NY campers

I personally keep no ships in NY as a policy, but visit occasionally to plunder its resources. The no-kill rule is a standard practice for FL servers, from what I can tell, and makes a familiar starting ground for players new to the server. I had been killed a few times in NY myself, before the damage-block was in place, but I never felt threatened, even as a freelancer, because most players respect the rules.

The biggest risk is that if the damage-block is lifted, then unscrupulous players may exploit the general rule to kill stores, and steal their contents. There would be no recourse for the victims, and a ban on the offender might be the only remedy, since such people also use F1 to escape justice. But at least, players who are in hot pursuit of their adversaries could in fact get satifaction, even if their target runs to NY. It would be nice if we could get the damage-block to only affect ships under lvl 50, but my guess is that this would not be workable, or would add to the already considerable server load.

So as long as we are strict and consistent about enforcing no PvP for players under lvl 50 in NY, I would be in favor of removing the damage block, to root out the cowardly miscreants who would take haven behind the block...

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Originally posted by Centaurian
So as long as we are strict and consistent about enforcing no PvP for players under lvl 50 in NY, I would be in favor of removing the damage block, to root out the cowardly miscreants who would take haven behind the block...

I agree 100%! Lift the no-damage zone from NY! [8]

rely by oldgit:
Make it experience based
Below level 40 and you can stay and trade and camp
Above level 40 pass thru trade only

reply by Argos:
why not just remove acess to NY to all players above 40 level?
that would be nice

reply by burro:
I think New York should be left as it is and SP's be given the power to kill abusers.

I agree with most of the above. But i feel NY should remain as is, with the exception to players who try to run and hide there. If they do that and they are above lvl 40 i think they should be a free target to the person chaseing after them, all they way into ny.
Do not allow NY as a save haven for runners cause they made someone mad or they are trying to escape death.
As for traders above lvl 40 they should be allowed to use NY as a pass through or to buy or sell goods but not to camp.

One problem i see with not allowing players above lvl 40 in NY, Is for those non clan players who might have a storage or store located in NY for safety reasons, cause they don't have a clan system to keep their stuff in.
But for those players they should only be allowed so much time to conduct business then get out. Lets say like 15 or 20 minutes at the most. That's more than enough time to complete their business and clear out of the system.

Once all chars are made and above lvl 40 they can park them somewhere else, like in California, Colorado, etc. just not in NY.

server clans have their systems where they are relitively safe!!! therefore imo it is ok that NY is peaceful.

as for campers, well, one could lift the no damage zone, but not the rules => if necessary we could kill campers on order, and not campers remain safe

non serverclans should also have a safe system

greets scout

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Originally posted by Centaurian
The biggest risk is that if the damage-block is lifted, then unscrupulous players may exploit the general rule to kill stores, and steal their contents. There would be no recourse for the victims, and a ban on the offender might be the only remedy, since such people also use F1 to escape justice.

I know plenty of veterans who revel in the pain of others. I know for a fact that if the no-PvP ban were lifted in NY my armory wouldn't even survive the trip to its new home. I don't have the time (dozens of hours) to re-collect all of the weapons and unique items that would be lost. I don't even have time to trade anymore to keep my coffers full. If my armory was destroyed not even a ban would satisfy me; I would hunt those who supported the attacker until my chars become bankrupt and then leave the server.

Drakon

BD are friends of UAC, you have a home in Neophobos. take your stores there m8, i will escort you and Lashan. trust me your chars will be safe on the trip

Doppleganger

ive just lost one of my most valued members after he read that post. im very sad to see him go and he will be missed. but UAC are traders, if there is good trade in NY we are going to trade there. period. if any member of UAC get banned for trading in NY, when there is good trade there, ill start deleting MY OWN CHARS. sry, but why should i accept that our chosen RP is being furthermore restricted because of someones elses actions? its not UAC's fault that alot of the time the best trading to be had is in NY. remove trade from NY and we'll stop trading there. its not UAC's fault cowards hide in NY.

Doppleganger

@Dopple

That's a very good point m8. I myself forgot for the moment that there as been a change to the trading system. It's dynamic now...

Is it possible to make NY a non-dynamic trading system with only the vanilla trades available in NY only and the rest of CF dynamic..Maybe that could help.

Oh yeah, Sorry for the loss of one of players. It's always disappointing to lose good players cause of things like this.

I am the member that Dop is talking about , and i am Pissed the way Traders are treated.

And the comment that made my mined up was what Wavey sead -: Clans/Pilots that hide from attack and only ( Trade in NY are the ones causing this Prob ) .
Well i go where the trade is , if its in NY then i go there jf its in NL then i go there or NB , But to be toled that i am camping is an insult to me and all traders.

Are trade has been dramaticly cut since CF 1.7 but we didnt complain we just got on with it for the sake of RP,but since RP the fun for me and are clan has gone from bad to worse , we used to have good fun on the Sol run not just UAC but for all the clans with the blockade .

We had convoys and so on ,fighters to help us we got chased all over the place.
So what do we have now Nothing , who do the Pirates Tax OH i know they can tax them selfs .

Its a pity it realy is , i think CF 1.7 is the best Mod there is there is nothing that comes nere to it.

