Cloud Imperium Games Hits $30 Million

now they finally can build hangar doors and put ping dices into the ship cockpits

for 30mio$ i could build a real spaceship

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for 30mio$ i could build a real spaceship

ROFL ...

You know.. I totally understand that Mr.OP loves hes mod...The best Freelancer mod btw...but bashing at Chris Roberts at MOD.db...don't really help

I think you forgetting the fact that you are MODING Mr. Roberts Game end to get the fact straight Roberts dint got kick out ...He left The Freelancer project for One reason ...He got tired of people tell him how hes game should look like ( Remind me of some one ells here )
Op talks about how long it takes to release something brand new , when you cant even release a mod for more then 2 years ( ironic )
Speaking of that why don't you Mr. OP create new game , do kick starter end see how you will get 350000 backers end raze 35 mill less the year besides ..just for info.... you cant even launch in space for 30 mill ( cost 1 bill ) end making real space ship will cost you 50 bill $
All i,m saying is respect the work of others just like you like others to respect your work .

Anyhow...I ike to thank OP end hes team for all the hard work end wish this community Happy holidays !

Yup, it totally costs 50 bill $ to make a space ship, totally. (sarcasm)

Stop reviving dead threads though, you're nearly an year late to post here, lol, 1 more week and the thread was from last year.

@ Zee

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...you cant even launch in space for 30 mill ...

what about that Spaceship_One_in_flight_1.jpg ?

and there have been a lot of other, even more "conventional" proposals for about the same costs in the last ... 3 decades.

... and about OP :
Yes, it's a "shame", that he went "only" for modding.
Unfortunatly for us gamers.
Who knows what he would have come up with, if going deeper into coding

Are you guys familiar with Continuum? If not, go and find Freelancer Continuum on Moddb.com

Actually My post was reply for this ...on MOD db

SWAT_OP-R8R Dec 8 2013, 9:20am replied:

(Poetic.

But i stick to what i have said and my words are based on the background
that he was not able to release a successful game in the past 17 years.
And that is not because he did not try... infact he was working on 4
games in that time and he failed... even lost his dev studio.

Next fact which leads me to my opinion is that a release was announced
for next year... and the past year nearly nothing new was produced. The
same stuff they showed at the project presentation is still shown as
"new" and "current" development.

The crowdfunding btw. started with the announcement of the game project
in October 2012 (not janurary) and there it was said that he needs 4mio
... even better 7 mio to get all the additional parts of the game done.
So the question is why suddenly 35mio are needed and why single new ship
in the game costs additionally 1mio$... plus the fact that even when
the game is done after all this crowdfunding the players still have to
pay for every ****.

Btw. no gaming company has thousands of employees working on just one title.

I have a million more reasons for my opinion just like the fact that
Chris Roberts pretty much the arrogance to say that he is the great hero
that will save the entire genre and even PC gaming (yes, that was at
the first interviews)... which is pretty much a slap into the face of
every scifi game developer and modder that kept the genre running while
Mr. Roberts gave a f*ck about it.)

I did not wanted to reply there for good reasons end sins there is non Star Citizen forum here i think this tread was the right one.
Don't get me wrong ... i got nothing agenst OP end the team . I just think That OP know what it takes to build a game from 0 ( us creator him self) end bashing at another creator is just not right. Telling people that mr. Roberts is a failure end scum is actually offensive end don't look god on OP e spatially what hes done for the freelancer community.
I personally like to see Star Citizen succeed end not just cause is Mr. Roberts game... cause Space community is dieing for something new, end something spatial ...end that,s all i have to say about that.
Heck .. if Freelancer 2 is that game i be happy two. I,m a gamier ( just like another 5 mill people) end i gladly pay for a game i like. end just like all this people i don't care who make it. You show me what you got end if i like it i pay for it.. if i don't well.. here comes the next one. Unfotunatly
This is today gaming industry ....peace !

Ok, thx for your 'gamier' opinion. Time to move on No point in more opinion clashes.

sorry michael but there's truth in his words. and don't take his english knowledge in this

That is why, we shouldn't bash his opinion back, such "clashes".

Yep, but this is the free world. Sharing your opinion tho...

