What is wrong with US TV?

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  • What is wrong with US TV?
    Every good Sci-fi TV series is getting canceled.


    Firefly, Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis, Stargate Universe, Caprica, Battlestar Galactica, V - The visitors.... just to name a few.


    While BSG, SG-SG1 and SG-A at least got the chance to end their storyline (earlier than actually planned) other series did not even get the chance to really get started.
    Official explaination: people in the us didnt like the series.
    Well, these series at some point arrive in europe or in case of fireplay get published on DVD and suddenly ppl like these series.
    Several of these series got tons media awards such as V - The visitors just to be canceled after the 2nd season.


    And then they get replaced with the next best idea that survives one or 2 seasons.
    Now whats wrong?
    Even good series take time to evolve. Ppl need to get familar with the story and their characters. That does not happen from one moment to another.
    Especially not when the US TV channels broadcast the episodes in wrong order (like it happened with Firefly), broadcast just 3-4 episodes wait half a year and then broadcast the others or even decide to broadcast them at them at terrible times that the target audience is not willing to watch it.


    At many points i dont understand whats done over there.
    e.g. A high class series with good actors and visual effects like "V - The visitors" is getting canceled and replaced by the low budged production "falling skies" that is filled with a weird story, crap actors and medium class effects.
    I dont see the sense. "V - The visitors" was about Earth being invaded by aliens and "Falling Skies" is about Earth being invaded by aliens.
    Do the producers say "aliens invading earth" did not work so lets try it with "aliens invading earth" instead?



    Every canceled TV show means that ppl have less motivation to watch the next one as they expect it to be canceled again.
    If not happened already then Falling skies will be the next dead series.




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  • I assume that the highest value on earth is reason for this. Money.


    V - the visitors were badly advertised - although i did like the web advertisement of the broadcaster much :)
    What they did with the episode was just suicide for this movie. Broadcasting one bunch of the series and the other bunch half a year later. Making people hot to know how it end and then take it away for such and let people cool down loosing the interest or forgetting about it.


    2ndly i would not claim US TV for this. Broadcasters in Germany for instance are not dependent on what times or when the movies were transmitted in the US. E.g. they could have been waited till the entire movie for V the visitors is out. But they didnt and just aid to loose interest. I would love to see national SciFi series - but honestly no one is able to do them in half way good looking style and for sure a good story that will attract visitors.

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  • BSG the only good. Caprica ufff boring stuff with good idea... SGU also boring , cool story but boring... i think they need should be more courageous approach to story and hire better film director.


    PS
    Now zombies ruled. eg. Killing dead people rofl lmao

  • Global f...ng crysis....


    They need ratings, popularity, money - everything. But serious projects usually don't give the desired effect of popularity and specially - the money that at least must to cover the cost of expenses...

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  • Screw zombie stuff, what's so fun at killing something already dead, that you don't go jail for it ?, and apparently they are famous lately, advertisement about zombie stuff and games even arrived here in Spain.



    I really wanted to see the continuation of SGU, the beauty of that ship finding the ultimate knowledge, it started a bit boring but the last episodes (already starting well in season 2) were getting marks of over 9, even over 9.5 (which is very hard to get). But the direct views on TV(in USA) of most of these series were 1 million or under, like SGU usually had a bit over, but sometimes under, and they say it's cheaper making something like Friends, or Doctor House, and get the same or more views than that.



    I'm waiting to see when this capitalism style ends and go like in Star Trek, when people work for the good of others, not with the danger of dieing to make you work, and money dissapear *_*
    We'd actually be in a sci fi movie ourselves, huh ? :D


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  • I stopped watching TV when they canceled SG-U, It was a slow starting series. But being that I liked SG SG1, and SG A. I was very hopeful that this would go a lot further. And they aren't even going to make a movie finishing the story..


    Since then, I have replaced most TV time with watching Doctor Who.

  • I agree with Huor!
    Main reason are money and interests!



