RP behaviour

Ty: I will sum it up quickly. It's because they don't know how to RP and Aurel if using his aurel003 char uses both the merc & pirate license. He is confused to say the least. That same group also sits in X or camps in the Arena until people enter X3043, they venture nowhere else. My advice to you? Just shoot them. Don't tell them why, just shoot them. Many of us have tried to help these "people" out but they refuse to listen.

Edit: Aurelcici003 is a merc char. So he attacked you without contract or a bounty, hence OORP. He also attacks with the pirates regularly and without warning, so be aware of him if you see him in the system..... or just shoot him.

I already explained some stuff to aurel, things he did wrong and was breaking minor server rules, but never about RP since he is not interested in RP as normally he doesn't go out of X.

About the pirates, you are right, wasn't there Forlon between those SA ? (he also uses chars without a "Forlon" in their name) He, as GR, could help you in future cases like this, just report the players to him in private in case he is in battles or such.

This matter was solved in space (later) ... not too much good result. (more in GR section)

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Pirates can attack player as much as they want if he not pay tax. I know that this is not nice, but it is nothing what break rules. Simply some ppl do this and they are most of time in X system so is not big problem avoid them. If there is attack without ask first for tax, then this attack can be (should be) reported and this can be also proved. I understand very well that RP can be done different way, but in each MP game are some ppl who simply like mainly fight and not want much "talk". You can try explain them "different ways" but you can not force them use it.

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... There can be some situation different if are involved sides with "long killing" history, but these usually expect such fight and thus it is not matter for GRs.

Meh, being a pirate doesn't mean being a dick.
This behavior gets old - real quick!

I told you tax 2m, and give request, waiting 10 sec u ignore me and i kill you. If you don't look my request or was in chat that's really "your problem" :)))
And i can't understrand why almost every cop after getting some deaths going to writing about it in forum?><
Let's doing fighting!!:))
We like pilots who take our attacks with honor:))
We're playing not just for the sake of talking, or trade and play. We play for the sake of fighting, fighting and other things.
I do not want to point fingers at certain individuals who begin flame war after death, but it isn't normal on my mind..
PS Respect to some BG's CFPD abd SA memmbers for nice fighting without flame wars i think they know about who i talkin'

Alex_G41: IOC are smugglers, you can get much more fun not killing them asap when not pay tax (and possible also much more moneys with little more patience) ...

... and I know that you like pvp and battles

(IOC)Tyrael: sry, I was busy fighting when I saw your post in system channel. It need more talk when I will see you in space next time. Is many ways how to resolve such pirates attacking situation in RP (we mercs like help ppl out of troubles, but you need shout loud into our ears when we fight )

I understand everything. However, I see that the server is a tendency for pilots to lose interest in PvP. It's very sad. Because in my humble opinion, our server was always full of battles and hard core PvP's.
Then I want to ask people to avoid places of mass struggles. In order to avoid unpleasant situations that can happen to them.
So as a person who is on the site of the battle and is not involved in it, prevents other. This also applies to the pilots who switch to BS because of the failure of in pvp on fighters. BS in mass fight is a very big abuse for ppls.

SImply put, this is not a pvp server, this is an rp server where each role has a responsibility to participate other than sitting in X or the Arena waiting to invade Custodian. It should be a mandate to register in this forum before you can download the game , to read the rp rules.

Create opportunities for rp. Last time I only see forum fighters who scream that bad but they do not appear on the server.
Come increasingly into play, organize caravans, or open the hunt for our heads.
Need to add variety to the game
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I came to the conclusion that some pirates, including me, need to go to the police, because these cops basically unable to keep fighting against the pirates, without shouting about the fact that they unfairly killed or something.

OK ppl, first thx that this thread was not moved to wild discussion. Next to that I want remind you all about few things:

Server rules break: should not be solved here on forum but should be used TICKET SYSTEM (category Broken SERVER rules!). This for next time

All players on server should obey Server rules. If they do this but prefer mainly PvP, then it is theirs decision and no one can force them to do things other way. This works for both side m8s! ... You can be RP professional liking stories or PvP professional using RP rules for searching fight, all is OK ... and both sides should be able accept this. I understand well both sides bcs I myself like both (PvP fight and RP ... and the best if this goes together). Here I also want tell that everyone have right to use any ship he want in PvP especially if this is RP related (like is clan system defense). Crossfire is (as was told above by Gunny) role-play server so also those of you who like PvP (meant as VHF vs VHF ...) need to accept that your opponent can decide play his "own" game how he want this ... if he obey server rules you can dislike his "noob" decision, but you have the same possibilities as he. Using BS in fight IS NOT abuse ... kill player repeatedly bcs he not want pay tax/fine also is NOT abuse ... in all those cases have "defending player" ALOT possibilities how to re-solve this (and this also in RP style and HAVE fun in result!).

If are rules broken (or if player think that this had happen), then player should report it as I wrote above with as much details as possible and next is this job for GRs.