I feel all the critic that is voiced against Star Citizen is not that Chris Roberts is doing it. No its the fact that nearly all media was lifting him high enough and spoke he will revolutionize the gaming community. And it was pointed out that he didnt finished Freelancer and some of initial concepts have been reworked and that he is probably not as professional as everyone would see him. I actually think he's just a spokesman of his own company. His or whoes ever team is developing this game and he has been used for advertisement (which somehow did work as one can see by the sums that have been collected). In the same moment where alot of other teams doing work in spare time, reaching also very good results without having the background of the money. And as yet Star Citizen just showed a lot of trailers, a very short demo, eyecandy stuff.

If Star Citizen becomes a major success must still be proven, and if it is, then it was not Chris Roberts - it was his team of great developers, which often is forgotten and just the managers and money giver are mentioned.

Zee: I think there is no doubts that Star Citizen have very good propagation and it was clever move in right time. Starting strategy was good and project used it to climb higher and higher. Problem which I see is, that they got money from many ppl ... and they have ZERO guarantee what they will get back sometime in future. (It is like to buy a rabbit in the bag .. ) I myself hope that SC will be successfull for one simple reason: if this project will fail, then ppl disappointment will be huge and scifi genre, which I like most, will get serious blow and very likely no one will again decide support something like this.

... I understand that you (and possible many others) may not like what was posted on moddb, but on other side it can help ppl to see SC from little different angle and for SC development it can be one from reason to try made SC very succesfull (and prove that critics were wrong).

@ Martind
I agree, that Chris Roberts going sooo public with his project boosted - in a way - a new interest on SciFi games, which may help sales for i.e. X-Rebirth (even though its critics so far are ... mixed) and defenitly helped Elite Dangerous to get off ground, another "big wig" of the genre.
What he has proven is : there is a HUGE market potential for such games - if "advertised" well.
And that's what he has done for the whole genre.

Therefor I disagree on your second thought. If SC fails in being a bad game or worse - doesn't get finished at all ( I DEFINITLY hope that it will be finished and will be good) there are enough others to move on: big names like Elite Dangerous, small names like Limit Theory, mod games .

I,m sure there is lot of people that wish Chris end SC to fail
Heck.... i,m sure there is some people that wish Crossfire 2 to fail us well
You cant help it... there always going to be this people...
End to all of them... is have 2 words...... have Faith

Zee, Im not bashing him I said my honest opinion about this idiotic hype.

I am btw. modding Freelancer the game that was released by Jörg Neumann. Not the failed game project that Chris Roberts started ... the game project which was a click an point space game that he could not really produce.
And looking at the Freelancer that was released I am very glad that the original concepts for the game were replaced with something that thousands of players could enjoy. A game that in its completely redesigned form is being considered a milestone of the genre.

And dont get me wrong... I personally respected Chris Roberts... until the moment he presented Star Citizen... fooled the people with his starting campaign and showed his disrespect towards all the game developers and modders which kept the genre running for the past decade.
Not only that he now tells us that he will save the entire genre... no he also said that he will show that PC gaming is not dead
.... WTF?!??!?
Really? he saves the scifi genre and PC gaming?
Who does that guy think he is?
Maybe somebody should remind him that the last 4 games he wanted to produce were major catastophes.
Starlancer... which was only good for MP and ended as low budged game just a few months after the release.
Conquest... which barely anybody remembers
Freelancer where he got removed from the development process (you are free to call it whatever you want)
and Brute Force... a console game which practically everyone wants to remove from the history books of gaming.

Star Citizen started in the most incompetent way ever... buy showing the inability to host a simple forum/wordpress site.
Plus fooling the players buy creating to tell them that "we will create the game that you want".
There was even a poll where the players could vote for the game type and the way its going to be distributed.
Guess what... the players which voted wanted a different kind of game and a different way of distribution and financing.
But ok... fuck the players... ignore what they want and announce a game concept which was ready for months at already that time.
I call that playing tricks on the players. Period.
Its disgusting.

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All i,m saying is respect the work of others just like you like others to respect your work .

Yeah... thats the way I lost my respect for him.

And then he said he would need 4 mio § to produce a game... better 7mio so he can put in all extra features.
And when the 7 mio were reached suddenly every additional ship has cost another mio$ ... and oh and the player which want to play the game have to pay extra... not to mention that the system requirements would pretty much limit the amount of players.
OK... wtf?
A spaceship costs 1mio$?
I mean a 3d model of a spaceship...hmmm... in that case i should sell a few of my 3d models to him.
Tzzz... 1 mio... for something that a halfway talented modeler could create within a few days.

How much do custom textures cost 10.000$?
I think ive read something about that on the website.
Simple Photoshop work... costs thousands of dollars.
Either the dollar is not much worth lately or the players are being fooled.