    Fortunately my cable provider has SCI-FI channel and AXN so i am able to follow most of these which OP mention, just to name it few...SGA, SGA,SGU, BSQ, Star Trek, Eureka, Wearhouse 13, also there are some nice Epic fantasy series...



    p.s.

    Did i mention anything about old seasons? ;)

  • but they dont replace those series with ones that get them money... they produce new ones that they cancel


    personally i liked the beginning of SG-U much more than the 2nd season... that was more about conflicts within the team and not about aliens that first want to learn from the destiny and then suddenly even cross the distance between galaxies just to leave at some point again to be replaced by drones which appear in every damn episode "yay we have beaten them,..." "no we didnt, they are back"

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  • Must be some politics then...who knows maybe "they" don't want to make us ready for first or second or maybe third contact -j/k ;) and my favorite is Star Treak serial, I grew up with this, also i would like to see UFO again, and Blake's 7, far more realistic in describing humanity and our bad sides is BSQ...

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    Main reason are money and interests!


    Reminds me one old phrase, may be russian, may be not, but...


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    maybe "they" don't want to make us ready for first or second or maybe third contact


    Actually, 2011 is known as the alien year. Things are just pointing more at that :P Since avatar at teh ending of 2010... more and more alien related movies and games appeared.

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  • All the good SciFi movies have been made already. Ok there are place for others too but the margin is very thin (or close). What shall they make what not yet has been transmitted? I mean all pixels of the universe are covered meanwhile and its really hard to make something interesting new that captures a lot of people.


    People tend to see more realism, stories with "real" background or better said forecast. For instance i loved the story of "Sunshine" where earthlings tried to recover the health of sun. I am not sure to have seen something before. And i think thats one part of the cake that makes it hard for scifi movie makers. Make something new and realistic that hasnt been seen already. The more i like documentations about our "real" environment - around us little grain of dust - the earth :)

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  • i disagree here
    that arguement does not really fit in my eyes


    e.g.
    music is known for thousands of years
    composers know every notes... and every years hundreds if not thousands of interesting compositions are being created

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  • Ok i tried to run from this explanation, but it catch me behind the corner...
    Imo answer is relatively simple.



    We live in the new movement!


    How it will be called, should be a task for future generation to name it.One for sure, this is a period where humanity lack in creativity.
    Life tempo is that fast, that most of us have no time to create something which can be valuable for further generation, in one word humanity is in the constant fear like state.
    Where fear for "bare existence" take place, there is no room for creativity and for thinking of course ;).
    Who is responsible for this global picture which were created for us? Of course, mass media, which are tools in the hands of powerful, let me add and sick ambitious ppl.



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    All of u must remember from school, for example, Gothic, Gothic back, Romanticism, Italian Renaissance and so on.
    Here is the list so u can create a picture in whole.
    Take a look at duration... e.g. Gothic 12 th-16 th and
    Photorealism: 1960s and 70s... :S





