UAC

But does OP have to be mean and throw swear words around? That just obstruct the path to his ideal. I know he have done a lot for this community be he have got to take a break from being the sole controller of CF, and take a moment's peace once in a while.

Why don't OP share the responsability for the community (which is pretty heavy) instead of taking all of the burden? We are here to help, but if OP pushes us away, what can we do?

(OP, I am not trying to insult you here but I don't know enough english to put this in any other way) Why don't you go out and get a life? You can leave some of the responsability to us, the players of Cross Fire (your children in a way) and you can enjoy your life and be at peace.

i give up.. i give up..... All of this has happened because of me, because i tried to please every single soul.

What each one of you want to hear from me.. just say it;

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Why don't OP share the responsability for the community (which is pretty heavy) instead of taking all of the burden? We are here to help, but if OP pushes us away, what can we do?

He does and he also wants people who are willing to help, having said that, there are a few of us...and I do mean a few, who step to the plate consistently to keep things moving behind the scenes, by resolving community , player and clan issues.

Many of you assume (ass-u-me), that Op and I are always in agreement or I am the almighty powerful Server Police. So let me clarify a few things.

Op and I have our differences, arguements, disagreements and times of not communicating at all about CF issues. But, he is certainly my friend and we trust each other as individuals and as leaders of the CF community. Now given my history, as some know, he did not have to give me the leeway he has over the past months since I left R39.

The bottom line here is "trust", amidst all the personal differences one may have for another, if you can trust that individual to complete his / her job with honor, then people and communities grow.

So one more time I say to all, we are building this community and we have great people leading the way, so give your reasonable ideas, contribute your time and help us succeed.

Im not going anywhere, are you?

Well, I admit I don't know a lot about programing, but that doesn't mean that I am unwilling to help. And it doesn't mean that the rest of us are not willing to help in any way. It also doesn't mean that people who are leaving the server will become your enemies, so you don't have to be so paranoid. (Just because we are leaving doesn't mean we will stop coming back to CF.

Anyways, this topic have been keeping you and me from our little discussion so this will be my last post here, but before anyone say anything else, Just because the UAC will move to a new server, it doesn't mean we will abandon Cross Fire.

(Well, I said this will be my last post so I will edit instead ) Don't worry OP the UAC are CF friends no matter what.

Ruvio, you cannot please everyone and it is pointless to try. You can read over this thread many times and come up with different answers to different questions. What you need to do is what you WANT to do, nothing more, nothing less. Should UAC leave CF then CF will continue on. If you stay, CF will still continue on.

I am not saying that each unit and member in that unit is not important. I am saying that there are many things that individuals cannot control. UAC leaving will not be the death of CF no more than PiA leaving was.

You need to do what you feel is best for you and your unit and to hell with whatever someone else thinks.

@ Gunny, sorry m8 CF is stuck with me. lol. Im not going anywhere else. This is my home.

@ Ruivo, you will probably lose some members no matter what you do. You cant please everybody, its impossible. I wish UAC would stay, but that is your's and UAC's decision to make. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. With CF you know the good and the bad. With other server you know the good and thats it. It is like dating, everyone hides their faults for awhile. Example: Trowa impersonated OP, is that tolerated over there? Is that the kind of person UAC wants to be associated with? Im sure that is just the tip of the iceberg.

One thing is sure, none of this is worth poor health. Dont stress out on this thing m8. Take some time to think about it. Go to the ocean, eat some bbq, drink some wine. Put your own happiness first. If people dont like it too bad.

this calls for me to say:

People on this server must learn to communicate MUCH more clearly... this has been an ongoing problem since i began observing it all as 'nitr0x' over a year ago. If this community and server is to last, then better communication need be prescribed to all. Make every effort to make sure your messages get through.

UAC has no reason to leave, nor did R39, based on bad communications. There just needs to be some greater strength between the people here. Forgiveness where there are communicative errors, and reparation to try and communicate more efficiently.

I think many will agree that this very issue can carry to blame for many, if not most, of the issues the have, and continue, to occur here in this world OP built.
I think OP has communication issues here too, but remember: He is likely a busy guy; there are always people PMing and whatnot; he programs; and i understand he is trying to move on and find what new purposes he lives for, maybe modding freelancer for the masses to enjoy is now part of his past. Maybe there are new and greater things ahead for OP. Give him some space.

