Discusion from Hook new features suggestions

I give money on Mike to have this interesting

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all the clans that have a good ship in their stations would lock it down and not let anyone use it, giving them an unfair advantage.

Only being without control (and without some things that could regulate it)
But yes, it's unfortunately usual way of the clans with this option available

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some things brought up here sounds pretty much like "copying from other mods into CF"

re-naming chars
docking restrictions to certain factions

I think not. I 've told once in one thread, that the "mechanics" of game, especially good can't be just "stealing the someone's idea". The weel cannot be "a copying from something to this". It's just a progress to more comfortable playing.

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Re-naming is not needed to recuit new members for any clans at all.

No. I disagree.

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Does making a new char and deleting the old one, make the player losing his memory? Does it also make him losing his "I know how to fight" part of their brains?

No. But it's losing the the game progress. Ruining the statistics.
usually, I prefere to leave rather to start something again.

Current process is actual routine, not clear why anyone desired it - that's what the recruit usually think. Any possibility of re-naming (no matter free or onlyt by admins, leaders etc) can and will make that process much easer.

As for me, I see the current process of removing-and-creating a very uncomfortable. Even though I am never appear everywhere without a tag, becouse of 10 years there.

P.S. Mi-cha-el, Mi-cha-el!

lol...

well, it looks like we got a new thread only to discuss the new features

Quick question,

If GR's were only ones able to change a chars name....would that mean that only Server clans had the chance to do such? I guess that wouldn't much be fair to other clans

GRs can change anyone's name, no matter it's for an official server clan or a normal server clan (with no home).

There is no need for such a limitation, separating normal and official servers. What was needed is to separate needed name changes with mischievous intentions to trick others, or to spy, or to simply hide from others... that'll still be possible but they will have to pay the costs of that. That's why GRs are the ones supposed to use such feature, where even that should be recorded in the server logs for possible needed check, later.

Clan leaders could also have that option on one of their IDs, but limiting their power on their own clan, just in case somebody would think of making one of his men a spy/member of another clan for some reason. But such limitation is only verbal... so... not safe.

.. I told one change in 6months ... no hiding, no tricks, but if needed can be used.

At times I have seen lack of GR's around on the server....but I do see the point of what Micheal said in that post. Not that my opinion matters but I do think there are people that would appreciate that type of feature and if implemented well, it could be a nice thing.

[BC]afGun:

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No. I disagree.

Really? So clans can not recuit others when people can not get their chars re-named?
Then I wonder how all the clans on CF did get their members

But the best example for the peoples lazyness is when I was online.
I saw some new guys just joining and immediately asking me for cash with the reason that they are new and 150k is not enough to start out with. So they demanded cash so they can progress, because they didn't want to "work" for it.
And then telling me, things like "on other servers we get cash when we start new" (as I would care whats going on on other servers)
This makes me wonder why people do even join a server to begin with.

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abras vs michael
place your bets!

No worries.
Michael wins, his flames and commenting on everything someone says, no matter what it is, makes me sick and takes the fun out of everything (for me)
He is right, he is the best, he is whatever. (probably someone with too much time)
Driving people off somewhere - good job.
Maybe there should be a reward given for spamming and making senseless posts and for not understanding. (not refering to this thread only, the forum is big, so have a look yourself)

Have fun

{LP}Knightshade{X}: and [SOC]Lonewolf:
Sorry for disappointing you guys, but I'm only dealing with people on my level.
And I'm tired of stepping down to deal with him.

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So clans can not recuit others when people can not get their chars re-named?

No, They can. But it's not as comfortable as it could be. That's what I said.

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Then I wonder how all the clans on CF did get their members

Try to wonder, why the clans are still not grow faster as they could.

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But the best example for the peoples lazyness is when I was online.
I saw some new guys just joining and immediately asking me for cash with the reason that they are new and 150k is not enough to start out with. So they demanded cash so they can progress, because they didn't want to "work" for it.

1. Actually, the start in CF was not so easy, when I first time came here.
Even my experience of playing game (and knowledge of many things from vanilla) not helped me to running low too fast in contrast of slow gaining cash. Some of the people helped me, becouse he saw my tries.
So, I was lazy too? Yes, I've not demanded enything, but even so...

2. Lazyness is actual main engine of all the technological progress of the humanity, if you don't know. That's why the computer was created as the wheel once. To make the work and life easer.

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And then telling me, things like "on other servers we get cash when we start new" (as I would care whats going on on other servers)
This makes me wonder why people do even join a server to begin with.

Some years before, I've played in the Discovery, Evolved, Flak, and some other mods. The most diffucult beginning what I saw was only here, on CF. So, don't completely ignore their words just becouse you see them as "lazy" players.
But don't blame them, becouse they only know what "on other servers we get cash when we start new". You better to blame the people on that servers who spoiled the players by such things.