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    Art Movements Throughout European History - Presentation Transcript
    Art Movements Throughout European History Andrea Cabrera Mrs. Davis AP Euro, Block 3 2008
    Timeline Renaissance Realism Impressionism Rococo Baroque Gothic Cubism Neoclassicism Romanticism Post-Impressionism Futurism Fauvism Surrealism Abstract-Expressionism Op Art Pop Art Dada Mid. Ages Expressionism Photorealism 1000 1400-1500 1800 1700 1600 1900 1950
    Middle Ages
    Themes : Feudalism, Roman Catholic Church, Crusades, and the Battle of Hastings
    Characteristics : Elicits fear, guilt and piety
    Areas of Influence : Italy, Constantinople, the RCC, Monasteries
    Word Association : religious, iconic, transcendental
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    Gothic: 12 th -16 th c.
    Themes : Focus on God and His glorification, and the end of the Crusades
    Characteristics : flying buttresses, dark monastic buildings
    Areas of Influence : developed in France, then spread throughout Europe
    Word Association : dark, detailed
    Gothic Back
    Italian Renaissance: 14 th -16 th c.
    Themes : Individualism, worldly experience
    Characteristics : classicism, perspective, human figures, and myths
    Areas of Influence : Venice and Florence
    Artists : Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Raphael, Titian, Bellini, Brunelleschi
    Word Association : “man is the measure,” secular, individual
    Back
    Northern Renaissance: 14 th -16 th c.
    Themes : salvation and religious piety
    Characteristics : movable (triptych) and produced copies by the printing press (right)
    Areas of Influence : Flanders and Northern Europe
    Artists : Durer, Bosch, Van Eyck, Brueghel, Grunewald, Holbein
    Word Association : religious, Christian Humanism
    Back
    Baroque: 1545-1715
    Themes : “Return” to the Catholic Church and the power of monarchs
    Characteristics : mystery, dramatization, bold
    Areas of Influence : Spain, Rome, Middle-class Dutch
    Artists : Caravaggio, Bernini, Bruegel, Bosch, Velasquez
    Word Association : “sexy,” Catholic Reformation, Council of Trent, monarch
    Back
    Rococo: 18 th c.
    Themes : Extravagance and wealth
    Characteristics : appeal to royals and nobles, light, and ornate
    Areas of Influence : France and Austria, Versailles
    Artists : Fragonard, Boucher, and Watteau
    Word Association : Frivolous, ornate, self-indulgence
    Back
    Neoclassicism: 18 th c.
    Themes : Return to classical antiquity
    Characteristics : Formal, imperial style and imitation of Greek and Roman art
    Areas of Influence : mainly France (Napoleon, right)
    Artists : David and Ingres
    Word Association : Napoleon, Greece/Rome, imperial
    Back
    Romanticism: 1780s-1848
    Themes : Emotion, passion, and revolution
    Characteristics : passionate, dark color and a return to nature
    Areas of Influence : France, England, and Spain
    Artists : Goya, Constable, Delacroix, Turner, Gericault
    Word Association : emotional, loss of youth, mysterious, passion
    Back
    Realism: Mid-19 th c.
    Themes : Rejection of Romanticism, and the depiction of everyday life
    Characteristics : subjects were common people and landscapes
    Areas of Influence : the Dutch
    Artists : Courbet, Millet, Daumier
    Word Association : reality, everyday, revolution
    Back
    Impressionism: 19 th c.
    Themes : fleeting and brief word of a first impression based on light and the sudden moment
    Characteristics : short, choppy, light brushstrokes and en plein aire (outdoors)
    Areas of Influence : France
    Artists : Monet, Renoir, Manet, Cezanne
    Word Association : vibrant, little detail, light, glimpse
    Back
    Post-Impressionism: 19 th c.
    Themes : represented impressionism, but rejected its limitations
    Characteristics : studied depth, sometimes more detailed than impressionism
    Areas of Influence : France
    Artists : Cezanne, Seurat, van Gogh
    Word Association : depth, structure, pointillism (next slide)
    Back
    Expressionism: Early 20 th c.
    Themes : Indebted to Freud; analyzing psyche
    Characteristics : dissonance in color and perspective, and messages of anxiety
    Areas of Influence : Germany, Spain, France, Russia, Norway, Holland
    Artists : Munch, Kirchner, Kokoschka, Beckmann, Van Gogh
    Word Association : anxiety, Freud, dark
    Back
    Fauvism: c. 1905
    Themes : Color was the main subject
    Characteristics : color takes importance over lines or subjects
    Areas of Influence : France, Dutch
    Artists : Matisse, some Van Gogh
    Word Association : COLOR
    Back
    Cubism: c. 1910
    Themes : synthesized view of subject, represented some African characteristics and new theories (relativity)
    Characteristics : fragmented subject, cubes
    Areas of Influence : France
    Artists : Picasso, Braque, Leger, Delaunay
    Word Association : angular, fragmentation, square (as in the shape)
    Back
    Futurism: Early 20 th c.
    Themes : speed and power of the machine , restlessness of modern life
    Characteristics : subjects of modern life, depicts speed
    Areas of Influence : mainly Italy and Germany
    Artists : Boccioni, followed by Balla and Severini
    Word Association : speed, machine, industrial, urban
    Back
    Dada Art: 1915-1922
    Themes : focus on the absurd, reaction to WWI
    Characteristics : techniques of accident and chance creating art
    Areas of Influence : Switzerland, NYC, Paris, and large German cities
    Artists : Duchamp, Arp, Ray
    Word Association : ready-made, absurd, illogical
    Back
    Surrealism: Late 19 th -20 th c.
    Themes : expression of the imagination in dreams, lack of reason
    Characteristics : incorporated ideals of Freud and Marx
    Areas of Influence : Norway, Holland, Spain, Germany, Spain, France, Russia
    Artists : Dali, Magritte, Delvaux
    Word Association : dreams, subconscious, illogical, out of hysteria
    Back
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    Abstract Expressionism: 20 th c.
    Themes : nonrepresentational, shape, line, color
    Characteristics : planes, shapes, and color
    Areas of Influence : US, many immigrants from Europe, shift from Paris
    Artists : Pollock, Rothko, Kline, de Kooning
    Word Association : ABSTRACT, subjective interpretation
    Back
    Pop Art: Mid-to-Late 20 th c
    Themes : bitterness out of WWI, pop culture
    Characteristics : Random objects, use of dry humor
    Areas of Influence : US
    Artists : Warhol, Odenburg, Rauschenberg
    Word Association : post-war, everyday objects, iconic
    Back
    Op Art: Mid-20 th c.
    Themes : geometric abstract, illusion
    Characteristics : patterns, lines, checkerboard, circles
    Areas of Influence : US and throughout Europe (next slide is in Hungary)
    Artists : Vasarely, Riley, Poons
    Word Association : optical illusions, patterns, playing with the eye and mind
    Back
    Photorealism: 1960s and 70s
    Themes : depiction of photography, interpretation
    Characteristics : painting of a photo, should look like a photograph
    Areas of Influence : US, Britain
    Artists : Estes, Close
    Word Association : photo, everyday streets or objects
    The End!!!

