol run and get killed by pirates. Then you immediately do it again with the same result. Then you post how LP is picking on you. LOL, what did you expect? Hint, Look for other routes. Also we have helped each other with transfers and I know for a fact that you have more credits, weps, and equipment than I do. I can't figure out the logic behind your post. This is not meant as a flame, just trying to give you a different look at it.

@Freelancers If you want to make big $ trading without smuggling, work together. One has a train another has an APC. Many good routes out there without BMG. If Pirates are a bother then call BG or Police clans. Pirate killing is their specialty.
If you want a great fighting ship look around there are many a choose from. My favs are not located in Clan space. And many times politely asking the Clan permission to buy a ship in Clan space will result in a yes response. If no, say thanks anyway. Do some more trading and ask again the next day. Most of the time patience and courtesy will get you what you want. Treat others with respect and you will receive it back.
When you need help ask the Clans, many are very helpful.

But why do you think those BMG`s were made? To smuggle them. Smugglers, Freelancers... sometimes even Cops and Militaries try to get them past the noses of the ppl who are blocking them. If they succeed, they have a bunch of bills... if not - lose cargo and wish for better luck next time. That`s the way it`s played... You can`t allway win. You have to be ready to take even heavy losses. I don`t think the LA -> Sol route should be deleted. And the more ppl use this route the more Cops, Militaries and other ppl, who are blocking the BMG`s, have more work to do for RP. Otherwise there are not many ppl who try to get BMG`s past the blockcade...

hmm, plz don't take my post as if i am having a hard time with cf, i am in fact filthy rich, im actually disgustingly rich, both in cash and weapons. i asked u not to take my post as me being pissy about the blockade, and therefore throwing a fit about it.

rather... my post was supposed to serve as a warning about what possible coruption of clan owned servers will lead to. the idea of a clan owning a server, not just owning but policing admining and instituting there own militant beliefs will lead to corruption, they will rationalize themselvess for months into eveventually leading to complete and total domination.

my post was designed to help everyone whom isnt a bg/cfpd rise up, whats the point in having a blockade if no1 will organize a counter offensive to bypass it, fast is there is what like 10 bg/cfpd and what like 200 of us non affiliated. i see everyone doing 1 of 2 things about this blockade, 1 biching perfusly or 2 agreeing the rp is good for the game, in either case, backing down will lead to bg/cfpd getting larger heads than they already have. this cannot be allowed to happen, i dont mean by them stopping the blockade, i mean by us with 4-5 trans with 4 wings of fighters strategically going into dublin to roll and oposition, and keep doing it, keep those wings with the trains as to provide a fool proof convoy, this will do 3 things

1 make bg/cfpd 20x better fighters (they already dominate) but more cant help, also help there team dogfighting skills

2 help the non affiliates create a working relationship in which will help everyones team/pvp skills greatly

3 help cf become the game it was meant to be, massive 30-40 ship dogfights leading to massive multiplayer battles, this will make everyone rethink there stratagies and tactics and hopefully make cf better because of it, indeed not creating a warlike atmosphere, but a genuine well intended fight between mercs/pirates/capitolists v cops/military

so indeed this will keep the admins/cops/military in check from becoming corupt and rationalizing themselves into creating rule after rule untill the game becomes unplayable, which i have seen in fl as well as css and a2, disprite the best intentions of the leadership

as for the sol route, i haven't done it in a long time due to the fact that i took a few ppl's advice and searched "all reasonably train dockable" places. meaning no dk, nomies, etc... and have in fact found about 5 routes well worth doing, i know of 2 that are totally legal, and bring as much as the sol run, dispite there dangerous nature, and 1 that has bmg's, that pwnz the sol route by at least 8 million per hour.

i have noticed bg clan being increasingly harsh to everyone whom isnt cfpd or bg, when i was cfpd, i nearly had my ass kissed (note i said nearly) now that im not affilitated (for obvious reasons) i see how the rest of you guys live. mind you bg isnt bad at all, quite the opposite, there great for the most part.

my point is....

1 y this run exclusivly?? if there bored they should be monitoring all bmg runs for possible rp engaugements

2 y all of a sudden are they a police clan?? they seem to change roles on a weekly basis

3 y 3 days b4 the blockade, y did i see everyone doing 20 runs a day?? did they in fact have advance notice.. if so, y weren't we all given this notice, so we may have the oportunity to stockpile up some cash?

