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@(IOC)Horus Hotepsekhemui: thx for your words and will to do something to help crossfire. You asked for donations - http://www.swat-portal.com/php/forum/index.php?page=Donate

... in posts before was mentioned that only vets can save crossfire ... I think little differently and imo ppl like you and others who play for relative short time and love this mod are those ones who can/are able help. PPl who not only talk about helping, but rly do something.

Oh, good gracious...

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"Singleplayers" simply do not give the necessary support as they either dont care enough or dont feel part of something that can cause improvements

Well.. may be I understood something wrong, bu I think you want to create something not alone. Yes, singleplayer can't give enoufgh of feedback, but it depends of goals - you want for feedback or to create it to someone played it, you want to create the community, or want to let people play with only organizing them.
These goals accompany each other. But the whole approach depends from a focus on something of them.

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lets face it
such mods were created for a community
people which want to do something together.... singleplayer is generally the exact opposite of that
the only reason to create a SP campaign in my eyes is to get singleplayers interested in the game and probably curious about the mp features and also to satisfy the mp people which are interested in the reason why their game universe exists in exactly this way

Okay. God knows I did not want to say it...

Just let me remind something to you:
Some years ago (2006-2007) I founded CF 1.6 uploaded on my local server. That was the first time when I played it. I was looking for a local server. And the first reason was - thr local community of a small town. The second - a community of a clan. And the final - most of both of the communitoes had a very bad Internet aswel as a whole town. You can be shure, FL consuming much of the traffic, if ypu paying for every byte you sent. Dial-up Modem or satellite connection just could provide it.
So, I found CF as very very intersting game - many systems, weapons abilities what I never seen before. That was the first and unconditional expectant to be a local server. But has no server. That was the reason to start my "unofficial" presence and my clan next, but I still wanted to make it available for LAN. Despite the complete own grammatical illiteracy, I came in touch with you in order to determine the cause of the lack of a server in the game client.
What is the answer I got then?..

So, the years after, I've finaly arrived. But the rest of my community was forced to play the mods like "Evolved" and "Discovery", just becouse there was provided server. You can hate the "disco" at will, but just face it: 100, and later 400 players of the local network. 6-30 players playing every hour. That was a status of my LAN server from 2005 till 2007. And they did not learned anything about Crossfire, but could. The previous clan community helped the one of the servers to develope and subsequently made the future "AoUCN Discovery".
Now, that network is finally connected to the global, finally, with good connection. But all of the people now playing Discovery just because they don't know anything exept it. And now it is impossible to lure them here.
Becouse there was no local server. Becouse your feared of "nobody cares about".

There is no need to focus too much attention on the feedback, activity and such as this. At least, if creativity is the primary goal. And there will always, who appreciate the true result and play it at least as I do.

that is right !!!!
All PPL in DISCO will use this MOD if they know This MOD !!!!

And .......
this is only my OPINION .... -------------> Almost all PPL in all MOD [especially in DISCO] will use CF mod after CF2.0 release
As you can see ....... Which mod that have AWESOME design like CF 2.0 ???
And .. As you can see SOME Pictures that OP sent to this forum ....
I'm very proud to you who have do a GREAT JOB .... [Especially in GRHAPHICAL design]

Thank you OP !!!
Thank you Vishnu !!!
Thanks you Huor !!!
Thank you Marauder !!!

i hope i can help you all to IMPROVE CF .....
So far i only can INTRODUCE this mod to all of my FRINED
and they will play it

I CAN SEE CF FUTURE

You post make me so HAPPY m8 !!!
You know what word in my mind !!!

i will do my BEST OP !!!
i will help you to improve PPl
And HORSEMAN will make a clan in CF2.0
..... we are four RedHorse,BlackHorse,WhiteHorse,PinkHorse
maybe after we have the clan we will get new member
maybe BlueHorse,SilverHorse,GreenHorse,BrownHorse,YellowHorse,PurpleHorse,OrangeHorse, etc,etc

I LIKW A POEPLE that NEVER GIVE UP !!!!
I'm a person that dont like GIVE UP too
Give up only can make situation become BAD

THANKS OP !!!!

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The problem is that we will never find out how these new features will work if we dont get the support that we need now.

Then just say, what exactrly do you need. You need players, developers? Ok, I know, that I'm not developer, but. As admin in some web-resourses, I can start advertising compaign ("we search for developers"), as many of here present also can. And there is another way - some of the players are present not only here, but also in other FL mods. They can start searching there (or even start re-centralize community of freelancer - why not?).
So, the first thing is - people need to know what they need to do. I mean, people, who want to see the server grow. Becouse saying the problem does not always give instructions to the actions, and some times only makes everyone sad. Experienced on my clan.

So. What the current active people can do? Anyone have any ideas? Suggestions?

short version: play the game, help ppl learn possibilities CF mod. For rp boost will be nice to have again organised active police clan (or group).

... advertisiment is always good

Ok. The way to attract other players I have already expressed, as Forlon too. Others can also use it as the course of actions.
If someone have any other idea about how we can do it - you're welcome.

We'll see, what we can do from our side.