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    Imo answer is relatively simple.


    Riiiiiiiight... relatively... heh
    you even arrived to double "back" in the history line ^^

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  • too much to read

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  • OP you have nearly the same related to sound or music. Is there really much that hasn't yet been composed? How often nowadays you think - moment - i have heard that piece already. For sure there are still parts that can be made, that not have been shown already. But people loosing interest if its every time the same.


    And more likely people in times where everything develops fast are not interested to learn about half a season how everything is connected with each other. It has to start with a big bang - and it must end with a big bang. The better if you do this just by 3 or 4 movies of one series ;)

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  • Reading the second line...

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    One for sure, this is a period where humanity lack in creativity.


    Creativity and capitalism's limitations with money are different things... I mean, I don't think people are more stupid (as they appear) in the same years when there's a crisis going on. If there are no cool new creations, is that they can't afford making them as good as they should, and neither get teh support for improving it with time, as he dissapears right after the beggining.


    Seeing the entire paragraph, I see what you mean. But if people would had time to work on what they are good on (creative, skillls), instead of being occupied by surviving and making more and more money... things like Avatar are already part of the history, it already appears on the books of top sold discs, blurays, tickket movies, fundings, and Avatar 2 will be another hit. But he took 3 years to make it, not a week in a studio with a team, to make weekly episodes.

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  • of course I hear from time to time stuff that ive heard before
    but it surprises me often enough how much new 8 or more notes can create


    and in case of science... we know almost nothing yet

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    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


    This is ten percent luck,
    Twenty percent skill,
    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will,
    Five percent pleasure,
    Fifty percent pain,
    And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

  • I agree!
    Nevertheless i tend to believe its not entirely because they dont know how to tell good stories. They simply dont get the time to tell. And with that the money that stands behind it plays a much bigger role than someone might expect. Unfortunate. Probably they should get away from super effects - sure thats the stuff people also want to see. But if they would learn to tell properly stories then i think people would be interested to watch them. And for sure they should broadcast them in times where normal working follks might follow them. Better advertisement and plans for broadcast should be made. Better plans what to do with the available money :)

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