I'm not going to contribute to flaming this thread...so I'd have to respectfully ask that you keep it simple.
Server situation
- SWAT_OP-R8R
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if I remember two years back we still had troubles around, i cannot remember to have seen so many BGs around that it would have exceeded the amount of allowed group chatters. We had other problems to solve and we had insults as well. We had whiners and accusers - same as today.
BTW - where are all those BGs now. You left Spiky alone on the server - come back - fill the server with BG - have fun again. With 40+ players all playing stucked on the rules and having so many laughts.
I think this sounds like a fairytale. Playing on an international server with so many cultural differences means always to have some quarrels. I doubt that this ever will be different - no matter what actions are taken. Only closing the server will bring you peace and silence for "all shit" that is going on.
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I'm very surprised you don't remember the amount of players on back then Huor, i can safely assure you BG did have to many players on to be in one group, as I'm sure players like Laser and Flyin SI and even OP can confirm.
but other than that i totally agree with you Huor
Anyway i'm going to pop on the server for a while now, so if any of you would like to blow me to small pieces please join me as i could do with some training lol:)
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Three Sites of a thread, nothing changed - but ppl start to insult each other (I don´t mean the funny little dark cloud thingy) Welcome to CF.
So it will go this way:
1. Silence,
2. in the backround ppl start mixing RL and the Server Life again,
3. ppl. will get angry,
4. ppl. will start fighting here or somewhere else but not at the Server,
5. hostility again,
6. it will come to swat somehow
7. OP will make the next "changes"
8. ppl will ask why, oh and no
9. ppl will make some suggestions
10. suggestion will not be heared
11. Silence.repeat it from 1.
We are btw. at Stage 2. (for those who don´t know it) again - so no need to change anything - just remain where you are, go and make it all from the beginning again - this server don´t need any players
QuoteOriginally posted by Daywalker 28.10.2009, 10:15 AM
probably, lets see where it is going to when i don´t answer this anymore...Let me additional quote an old friend here:
Quotewasn't that long ago you wore the BG badge and always spoke in a friendly manor and rarely had a bad word to say about anyone, back then i considered you a friend on Cf and one i respected.
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Words for good, for fun and more wouldn't work here if there are just few if not one... I prefer continueing on my "acting" than words on forums. As people who post here, makes an entire text thinking before posteing, for their purposes, to good, neutral or whatever. A simple chat, in-game or anywhere, would stop people from thinking on how to hide their reasons or problems before talking, and maybe discover something different/new at the other one, and change his and their opinions.
Give it another try at the situation ! You will do nothing to solve or remake things that happened in the past with others and with the server(as it got more... empty few times). It's like your friend got punched hard, and you go hit that one for revenge. Would your revenge help with something real your friend except pride, or dignity ? Your friend would still have his mark of the punch... that dissapear/gets cured with time. If you continue hitting, they won't dissapear/cure.
As you can notice, the server's hit gets cured (the one of lost players, and fun, and so on...) with new players, and I made some others that likes space sims like this to know about CF mod. But stop hitting the server more... by hitting it's players.
STOP ! And let it cure, and reborn, with each new player, each new member, the clans and server gets bigger, in group there is more fun, better battles... etc,etc,etc. -
My Space Lawyer comment was not directed at Stephanov, it has been a term I have used for quite some time, even in CFPD and while in r39. So I don't want to hear I insulted anyone............but, I am not taking the insults any longer, trust me.....and Im not leaving either. Figure the rest out.
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Then, since i'm in one of those clans you didn't mention as being capable of learning from the past, i want to know exactly when and how TRF fucked up.
Example and facts. Please.
Really, OP, i beg you to tell me now whether TRF caused this trouble we have now and back it up with facts.
And if you can't, stop that crap.
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He didn't had to say all clans, and exceptions as there are many... he just pointed at the first 3 clans as being the less conflictive ones. Not that ALL the newer clans made problems... just newer clans in general imo from his words... as there are also Fallen, IOC, UAC, H5N1, MN, SL, PHQ, MW and other clans that he didn't told about.
And I also see this thread got populated... 9 players reading it now includeing some BGs. Means people want to stop $#¡t and solveing theese conflicts as soon as possible, by any way while they still can play CF.
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Agreed Micheal
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ok unless OP says who it is dont worry about it it wasnt directed at you .... this is what he is talking about that imedeate jumping on the defensive about things stop its a game guys supoose to be fun hello but i can tell you this if you think one person can f*** the server than you are insain and please unless you are named then relax its not easy to play when everyone plays the blame game and im tired of hearing about it this is becoming to political ...we need to return to the game ok thats what the whole thing is about getting back to the game..
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Lucy calm down
Its not only TRF^^And OP - as you already mentioned currently there are the less old players on the server, the old ones who could guide with experience. I only can remember Gunny, Privateer and Hägar from the old players. There were a lot more, sure. All i witnessed in my times as leader of a pirate clan is that whenever we created some fun or RP the players soon started to whine. Invasion of clan space or killed train, stolen ships a lot more. Meanwhile the founders of TRF and the majority of my members are playing something different than CF. Reason: They couldnt be really pirates.
As much as you're proud of BG - I am of TRF, Daywalker for PX, Gunny for SFP and Hägar for DC. I dont know much about what happened before TRF times, but you already said that after the chaos wars everything started to get out of order - probably the first time you could have started to act.