Hi
I think we need to drop the rule about joining a clan as it puts people off.
The rule says if you join a clan then you have to delete all your other charectors and then create a new one with the clan TAG.
I like many others have 10+ charectors / ships and I refuse to delete them just to join a CLAN.
I've been in clans on other servers and loved being in a clan. You can't beat going on raids with your clan mates to another clan's system for a big battle all in RP
On other servers they let you have clan charectors and private charectors.
On Disco you could be in up to 2 clans at the same time and still have private charectors, so when you login you can see where the action is and login to the clan / character where the RP is happening.
This gives more opportunity for RP and FUN.
Example. you log on and there's pirates hanging around in X attacking traders,
IF you have a police character you could change to it, and you could RP police v pirates.
IF there's no pirates but lots of police on the server you could log on in your pirate character an RP pirates v police.
You could still have your official clan charectors as well.
On Disco a good few years back, I was in a Navy clan (and an Outcast clan). Sometimes there was 30 + Police and Navy hanging around New York. If it was quite and not much was happening, A few of us would switch to our Pirates charectors in Gunboats and raid New York.
The amount of RP it generated was huge. The police / Navy would call for reinforcements. Traders and independent police (none clan members) would join in and there was massive RP battles. It got everybody interested and it was a good way of recruiting clan members. That's how I was recruited.
But if they said you have to delete all your charectors you have already before you can join I would have said no and stayed as independent police.
We need to remove any obstacles that makes it harder for clans to recruit new members and retain their interest.
I agree completely with OP it's clans that keep servers going in the long run.

Disco is another things, there are many many factions and is logically to be able to join more of them. Crossfire is 4 kind of RPs, so 1 clan is more than enough.

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Disco is another things, there are many many factions and is logically to be able to join more of them. Crossfire is 4 kind of RPs, so 1 clan is more than enough.

Yes I agree 1 clan is enough here on CF.

But you should also be able to keep some none clan / private charectors that you can play when there's no clan action on the server.

Keep it, but don't say who you are, otherwise is bad for the clan

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I think we need to drop the rule about joining a clan as it puts people off.

reasonable enough.

In previous server, where i've been, there was a simple rule:
In free flight, you can use any character (exept noy your clan tags). But in any public events clan tags should be mandatory. Otherwise, the definition of "friend or foe" is violating.

How can someone be in 2 clans at the same time? Are people that schizophrenic? I mean a clan is not just only a group of players.
Just imaging you are in a pirate and in a police clan, then those two clans fight each other? On which side to you side with? What about quarrels, disputes? In one clan you say it was ok and in the other you say that was crap just to support the clan you are in. That even will not work if your clans have the same RP.

I cant imagine how this shall work - in respect to our clan system. It might work on Disco or other servers - but not here on Crossfire. There are good reasons why we forbid such things.
I admit its kinds complicated to start from scratch when joining a clan - but firstly we have a solution for this (for CF 2.0) and secondly the transfer is doing good enough

Hence i would all times vote for being in one clan only is permitted. Everything else regarding clans not!

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I cant imagine how this shall work - in respect to our clan system. It might work on Disco or other servers - but not here on Crossfire. There are good reasons why we forbid such things.

That's what I meant

Apparently, you never has spies...

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I disagree on this one.
...... during the past 10 years clans never had big problems recruiting, even without shiny features

....and the last months ???

Hi
I'm not suggesting being in 2 clans here on CF as there's not enough clan RP or players.
Also most of the players all seem to be in the same few systems.

This is the only thing I'm suggesting!

One clan here is enough as long as you can have a few none clan charectors on your account to Freelance / Trade and explore and generally have fun.

For info only.
This it what it was like about 3 years ago when I was in a Navy and Outcast clan.

On Disco they have lots of populated systems and those systems where far away from New York and those clans stayed in there own systems unless they where going to war IE Outcasts V Corsairs.

You had Police & Navy v Pirates & smuggler in Liberty systems. You had the French clans in Galia.
Being in 2 or even 3 of the clans worked because they where separate and never really met.
They had pre arranged battles on different nights. These battles where balanced up before they started, IE if there was more Outcasts the Corsairs some people would switch to one of their Corsairs charectors and balance the numbers up. Some nights it was 30+ players v 30+ players.

The next night it might be Police & Navy v Pirates & smuggler in Liberty systems. It was mainly the same players from the night before just in another one of their clans. It kept it interesting and fresh and new players would see the big battles and beg to join the clans.
Before they let you join you had to write a short role-play story about yourself and also pass a test about the server and clan rules. The clans ruled the server and the admin mainly only deal with cheaters / hackers. (This is what we need on CF)

There was very little of the shit we have here with arguments and flaming on the forums. The clan leaders kept that from happening. If you had a problem with another clan member that you couldn't sort out yourself, (which was rare) you reported it to your clan leader via a PM. The clan leader would take it up with the other clan leader and sort it out. If it wasn't a clan member they could issue a Kill On Sight for the offender. A powerful clan can make life hard for the offender and this normally made them behave better in the future .

This worked very well and explains why they still get nearly 200 people on their server at peek times.