I reccomend that there be a 2nd admin drafted through extensive testing to relieve the pressures from OP. Or maybe heightening of honest responsibility of the ServerPolice. Im not sure which would be best for the server community, but i think consideration must be put into these options.

--jake

[968] Tonite I had some chat with my mates when in Vorkuta. First thing in mind was the hunt. And so we did. Blaster tried to take down a BG. He got killed but he had only a 2 class shield on it. But he tried anyway...that guy is quite mad.
Than I just gave all the missiles I got in vorkuta to our new store. He was quite happy about that...havocs, cataclysm, nemesis...a good start if you want to help some new LP char out.
Than the hunt in X began...me and priv passed BG and UAC with only one target...the GAY. I received an income transmission saying the the GAY are also a target for him. Happy to see we are not alone in the hunt.
But the GAY left and than another prey came to our hand. We had a veeery long fight with h.... The LP got what they were looking for

I must say that i have had time to think, and because of things i said i have already lost almost all the friends i had here. I allowed myself to judge ppl when i had wrong information, and indeed lack of other informations.

I have done the very thing i was wrongly accusing the man of doing, in a moment of anger i did stabbed someone i misjudged in the back to make my members confortable about leaving. All of them had their complaints about op and CF, so i used these complaints to make them confortable about leaving. The biggest problem is that I allowed a bad moment i was going throught interfere with something it had nothing to do with it. I belive that everyone here might know how frustrating it might be to beeing in the brink of losing the year on the university.

That email was adressed at my members, my intention was to ease things for them even knowing i was doing it the wrong way. I have to admit that lack of comunication made me misjudge a person that badly.

The UAC is no longer going to move. It'll stay here, and they will help. As for me i am coming here to say that with great effort because sadly for my wrong doings i have lost the trust, and respect of many ppl i cared for, and i won't be able to live with that. The UAC have decided what it'll do, but i still haven't decided what i will do, perhaps i step down from UAC's command and leave FL, not to run away from problems, but because i don't have the courage to play there when i have lost the trust of many people, and i see i may have deserved it.

I am new here. I really don't have the credentials to be speaking out about all these matters -- no, I really don't have the credentials at all. I am outspoken by nature, though. And opinionated.

Yesterday I sent OP a private e-mail, trying to be constructive on the one hand, and really letting him have it at the same time, hoping to maybe keep him from tipping all the way over and giving up, because I feel bad that his considerable achievement should go through this mangling process that has been happening of late.

I sort of laid my opinions on the line in no uncertain terms -- and, again, I have basically zero credentials -- and many an admin would have been provoked to anger by that. This was not the case.

Op replies to me within a day with a short, very restrained message. I was impressed with that.

As for the aforementioned mangling process, from where I stand there is plenty of blame to go around.

In my short stay here, I have only barely begun to develop an opinion of OP. What I notice so far from reading through this forum: he can sometimes be a bit taciturn, his sense of diplomacy runs the gamut from great to nonexistent, and I absolutely cannot abide the "call me God" phrase in his profile. (I know it's tongue-in-cheek, but maybe you should get rid of that, OP, before God tires of it. Seriously.)

So maybe OP is a bit of a prima donna and doesn't suffer fools lightly. In a way I cannot blame him. I tend to be the same way, myself -- in fact I am probably a lot worse (it takes one to know one, as they say). But it seems there are a lot of people here who claimed loyalty, and some displayed sycophantic behavior, when it was "fashionable" to be on Op's side. Then, as soon as adversity occurred here, those are some of the same ones that piled on and heaped coals on his head.

Ruivo, you have a lot to clear up. I hope you stay, my first (admittedly limited) impression of you was really very favorable, but I would not blame OP for banning you or even your clan. Your behavior recently has been cozening, duplicitous, deceitful. You have posts here and on NQ, not more than a day apart, that are so contradictory it is almost laughable. You have aggressively signed many new members to your clan just recently. Having done so, it's not nice to move on now that things seem a little less shiny. It's not even nice to threaten to move on, right now when things are unstable. Plus, there's a saying: "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence." I think someone referred to it above, in so many words.

