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Clan wars are always the most entertaining part of a space flying battle simulation, but real wars, not like GO? UHM... WAIT, CIGGY... OK GO NOW^^, but the real deal, a lot more strict ships and equipment restrictions for players (meaning restricting shields, ships etc. ONLY to friendly clans, if anyone wants to get any of those by force entry and purchase that player is risking an open war between his clans, or is provoking retaliation from entire clan whose territory the player invaded, simply by plundering the NPC there, or worse, by equipment/ship purchase)

This is why I find clan system placement crucial for real server activity

f.e. pirate clan has access to a better shield, whilst a police clan has got a slightly faster/better ship/weapon on their hands, those can only be officially exchanged via daily/weekly clan meethings organised by event managers

Event managers dont only have to organise pvp events, it can also be diplomatic space meetings, technology trading etc.

The options are numerous

you mean system that can be conquered like ASF/CSF for regular clans ?

But rented systems are untouchable !!

clans are fighting for increasing their "power" so trying to take one system and convince its population to fight along their side. It would perfectly fit to the factories idea... the rented systems should be the last and untouchable resort. There should be at least one system where clans can do their stuff.

Not bad (brainstorming while installing CF 1.82)...

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what about allowing clans to own more than one system but they have to fight for it? (just an idea i am carrying around with me several weeks meanwhile)

Yeah possible - but not at CF.

I have had some experience with this on the SW:WT server. They have a "conquering model" but it is kind of complicated (waves of attackers, alot of pre-determined planning,. no room for tactical approach)...Moreover, the conquering of a planet/zone could happen in one day, this meaning of course that not everyone could attend the battles.

There are a couple of problems that we should keep in mind when figuring out a "conquering model", among which are:

1. People have to be able to attend it.
2. It has to be properly advertised so that everybody knows what's coming.
3. There have to be Rules of Engagement (our ASF/CSF would be perfect, with a few minor changes)
4. It has to be transparent, so that nobody takes advantage or contests it without an actual motive
5. It has to be "lucrative", people have to gain something by seizing a system and lose that advantage by losing the system

...and some more that I cannot think about right now.

We could set up a "brainstorm" team and kick off a project like this, Crossfire Conquering Model. I am sure that in about 1 week we could come up with something easy to use, fun generating, tactical and RP-inducing conquering model.

I would suggest that we do not tackle systems right now...maybe it would be better if we could conquer basses instead (planets, stations,everything dockable)

Benefits ->
1. being able to enforce a monopoly on whatever bmg that base sells, in that system and those in the immediate vicinity (jg/jh away)
2. being able to control the areas around the base (20 or so km) -> if the base is near a tl, then the owner of the base should allow free passage to everyone but the people/clans hostile to it, no need for permission though because some areas would be heavily transited

Publicity->
3. Any conquering process should be properly advertised at SWAT 1 full week before it takes place (so that people could make time or know when it will be) and if nobody opposes it (with a post in that topic) until the attack begins, then the system is conquered.
4. The conquering process could take place under the ASF/CSF ROE, with the noted exception that everything transformes from "one system" to "one base" AND that if the attacking clan does not "own" any base within that system the attack would have to "spawn" from one system away, if not from the base that they "own" (beach-head)
5. After a week has passed since the SWAT post relatingto the conquering of a base, the attackers should warn any one member of the opposing side via in game chat, takeing a screenie with a time stamp. If nobody comes to defend the base within 10 minutes, the attacking party can proceed with the attack and points are scored according to ASF/CSF ROE.

Battle->
6. Following the ASF/CSF ROE for one full week from the moment the attack begins.

Limits->
7. The "rented" clan system cannot be conquered but if it contains more than one base then that base may be conquered, PROVIDING the fact that the attacking clan owns all of the basses within an immediatly neighbouring system. (the aim here is put a strategycal dimmension to CF, because a clan in this situation would immediately either expand in the other direction or chose a diplomatic path to a truce)

Also, please note that according to this model, clans will not be able to spread as they will...they will still have to defend those territories. This means that if one clan extends its territory too much so that it exceeds its resources that clan may not be able to defend it. Also, it would stimulate a strategycal RP in diplomacy and forming Alliances and Treaties (i.e The Universal Police Treaty, etc.)

These are a few ideas that I could throw but we can develop the concept and make it our own Crossifre Conquering Model.

Addendum -> we could use the Autoreferee to score kills within the disputed system (but a victory should only win the base claimed) by using ASF/CSF like Attacker/Defender. We could use it like this now but in the future maybe it could be changed to Attacker/Defender. ASF/CSF roleplay would take place every day anyway...:)

The clan Wars event would need an EM outside of any clan.... unless the EM CAN participate in his own event

The Coloseum rings race (not things) is randomly made by some people...I ahve a racer char dedicated to stay always at the Ring no 1. Anyways I can easely manage that one.

All other ideas look cool tho Even some aren't really new.

@Steph

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Limits->
7. The "rented" clan system cannot be conquered but if it contains more than one base then that base may be conquered, PROVIDING the fact that the attacking clan owns all of the basses within an immediatly neighbouring system. (the aim here is put a strategycal dimmension to CF, because a clan in this situation would immediately either expand in the other direction or chose a diplomatic path to a truce)

I (and not sure if others who pay real $ on a system will) will never agree on loosing what's inside a 'rented' system, it's rented with all it has inside, and as all clans have only 1 (or 2) links mainly only to X3043 system (which can't be conquered ? or it does ? ) a clan can easely own a neighbouring system to the ones in X.... Also PX would have advantage on this as they only have 1 station, and are the ONLY in having only 1 station, (maybe) that's why it was even made Why not 3 bases min.... or more.... but anyways a rented system has to be untouchable, else the clan leader can easely stop paying for something he anyways don't own.

Edit: Imagine the inactive clans like IOC or BG or LP, or with too few members active like IOC , DC or CFPD(even we have 2 'top guns' active) or the active clans with many new (unskilled) players for example UR... they do have their leader quite skilled, but except him... and ofc any clan could 'abuse' on their systems as they want. This is a "No Go"

What you mean, that it won't start until even SZ come back active ?

Or it will start only for the active clans, not counting if the members are newly recruited who don't even have a fighter char ?

The rented system's can't be touched at all, system rules and payment aren't for nothing.

Yes, all the problem here was about the rented systems possible to be mostly owned by other clans, which isn't admittable.
If DC can't loose their Tekagi base, or SA their GMG gate, and neither any single item in teh systems the leaders are paying for, then noone rlly has problems with it. If a clan isn't active, they can simply keep their own system as until now... instead of being 'abused' by some more active clan

Yes, agree on that

What I told was about point 7 from Steph's Clan Wars event (which I quoted above).

I agreed on all you said since the beggining about the events seeing no possible problem that somebody could have with them atm.