NY campers

It must be able to kill players in new york.Criminals like H5N1 will hide thier ships there.I hope i be the first who get the lampenladen before my guns

So to sum thingss up I'm seeing two competing ideas here:

1. NY becomes off-limits to refugees, cowards, and becomes a place that you cannot camp or loiter in once you're over level 40. This would prevent the no-PvP protection from protecting players who deserve to be destroyed, attacked, and/or hunted. It also helps prevent serverclans from unethically recruiting people in NY before they become properly aquainted with the clans and their roles, and forces freelancers' and minor clans' armories to be creative and sneaky about hiding from pirates and corrupt traders/military/police.

2. Lift the PvP ban in NY so that it cannot be used as a safe haven. This would carry both pros and cons. On one hand, all of the problems would be solved without having to enforce any new rules, but in retrospect it would also lead to newbies being slaughtered and solicited. SPs would have to be placed in NY to ensure that the veterans don't in any way take advantage of the newcommers.

Do I have it right, or did I miss something? If these are the two dominant ideas, perhaps OP would agree with one of them and apply it?

Well, you might be missing one point. Just leave it as it is and imply people to not abuse the no-PvP in NY. Maybe only SP's should be able to damage people, but that might be alot of coding, but to lift the no-damage is not the only solution. Players here usually have honour, tell them they have been around NY for to long, they'll prolly just leave and think again when staying long times in NY.

Grtz

well in my opinion i think that NY should stay how it is. i got killed twice in NY earlier this year back when damaging other players was possible in NY. if the no-pvp rule is to be lifted as marshall said, there might be some newbie killing when the serverpolice arent around . maybe if there was a time limit to how long ppl could stay in NY over level 40, (like 1/2 hour or something), this may restrict high level players from "camping" in NY for long periods.

There are many senior players trying to get free kills by killing newbies. I have personal experience of that I was a newbie back then. I was attacked by someone who is nearly the best. I ran but died in another system. The guy came back to the place I respawned and demanded that I should launch into space. I remember that after a few minutes a Server Police logged in and that guy went away. New players will be killed by stronger players. The no damage rule is great. I will also say that if someone is bad mouthing someone, the person can complain to a SP. There are 24 hours ban for such violations. I think everyone is free to decide atleast how long they want to be in a system. I sometimes sit in NY and chat with people for hours

btw I am sitting on planet so it will not make a difference if I was also in X - 3043. I still would be sitting on planet.

Is it possible to lift the no-damage protection to players above level 40 in NY? Because that would prevent the newbs from getting slaughtered and it would prevent pirates from camping in NY whilst the police is after them.

@ Lash: Even if we told people not to abuse the no-damage protection of NY, it would be like trying to enforce the no-PvP rule before the protection: the rule would be ignored, unless we have a permanent SP patrolling NY, pirates will still camp in NY.

why not just remove acess to NY to all players above 40 level?

that would be nice

you are kidding m8? like taking london out of england or washington out of the states!! NY is THE central system in Sirius, where new players are met, where ppl chat, a central trade route hub and of course where cowards hide.
thats the thing, the common factor in every response - how do i kill someone that runs to NY? easy answer, lift the pvp rule in NY, or at least employ a no fire safe zone for new players. ppl say that n00bs will be killed, i say that we might have the odd isolated incident for which should be a server rule added, no killing below lvl 40 - bannable offence. easy. ppl can take screen shots to act as evidence. i dont want ppl in CF who think it funny or take pleasure in killing n00bs.
You cant punnish a whole community for a few cowards actions, its wrong, its not down to them. im not going to point fingers and make accusations as to who these ppl are, they already know. and i hope they understand that thier actions are jeopordising everyones fun and freedom on the server.

we must not bring in a rule for access to ny to lvl 40 and under, that is predjudice and discrimination in itself, and places even more restrictions on system access to everyone. which itself is against server rules i might add.
All this CRAP about restricting access to over a certain level is rubbish, its not an option ppl. Hell, we server clans do that because we own our systems. the rest of sirius and altair "belong" to the players.

ppl with stores - keep them in ny coz its safe, lift the pvp rule and they arent. SO WHAT? RP. pay a tax, take a chance or "RENT" space in a clansystem for safe storage. 1 or 2 mil per week/per char? not a lot for peace of mind huh?

LIFT THE PVP BAN AND ENFORCE A PROTECTION RULE FOR LVL 40 AND UNDER.

easy solution to a growing problem of RP cowardice.

i look forward to response. should be fun!

Doppleganger

I think what is beeing ment is that mostly there are alot of people constantly hovering in NY.

Or try to flee towards NY

These 2 points make me wanna say lift the no pvp rule!