4 y all of a sudden is no1 allowed to use custodian to get to x3043 faster? or am i just being singled out due to my former relationship with cfpd, which seems more likely

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Originally posted by teh_cr0w
y all of a sudden is no1 allowed to use custodian to get to x3043 faster? or am i just being singled out due to my former relationship with cfpd, which seems more likely

Don`t say noone. Mostly ppl don`t even use the path through Custo to get to X-3043. They know there are other ways too, and try to find them. And if they want, they allmost allways can travel through, if they ask nicely. Ppl below lvl 40 can travel through Custo anytime they want... Without asking. So don`t say noone is allowed to travel through Custo to reach X. Coz they are allowed. They just need to ask. And plz stop posting things like this, coz you are starting to make me a little angry. :\

Clans have every right to be as corrupt and oddly out of RP as they wish, so long as they don't break any rules. If the RP gets out of hand, let's say that CFPD were to take over Dublin for instance, an overwhelming force of freelancers and/or other clans would rally to disband it for their own interests. So long as no single clan or alliance of clans is more powerful than the rest of the players combined, there is no threat of gameplay oppression.

As for BG, they do police RP a lot because military RP doesn't really work without some sort of opposite. Military on this server is police not restricted by the law themselves... perhaps a distant cousin of the bounty hunter RP that takes the form of the merc here. The X-3043 and NY thing is really nobody's right to complain about though. If you ask a BG officer permission to pass you'll usually get it. There are several other ways to X-3043 so even if they deny you clearance it's not like any terrible has happened. I see and understand your concern, but neither BG nor any other of the clans have over-stepped their bounds imho. The only thing that irks me about Custodian is how newer members aren't allowed to wield authority to grant permission for anything. It's hard when you're on at an odd hour and you have to either take your chances or wait a few hours for an officer to show up ^^.

I am not for or against deleting the Sol run - just put an idea out there in the ether for discussion.

I suppose one of things we can do whilst the server is offline to talk about the game and discussion of this sort is usually healthy - as long as people dont get personal.

I for one am glad BG enacted the embargo as it certainly livened things up online.

Once I found out about their plans I did another trade route and then did something completely unexpected - which I found very interesting and got me thinking about alternative strategies - a good side effect of this embargo

Here is to more people doing something similar and I all for 300 Freelancers invading Dublin and putting BG in their place.

As for BG, I dont know of their past or their plans for the future - but for new players - they are a blessing.

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It has come to the attention of the CFPD that Black Market goods have been seen in an abundance in the Sol system. As the means of smuggling these black market goods is through the dublin system into Hyperion there will soon be a blockade in place to deal with illegaly transported goods. I am sure this will open the market for hired blockade runners or escorts. CFPD welcomes the challenge.

If you are scanned with BMG you will be told to drop your cargo. If you refuse this you will be fired upon. Further non-compliance will result in the destruction of the transport vessel.

Hired escorts/blockade runners: Should the cargo vessel not comply with the order to drop the illegal cargo and you attempt to defend them, you will be fired upon.

If you see CFPD in the Dublin system, assume that the blockade is up and in place.

"unofficial CFPD update"

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This was originally posted by me on 5/28/06
some replies were:

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Blocking the main traderoute of the mod could lead to unexpected situations...

by LaserJet6L

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CFPD have no rights to blockade dublin as it is CSF space.

by DarkStalker

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This blockade will not happen.

We will not police this route at all.

It is obvious people do not want to rp and if so, they want to blow things out of proportion.

End of this discussion.

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by Gunny

I then tried to relieve any misgivings by posting:

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Before this goes to far...

The blockade is not there to piss ppl off so please do not take it that way. The posts immediately following the original post by me is what i hope to see happen. Mercs and blockade runners hired to increase the experience of the game. I say to all now that should a freighter come to hyperion with an escort blockade runner, i will be after the runner first, not the freighter. If the freighter gets into hyperion, he/she is free and clear until the next time they make the run carrying BMG.

To all: I personally will stop anyone carrying BMG to the hyperion gate, including fellow CFPD officers.

DarkStalker: I am not rying to step on CSF toes but as a CFPD officer i reserve the right to stop illegal cargo wherever i find it, per my job description.

LaserJet: Interesting is exactly what i am hoping for. The route back and forth to Sol is a great one but after the first 20 runs or so would you not like something to break up the monotony?