And finally i dont grasp where is the difference in more communication and the risk to interfere in clan relations. I meanwhile think - why to care about anyone else. why to care about PX, why about SFP, why about BG, DC, LP, SMG. I rarely remember anything having gotten from those clans at all. I dont want help from anyone - and rarely remember to have gotten it in the past. Clans whos pride is such high shall remain lonely - pride to have regulations not to pay tax (valid for the entire clan). There wont be any agreements or code of conducts with other clans from TRF side.
Edit: Getting back to the game dont change anything. Because there is the origin of all the problems.
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Seems some people here has their attention and shields up. Any possible word that could possibly get directed to them, is an attack and demand replyes, reasons or other stuff...
And it's not good. Some may feel guilty for something, some may feel attacked, or both, but you(anyone) shouldn't have the problem detector so efficient to see problems where there aren't heh. -
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Originally posted by Gunny
My Space Lawyer comment was not directed at Stephanov, it has been a term I have used for quite some time, even in CFPD and while in r39. So I don't want to hear I insulted anyone............but, I am not taking the insults any longer, trust me.....and Im not leaving either. Figure the rest out.*hand in the air like a student* OH, OH, OH... can i guess? pick me, pick me!
how about we meet in-game and everyone can...
"SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!!!" *in my best Scarface voice*
how about we stop all this talking and start shooting?! cops vs. pirates
pirates vs. cops
mercs vs. (whomever will pay them enough money!)shall i go on? why is everyone forgetting one simple fact? THIS IS A GAME! now, man your cockpits, undock and let's get this game on already!
meet you in space! if you have the balls of course. [1] (except Lucy, u can use anything else you have two of that dangles). [8]
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heh, nice one, and nice smilie at the end... but the people who dies or loose in that fight shouldn't get angry or go for unfair revenges else han tryign to kill them again.
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What this server does not need is additional rules or honor codes.
What this server does need is to enforce the existing rules and an easier way to use a wide screen monitor.
The vast majority of bullshits start because someone feels they were insulted. Server rules prohibit insulting others. The people responsible for enforcing the server rules need to do their job or be replaced. Sorry to be brutally honest but these facts are obvious and undeniable.
Enforce the server rules about insults and 90% of bullshits will end.
The only rule I would like to add to the server rules is: accusations that cannot be proven will be considered false and punished by a short term ban; or a long term ban if it is continued by the same person. Repeating an accusation that cannot be proven will be punished in the same fashion.
Banning for rules breaking may result in fewer people playing, but insults and false accusations also result in fewer people playing. The difference is that the banned people will many times play again after the ban, but the insulted and falsely accused many times leave for good.
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Every cloud has a silver lining.
Last night and the evening before that, 30 players online (approximately).
Pirates still tax, cops still patrol, and mercs still hunt those few bounties. Events are played, Arena is used frequently for practice by everyone, and there is an increase in noob count, and some older players come and play...
So, it's not all bad.
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Originally posted by SWAT_OP-R8R
...Every time i dont point the finger to ppl directly (for the fact that it doesnt serve anything) or once i name a few but dont mention others these fucking assumptions appear.Thats common sense OP. Once you say all are guilty - all are guilty. If you name a few who did good then all not named are doing bad. Thats logic. If you want that people understand that "shit" you should criticise directly. I learned in a rethorical lessons once: If you criticise someone else - do it directly. Everything else will fail. BTW thats currently happening here.
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I feel like in a kindergarden where everyone starts crying once ive taken care of somebody else.
I am sick of that shit.
You ppl have learned nothing and you are not even willing to understand.That depends on what we are supposed to learn and understand. Lucy and me are "crying" (justified).
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I doubt that anyone of you understand what i wrote last night.It contains the same content as yesterday evening: You are the founder of BG - everything was really OK. By the time it got boring and other clans were formed: LP and DC are one of them. All played nicely and were happy. Then there was a chaos war and the peace was over. From this point the clans drifted away. Now we have shit, because we are incapable of ahm helping each other...
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You are so much concentrated on your clan... on your members that you simply can not understand it.
you put personal and clan interests above common ones.Yes thats true. I dont care about PX, SFP, DC or BG. I have my reasons for it. BTW are they well established and have a good management and run quite well. If i would care about anyone of them than this is called "Clan interference" what finally is considered shit. If I let them be then i put myself interest about common ones what is considered shit. If we are going to be evil pirates than its considered shit. If police is enforcing law than its considered shit - why - because we soon have whiners who post their thoughts about their in game experience on the forum - that soon starts to escalate - that finally is considered shit. So all we do is considered shit meanwhile and i am not going to produce more shit. I play for myself and with my clan mates and fallen ones. As long as I (and Lucy) is not aware of what mistakes - ahm no sorry: shit - we produced we are not going to play with others.
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Fuck it.QuoteOriginally posted by SWAT_OP-R8R
As usual i am talking against a wall... and i will not go on with this topic
You can do your shit without me so dont bother me with that crap again.Hm probably you should really close the server, because as the majority does not know what shit it produced they cannot change anything. As long this is not happening we will always have shit. And as long this is happening you will tell all we are guilty of shit. You are dissappointed, we are dissappointed - everything remains the way it is (right now).
And really people - you think going back to the server just playing the game is solving the current situation? Sure we have some newbies around - sooner or later they will face the same shit again and again. That behaviour is kinda hiding the problems and playing under the mask of peace and happyness.