But NY is a No PvP system because the new people who come online can make a start without getting blown to pieces by some otherslfkjngpxfljbnlbn

or atleast give SP's the power to blast the campers to another system

or me (<---give me the power i ment there)

I have played no other mods for Fl but CF. I have noticed though that in the regular Fl servers NY is still a PvP zone. Yes, new players die but for the most part people are reasonably polite to newcomers. Those that are not need to be dealt with not only by the server police but also hunted by the role play police. If someone were to contact me in game (yes my connection is fixed and i am back) then I would attempt some sort of police protection for them.

I'm reading all this and realize that it doesn't matter what happens, somebody is going to be upset about the outcome. If things stay how they are, the hunters of cowards and people who want to cause mischeif by killing armories and newbies will be angry. If the no-PvP status of NY is lifted, new players, those who are helping them, and the people who like to take a break from fighting while still in space will be mad. If you ban players from over a certain level from entering the system the bulk of players would be deprived of a core system. It doesn't work when somebody's pursuit for justice and RP can be seen by others as a reign of inescapable terror. As none of these opinions can reasonably morph into a compromise, why not stick a SP in NY to play judge over what's right and wrong? There's usually one there anyway, so the difference would be minimal. That player could make sure that veterans aren't using the system as an unfair sanctuary, and that clans aren't over-soliciting new players. When the SPs speak people either comply or get banned. There isn't a more basic, agreeable solution imao.

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Originally posted by Se\v/
or atleast give SP's the power to blast the campers to another system

or me (<---give me the power i ment there)

No, not just to you

I want to blast campers out of NY too! [50]

[SIZE=3]Power to the Police![/SIZE]

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Originally posted by Lone_Renegade
Agreed, bring back PvP to New York. Too many time have I missed the occasions to make a kill because a pirate ran into New York, then simply mocked me over private chat... [3]

Time to take the garbage out [10]

errr.. sorry bout that mate

In terms of roleplay - it may be a good idea to not allow pilots over level 50 into NY

This would disperse everyone outwards and systems that have no visitors at the mo - like New Tokyo (infact the whole of Kusari space), Cambridge and Leeds etc may become more populated, see mroe player traffic - and the prospects of these systems changing hands in the asf/csf rp more likely.

There are other routes to X303, Texas, New London and Frankfurt and others too.

If clans want to get together and chat and trade and to transfer - they can do that in their home system. People can also chat over the intercom.

An alternative idea would be to prohibit server clans from NY - if for example they are above level 40 or 50.

Anyway just looking at this from an asf/csf roleplay point of view - I have noticed an increased number of pilots loitering around NY on some (some) days - but this has not been a problem for me.

And as far as I can see, there is nothing wrong in running to NY to escape certain death and then taunting your tormentor - sounds like fun!!

well if you are a criminal on the run from a persuer why stop in ny and taunt them? i had the whole of cfpd chasing me around bretonia the other day, they couldnt catch me in my lowly APC!! Gunny eventually got bored with the chase after i made it through bretonia, liberty, rhienland and kusari space(chuckling quietly to myself!), and thats what its about, that IS the RP, thats whats fun! if you have done something wrong, be it asf/csf, pirate or smuggler, then accept the consequences of your own actions and your chosen RP. dont act with cowardice and go hide! And why prohibit serverclans? that means a hell of a trip to get from cali to colorado! anyway that could be viewed as dicriminatory.

Doppleganger

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Originally posted by [K*19]Admiral-(NL)
errr.. sorry bout that mate

Oh its not just you

And you know its nothing personal

On this server its the freelancers that dont have any rights - that has been said often enough.

Dopple your evasions and escapades against our friendly server pirates and law abiding police force are legendary!!

The reason I thought of excluding server clans was beacuse their pilots can usually protect themselves or can get help. Freelancers being chased by deviants may need the safety of NY.

Anyway - this is a good discussion - and a result has been more pilots are aware that they shouldnt 'camp' in NY - is that true?

Maybe this discussion has solved the problem anyways.

i agree that the Freelancers of the server have very little rights and priviledges, which is a shame. As an SP i would enforce any such rules to protect these guys aswell as the lower level players. hopefuly this discussion will get THE point across to the cowards of the server, if i can learn to evade 4 CFPD then everyone else can. sure you'll get killed a few times, you think i didnt, learning to pilot trains, apc's and such ships. even learning you piloting/fighting skills in a vhf. it still leaves no excuse to close NY - the most centralised and important CF system, trade wise at least - to serverclans or ppl over a certain level. thats punishing the majority for the minorities' actions. the fair players of the server need to tackle this issue by acting to prevent it, by KoS of the ppl that constantly use NY as a safe harbour (just an example of a detterant). if the community works together then we have a solution to the problem.

Doppleganger

I think New York should be left as it is and SP's be given the power to kill abusers.