Round 2:
Abrasdevil vs [BC]afGun
place your bets !

As apparently Abras ignores Marauder (and Forlon), "stepping down" to "deal" with 1 guy with different opinion than him is enough, at this moment, [BC]afgun.

From my experience new ppl like much more hints and company and mainly freedom (no bounds). Not to give them money, but help them hunt, escort them to needed destination and tell them about this mod, learn them few things, give them info where to find advices and so on. Yes, they are potential recruits, but in distant future when they learn what fit them best.

Real recruits are ppl playing for some time and especially those who like this mod. Such ppl take care about their chars and here we come to 'renaming'. I talked with more ppl in last months about 'clan membership' and surprisingly almost all did not want lose their actual chars.

its my pov on this.

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Such ppl take care about their chars and here we come to 'renaming'. I talked with more ppl in last months about 'clan membership' and surprisingly almost all did not want lose their actual chars.

Indeed, it's what you see when you actually try to recruit. I experienced the same thing, though I had a kind of solution for that to recruit.

Abras vs Michael....about 6 months past due.

I agree with Cresthen about the mapping and losing months of work, that has been one reason why I couldn't gain 2 members into CFPD. While I support renaming, I also support it being a limited feature so we don't have people jumping from clan to clan or renaming their chars to avoid any problems they may have caused, ie: hiding.

As for all of the other requests of using "other mods" features.....why take away the uniqueness of CF?

Of course my comments aren't relevant, so Griffin will quickly delete my thread.....he can't help himself.

@Crysis: please check this thread name ... Huor's thread with asking for suggestions was cleaned.

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As for all of the other requests of using "other mods" features.....why take away the uniqueness of CF?

This is exactly what I wonder since a while.
All the "ideas" and "requests" are based on what's already existing on other mods.
And instead of bringing up some really new stuff to keep CF unique, its more a bringing up stuff which makes things more comfortable. And as soon it gets against the own opinion it gets spammed.

@all others
example: re-naming (I dont know how to explain so all will get what I mean, but I'll try it anyway)

a freelancer explores everything while he is not with any clan. therefor he is "safe" to do whatever he wants without having to worry about clan interference. right? right!
THEN, after he has mapped all stuff he joins a clan and gets his char re-named.
Since he has all things mapped and explored already as freelancer, before joining any clan, he does not have to worry about any trouble to go anywhere where the clan might not be allowed or whatever.

now think about it. whats the purpose of joining a clan then when you dont have to challenge anything in order to achieve something, since you got it mapped/explored already?
Its just an example and Im sure that a bunch of that "glory players" here will not even understand what I mean.

So keep harassing and bullying who I am against about. Do whatever pleases you. I got a real life to take care of.
And Michael, if you want someone you can harass and bother, look for someone else, but keep me out of your weird ways.

Its all your choice to make suggestions what other mods dont have yet.
I just did ask for ideas - nothing more!

To keep (or make) CF unique, we should take out the hook completely, every server already has a hook and a "chat" option, why do we need that. Or why we fly spaceships and dock with stations and planets if every server already has that, let's fly lights and black holes and dock with suns by smashing into them !

The "uniqueness" of Crossfire has a line, a border... if there's something usseful we can add, why to first check if some mod already has it before adding it ? What is more important, that CF is different from anything, or the stance and benefit of the players in CF...

Also I offered original/unique ideas before, but they weren't in "OP's plan"... as no server has a real 3D system with a 3D trade lane network/connections that can take your ship to any direction, turning it automatically, without exiting the trade lane. And this thing I already built and had no visual bugs, no performance issues, so it totally was possible.

But it's too "weird" to be used as CF is supposed to continue the vanilla Freelancer model, that's why we don't have star wars and star trek ships, and neither any ship that's colored funny, like white or red, green, etc, and don't fit in the CF universe. As you see every sector, planet and ship fit in it's sorroundings.

So, on a side we want to keep CF "normal looking", and on the other side we want it "unique". What we decide on ?

""Seriously, why do we even consider other mods when discussing Crossfire? ""

Because they think this will increase the population here. When in fact, if you want to increase population, people need to feel welcome and wanted here. Which we ( that's right, I said it ), don't do very well. If I were a newbie to this forum, I wouldn't stay long after I read some of the posts and how others are treated. I might stay longer in game, until some asshole ( the usual suspects ), killed me at low level as I leave NY.... Unfortunately this is all relevant to keeping us successful and moving forward.

New graphics that make the game more realistic looking is key too. CF doesn't need to be bigger, it needs to be better, with these huge uninhabited systems being populated. Maybe even vanilla systems showing new developments in station design etc. You get the point.

But in the end, the key is us...and how we choose to participate.