And now a few words about Crossfire.
Yes, there was no release of the mod within the last 2 years.
Shame on us that we dont have the source code of the game or the shiny dev tools (which of course would speed up the development).
We are unfortunaly forced to find out first how the compiled game is working which is almost an impossible task.
We dont have the luxury to work with the open source code where we simply could change the things just like we want.
We are also not a company with... dunno 100-200 employees that do all the work for us.
We are just a handful of people which do all the modding work in our free time... which gets to a noticable degree limited by social activities, running a Freelancer server, running this community, running the lancers reactor community, helping other modding projects and running several gaming fleets.

So I am absolutely sorry that it took us (few people) 2 years to create a 6GB big mod while the original developers had only +6 years to create a 700mb game.
I am also very very sorry that we do this for free... instead of taking at least 1-2 mio$ for our work.

(btw. StarCitizen is not something "brand new" its based on an existing game engine... that usually should reduce the costs)

About the own game production, we announced that 1 year ago and even released some first footage from the flight model in a test environment. -> also something that has cost us a bit time with the CF2.0 development (sorry).

Ive not much to say about my space traveling plans... except that it is possible... like several private companies proved in the past year. More I dont really have to say about that topic.

Starcitizen however is a very difficult topic.
The arrogance of its creator... the hype of the entire project... I dont like both.
This hype is dangerous.
Nothing is worse than people spending alot of money and all the years waiting and their hopes into a project without any slightest guarantee that it can be successful.
If the game is getting released and its not the way people have expected it... if it is full of bugs.. if the system requirements are too high... if there is lag... if there are additional costs... if the gameplay is crap.... if there are any problems which could disappoint the players then this project is dead and all hopes of the genre destroyed.
Would these people ever invest into a new scifi game project again? probably not.
The only ones that are on the save side are the developers because they are not working with their own money. Success or failure does not play a role for them... for the next years they have their income no matter if their work is good or a total dissaster.
And guess what... thats exactly the reason why they decided to do this crowdfunding.
No plublisher was willing to support them. A different reason does not exist.
They can take a million and invest it in the game... or they can take that million and invest it in sports cars if they want. There is absolutely nothing that could prevent them from doing so.
If Starcitizen fails the genre for sure will not collapse... but it will take serious damage for a long time.
I am a realist... hoping the best... expecting the worst. Right now I have no other choice to do both.

That such games can fail pretty fast is nothing new. Black Prophecy had a very similar concept and was shut down due to countless of difficulties which I see appearing in StarCitizen aswell. Infact I have asked the devs how they will solve certain problems and never got a clear answer. Fact is... they dont know.

My main problem next to the disgusting marketing and the respectless person behind it is that because of this idiotic game hype where most people dont even use their brain anymore other nice Scifi game projects dont get any real attention.
It is xmas and while getting the last xmas gifts I also took a short look if there are new interesting games.
Surprisingly I found four new scifi games. Cool isnt it?
The genre is not dead. Crap is only that nobody ever spoke about these games (well ok they spoke about x rebirth) but the others were even unknown to me. This idiotic hype about starcitizen leaves absolutely no room for other games to get some attention.
I will buy these games (which btw. were looking great) when the modding madness is over just like i bought nearly every other scifi game that was released since Freelancer (and there were many).
Fact is... the genre is not dead... ive played many great games in the past years and when StarCitizen turns into a major catastrophy then ill play something else.
Probably elite.
I mean... hey ... in less time they produced more game content and a more promising gameplay then starcitizen... and that with just 1,5 mio $.
A good game should never be measured by the production costs.

There never was a hyped game project which ever met the players expectations and most hypes did burst like a bubble shortly after the game release.
This hype to a degree reminds me a bit on fanatism (no offense meant). People want this stuff so much that they blend out everything that speaks against it and ignore every logical argument. The wish and faith is stronger than the facts.

Well, you probably would be surprised how many people think the way i do about Starcitizen or Chris Roberts. I got alot feedback. Many prefer to look for alternatives.

I,m grateful OP for taking the time to reply on this. I guess there is not a easy answer for all this. You got some valid points but also people believe on what they want to believe. I for sure wish SC to surceased so do Crossfire 2. I guess we shall see 1 year from now will SC be The game or another fail project just like Black Prophecy end X rebirth for that matter. I rely hope you are wrong ...cause if you are not.. there will be a lot of piss people that include me .

Merry Xsmas OP end best wishes to you all....

thank you
Merry Xmas