There are many extremely intelligent people here that will undoubtably find a way through the blockade. Call it part of the fun, i would.

All in all it is about keeping it interesting. That is all i am trying to do.

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It appears i posted as my commander was posting so i will correct my post.

I am pulling ALL my fighters back to Manhatan, except the one to protect Tarsus. The blockade is over before it began. I apologize to all for trying to make things interesting. Wont happen again.

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@ everyone.....there is more to this than what you are reading here.

I know someone will blow this out of proportion and start a shooting match that will get out of hand or start spreading lies about CFPD did this, CFPD did that. Which we have already experienced.

Afraid> Not on your life. But I will avoid a server wide issue.

here Gunny tries to keep all on the server pleased. Cant say i blame him.

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hmmm
guess what i dont like with roleplay...
there are more discussions about it here on the forum than rp on the server and this sux

even i dislike to agree to osiris but in this case he is right (as long it doesnt contain anything unfair or something that could whipe out ppls existence on this server)

if you want to do roleplay then do but dont discuss about things that didnt even happen yet

even Op pitches in for the blockade.

So this is where the idea started, i guess i am glad to see that someone is continuing on with this even though it was originally shot down by the community. It is a shame it could not have happened 3 months ago when originally suggested but the end result should be the same. People having fun on the server. Hopefully my network will be fixed someday and i will be able to rejoin all of you in space.

hmm, i suppose no1 likes the boat being rocked, or more to the point... no1 likes the super powers to be challanged

ok then

well i for 1 have found many more trade routes that are even better, and have no real benefit in pissing any1 off, so for me this will be the end of the discussion... but i dont want to hear any bitching when after there sick of the sol blockade, and they have completely discouraged any1 from using it. they move on to all bmg's and possibly killing any potential "uber profit runs"

whats that star trek quote... " good of the many outweigh the good of the few" i suppose, but i think the rp would be better for those of u rp fans, if bg and cfpd get at least some challange, cause i know for a fact most anyone or two you find to help you through the blockade will not live very long against a bg or 2 or even sev fix or gunny by themselves. these guys seriously dominate hard i dont see many ppl living a 1v1 or 2v1 with them, hell ive seen guny roll 2 cruisers and 3 VHF's

i said i didnt want anyone getting pissed, talk such as this is good for the community but i suppose...

but mind you... im not against the blockade, im against the way ppl are just rolling over for it:(

ok now its the end of the discussion for me, i will not post any further on this subject

NP cr0w

I have not been on in a few weeks so i have no idea if the idea is being abused or if it is even working as I originally intended. Guess it dont matter much since i cant stay connected for more than a few minutes. Keep in mind the original idea was to make it more interesting for all RPers out there. The smugglers, the mercs, the police, hell even the pirates could get involved if they wanted to. The freelancers would have to hire mercs as escorts through the system as well. The original idea was not to follow the cargo ship all the way to Sol though. If the hired mercs kept the cargo ship in one piece through Dublin i would say they made good on their escape.

PS: every now and then the boat NEEDS to be rocked to shake loose the dust gathering in the "superpowers" collective heads.

Good follow up post Os. Showing the history clarifies this post for many.

I however, am no longer concerned with players position on this server.

CFPD will play its role, to the maximum allowance.

and I will keep trying to breaK the blockade, of course that not without a fight, hehe

mercs and smuglers is our time to make it role.

1. BG is a military clan and our pilots got the order set up this blockade by the BG command
therefore they have all rights to be down there in dublin
its an official BG mission

2. We were pushing RP a little bit and tried to develop it
we involved other clans into this RP aswell
we gave other clans the chance to play their role by paying high amounts of money to mercs

3. you cant blame BG for the fact that BG is that strong
we simply are a very old and experienced clan... we train our members very well (even if it often does take long)... yes we often dominate situations... but if other clans would do harder training it would look different (but again that is not our fault or problem)

4. it is also true that BG is dominating not only in military situations
every1 was wanting RP... every1 was waiting for some1 to start... and since the beginning of Crossfire the clans were look to BG to start things
BG started the RP and others followed
BG started ASF/CSF and other followed
this is mostly because BG has a high respect and experience on the server and we usually dont abuse our powers
the BG members are bound to very strict rules and orders which leave no space for unfair treatment or abuse of powers

5. in the history of CF it mostly was BG who took over the initiative and started new development

6. in the history of CF it mostly was BG which was protecting new players and other clans (power means responsibility)