If you whant to see what happens when you let PVP in NY go to NQ , all the pirates do is sit in NY and PVP with them selfs and Tax them self , because no one goes there eney more.

I would like to think that things will inprove for the better and that CF 1.7 will be the best server on the Net , and i would like to come back if things inprove for traders, you know that Freelancer is a trader and a Merc but it seems there is no role here for both.

I would like to thank Dop for his support i will miss u m8 and all the guys in {UAC} and Sapph and for {UAC} that took me in there clan.

{UAC}RECON

Sorry guys FLANK is an old charecter of mine it should have been {UAC}RECON.

most of the time the highest profit commodities are in NY, i dont know why its just the way it happens. if we can earn more there why would we go elsewhere to earn less over a longer period of time?
traders will operate where there is maximum profit, doesnt matter where that is. that is our chosen RP. if there is trade outside on NY you inevitably end up going through or selling on NY again. trust me on this, ive earned and explored enough in my time here. so its not the traders causing the problems, trading in NY is a by product and fault of the dynamic universe, so we should be left out of the equation.

Doppleganger.

well m8 without broaching other subjects its hard to explain, and there are already threads on the differring RPs. i can say that UAC as a whole is of diminished numbers through numerous reasons i wont go into in this thread. we dont have the numbers to trade like that, unlike BG or IOC. members of our own RP faction are thin and widespread across multi timezones, making it difficult to hire protection. Freelancers are not an option here, sry no offence intended, but i know the level of pvp skills of nearly everyone in CF, and it would be a slaughter. thats not RP, thats just asking for the whole clan to go bankrupt. not everyone can evade the police, military or mercenaries aswell as i can, not being modest, its true. why would i or any other member of my clan wish to bankrupt themselves intentionally, because thats what it boils down to.
UAC does what it does best to make money and prosper in the ways we know how. due to changes in the RP on the server, forcing old alliances apart to form new ones, has left traders in our faction no choice but to make money the safest way we can, be it in NY or the other side of Sirius. but trust me when i say we know the best trade routes. i get members from every clan asking me when they log on where the good trade is today. that kind of thing comes from trust in the knowing that i know my RP better than most. i have 223 bases listed on one of my chars that shows buying/selling prices of every commodity in Sirius and Altair, and it is cheecked every single day.

the last big multiple ship trade i found netted me and 7 other ppl huge profits, and then the super trade routes were removed. the sol run appeared the other day and virtually every player was on it coz money/trade is difficult now. money used to be a lot easier to earn than now. i see many ppl going bankrupt every single day, not like it used to be. i have lost a valued member as he felt the traders are no longer wanted here in CF, our RP is getting "sqeezed out" of CF. UAC are pruely traders, with slight military/pvp inclinations. we want to trade but havent the means anymore, due to other threats from enemy attacks, contstantly.

im relaying my own opinions and that of my clansmen and ex clansmen here. feel free to criticise and argue, pointless me making these posts if you dont.

Doppleganger

erm, I might not know the fine details, but if you're doing a roleplay, you're doing something others can not. So isn't it a good thing the "super"traderoutes dissapeared? and if you want guns or people to help with loading unloading, aren't there mercs for that?

Grtz

maybe the way you are trading needs to change. to take advantage of the super trade runs you need to use a bullpup or apc so you can dock everywhere.

this also gives you a better chance in a fight. 2 UAC in pups aganst most single fighter pilots and my money would be on the pups.

yes we all know the extra profit you can get with the train but the limits on docking takes away too many options of where u can run frieght.

We traders are clast as campers if we trade in NY , campers as far as i am conserned are people who sit outside plants do nothing and spam.

I am not a camper and never will be , i dont go to NY cos its safe to trade there, i go cos thats where the trade is at that time.

I trade eney where, where there is prophit and yes we do have APC and we do use them to to ferry good to stations from trains.

The last one we did was NL to leeds we had APC and trains there ask some of the BG guys about that.
When you are a trader there are three things you need to know about tradeing its called P.T.R ( Prophit . Time . Risk. ) this is what i base my tradeing on.

If the prophits are high T.R can go out of the window because the prophits are worth it.

NY is in the centre of Sirius it has 2 dockable planets and lots of stations bases , there are a couple of other Systems witch are similer but not as good.
So the shortest distance between planets to do trade in a train is NY MH to Pits and back.
So if the trade is bad and it has been at times ,and yes we do look for it, then i will trade in NY not because i whant to or because its safe there.

{UAC}RECON

Gust:
the possibility of hiring others to help out in our trading has been mentioned. due to our factions' players in multi timezones and the very limited numbers of other clans, outside of asf/csf RP, being online at relevant times; leaves us having to trade alone, especially where there are enemy factions present at the same time. this doesnt just affect trading clans, it affects everyone to different extents.

@Carbine
we already trade using these methods where the trade allows, but heres an example: station blueprints, buy on new london for 8819(if memory serves), fill your train take to durham stn in leeds and unload with an apc, selling for roughly 11700. profit for 20 mins = 14.5 mil, split 2 ways = 7.75 mil. Sol run 60 mil (ish) profit 45 mins 1 player involved. plenty of opportunity to RP on that route, i use to love the pirates, police and BG's (ineffective towards me!) blockade. great fun. we practice every trading method we can employ with our resourses and whats available.

Doppleganger