Ruivo, if OP allows it, I hope you stay and contribute to clearing things up. Bigtime. Because, honestly, you seem like a nice enough guy. Your clan concept is a good one. Your sin is in trying to play both ends against the middle. I think many of us have done that at least once in our life. You will live and you will learn, hopefully. If OP lets you stay, I don't think you need to fear retribution or banishment server-side; the nucleus of this group just doesn't seem like the type. (I mean, any group that could put up with those GAYS as long as you guys did...well, shucks and damn...that has to take tolerance and patience. )

And, Ruivo, you are by no means the only one on this server who has displayed, shall we say, wishy-washy behavior. In fact, I think there was some extreme wishy-washiness that led to your initial unease, and to your getting caught up with the idea of leaving. Panicky or capricious behavior is contagious; this is not an uncommon phenomenon. It's easy to contribute to it and more difficult to remain above it.

As for me, as I said, I am new, and have no real vested interest in this mod. I may or may not continue to hang out here. (Some of you may know my feelings in the wake of the Nephele sale -- but also know that I posted my complaints about that before I fully understood the turmoil that was happening due to broader issues, and before I read the latest threads in this sub-forum.)

I have met a few decent, interesting folks server-side but nothing has really cemented there. I have no clan, and have but a few people I interact with regularly or semi-regularly. But I have been following this forum pretty closely the last couple days (good as a soap opera, it is), and maybe the opinion of a youngblood member, with no ties to this-or-that group, will help nudge things in the right direction.

This mod deserves better than it has been getting.

I think that's one of the bees in OP's bonnet: his reactiveness reminds me of that character on Seinfeld, the soup guy: he demanded perfection from his soup; how could he expect anything less from his customers? You dig it?

I hope you can all forgive me for speaking up -- again, I really don't have the credentials. It's a flaw of mine, my big mouth is. But I played here for a few weeks and really grew to appreciate this mod. I wish all the best.

@ Ruivo: Even the wisest of us make mistakes Ruivo, don't be too hard on yourself. I for one still trust you. I listened to your rationale for leaving long before you posted it, and with the information you had at the time your actions were completely reasonable. Had you known then what you did now none of this would have ever happened. I for one forgive this simple misunderstanting and warmly welcome you back. It'll be very nice having this many friends back and about I hope the rest of you can find it in you to see that Ruivo is a swell guy, and that there won't be any held grudges here. So long for now, I'll cya in space

@ OP: In my 4 or so months here I haven't really figured you out either. I've formed many opinions about you and your work that are almost constantly changing. You're a mysterious fellow, and you never cease to surprise and amaze me. You put up with a lot of garbage, and I must say that your ability to cope with it has been most admirable. Kudos to you and your masterpeice of gaming, and to the good times to come. Cheers m8.

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I have to agree with you two. But i also will not try to justify myself, because if i do so, i'll only hang myself more and more.

All i say is that i am no man of duplicity, i never did that, and the impression of it is because i've made a mystake when i was mad with everythingon my life affairs punching every wall i seen, and then tried to fix what i've done in that moment when i calmed down.

if what i say wasn't true, i wouldn't be here, 3am in the morning, with more exams tomorrow, trying to give a satisfaction would i? If i am guilty of something, not only here but in my entire life, i that i am not able to control my emotions and reactions when i lose my patience, because noone's perfect, noone's a saint.

yeah, Ruvio, stay...

Now you have the same genre of distrust i have...
... Endure it, for it will become your honour unless thee ...screweth up again, as i did I think i will be rejioning the server myself, hiding from the distrust from my past does nothing, repairing it moreso will. Good to be repairing with ya Ruvio.

--jake

oh, and it doesnt matter if you did anything wrong at this point, your defense only will make it worse, i know this firsthand, just ...kiss and make-up, its worth it.

Ruivo you are a good man an honest man and a good friend to many on CF. not many will put there hands up and say i got things wrong. i know you will do everything you can to put things right and help CF grow. good luck and good flying.