1. as it was said... this is no PVP server
2. it is a RP server
3. to say "Create opportunities for rp" is idiot if every try to create RP is being killed by certain ppl which violate RP rules
The way I see it the RP does not even get a chance because of the people which "just want to fight"
4. sitting in X or arena is no RP... it is camping... so please dont say anything about honor... honor is something different
5. RP does only work if the other RP factions get the equal chance to do their RP... which I clearly dont see on the server as constantly other factions are targeted and driven off the server until just one RP factions is left. The way you RP is destroying every RP on the server. That is a fact.
And infact we have rules against harassment... i am clearly willing to ban ppl which break these rules.
6. Yesterdays bans were justified. There were more than enough warnings over the past weeks.
If ppl can not follow the rules then they will be removed from the server so new players with better behaviour get a chance to join.
7. The server is not your personal playground... you are at best a guest and if you start acting unfair towards others (and infact i got countless complaints from many ppl lately) then I will remove you. Period!

So, how I understand I was banned from this server?:)

you really expect an answer?
seriously there are more complaints against certain ppl than it would be good for them

I dont really understand whats going on in some ppl mind.
Look at the server population... it is dropping.
It does not do that because the mod is bad... the discovery server does not have more players because they have a better server or a better mod.
They have more players coz they have working RP and not ppl which constantly destroy other ppl fun by disturbing other RP types.

If its necessary bans will be done.
It makes no sense to keep a few ppl on the server while they distrurb the experience of all others.

In this case, OP was correct in what he said/done. Forlon missed some bits in the server rules before posting about Pirate RP (mainly for never being a pirate himself ^^).

The Server RP Rules clearly specifies the waiting for an answer part, shooting with no warn or saying "pay tax or die" just before starting to shoot is NOT allowed, except against cops, and IOC are NOT cops.

Quoted from the actual server rules, coloring the important keywords:

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Pirate Syndicate Licence
Mounting this licence and your character becomes a pirate. You make your money through taxation (extortion) of other characters. You offer the character the alternative of either paying tax or being destroyed. Pirates can tax anybody and everybody (except characters under 40th level) police, mercenaries, smugglers, freelancers and other pirates. If they refuse to pay, then the pirate may open fire and attempt to destroy them. A refusal may be in the form of word or deed (running, opening fire or not responding within a reasonable time). [...]

Police are the natural enemy of pirates and as such pirates may open fire on Police Officers at will and without warning. All other players must have refused to pay tax before they can be engaged.

etc

How can you doubt on such clear words ? IF the condition is met, THEN you can start firing. As well as MUST have refused to pay tax before they can be engaged. This idea is repeated twice or even 3 times in the Pirate section.

What pirates call "being a dick" is not only ethically wrong/not nice, but as well against the server rules, and they are NOT new.

That's all, next, the future reports must go on the ticket system, in the correct section, so the GRs can deal with it directly, and without giving somebody a bad fame (which can be unfair in some cases), or allowing fights to start over the forum, and such.

It usually is a bad idea confronting a GR over the rules, what is possible to be incorrect is the situation / case, because of missinformation or missunderstandings.

The fact that this is not a PvP server is what it says, a fact. Want open PvP, with no restrictions, nor nothing ? There are a pack of systems especially built for PvP, the Arena, Coloseum, Cube Arena (for more fancy fights). Everywhere else, the RP rules are APPLIED. FRIENDLY PvPs are allowed nearly everywhere, except NY and certain clan systems, 2 or more players can always agree to fight eachother with or without a RP reason, but both sides must agree for it.

So even though this is mainly a RP server, you can't complain that PvP is hard, or not possible due to too many restrictions. 3 systems where RP does not matter and anyone can engage with no warn. And everywhere else, PvP is allowed when it's agreed by both sides.

Anyway, this about Pirate RP was not the main/only reason for the bans, so saying about not seeing the rules or not knowing about this "detail" will not go anywhere. The ones banned know what they did wrong, even if they ask "Why ?" on here...

Have fun,
-Mike

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So, how I understand I was banned from this server?:)

no, and bans which were done was not originally intended. Originally was intended use fining only and explain what was wrong. There was later few things which resulted in ban.

... and you was doing also good one pirate RP like was this one in Manchester when we had more nice fights (Fallen Mercenaro was also there). Btw you know for example you can ask GR (or also ppl with EM rights) in space about announcing for example that Pirates decided to lock down certain system/base/planet for some period of time and initiate such way fight there? Police or traders can hire mercenaries and try break in .. aaand we have nice battle out of X. Or can be used ASF (or CSF) and start fight using patrolling in contested systems or plan such event or or (many stuff using asf vs csf). From classics RP you can for sure raid clan systems or simply launch taxing action which can easily result in bounties and we have here again nice background for "battle". Is many ways how to initiate big RP fights and have fun doing it. This above was only few examples ... and as I told before, if you will want try some new ways how to use RP for more PvPping, I for sure will support this.