Trading versus Smuggling

Quote from Rex Nebular

I knew everyone would have an opinion on this! And many posts were quite interesting. So what have I learned so far?

1) OP clearly designed BMG's and Smuggling Liscence so that only those with a liscence can buy black market goods.
2) The mechanism for enforcing this is not in place yet and anyone can buy/transport BMG's.
3) A large number of players are using this technical "loophole" to make huge sums of money in a short period of time.

Isn't taking advandatge of a technical loophole in a game to advance a character's rank or stats called an "exploit"?

Why is it not enforcable? What happens when a player taxes with no pirate liscence? What happens when a player makes a private contract to collect a bounty but doesn't have a merc liscence?
What should happen if someone smuggles BMG's without a liscence? Maybe the same thing that happens to anyone else that RP's without a liscence?

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Its funny after all this time and several CF releases u now remenber BMG could only be bought by smugglers.
Since the first posts of this thread i knew the direction this would go.
You are all hoping OP come here and say " from now on is forbyden to smuggle without smugglers licence".
for those that will say "i was expecting this kind of awnser" i tell u this.
I know several police(from several clans) are quiting their clans becouse they think police RP is not good. The main reason is becouse u are geting low on money. Many of us has a busy RL and dont want come play to spent 90% of that time killing pods or mining niobiun. that i understand perfecly

I will call my memories and bring 1.7 RP. Anyone remenbers SoS or the sol run? How many clans from diferent RP where figting for that route? and the prisioners runs where there was a police seeing if someone was smuggling and pirates taxing behind their back.
I miss the times i log in and there was a fight somewhere where i could go.
What was the main reason for all this action? Money
Even in 1.82 i only see this kind of action on routes like NL leeds or in frankfurt.
So if people left smuggling what action will we have? Expedition to inner core? the events? or a eternal waiting ASF vs CSF Batle?
Smuggling is one of the most important generator of RP at the moment imo. Whitout it the mod will become more Sp than MP.
Dont worry guys OP already told hes working on it. New ways to make money, mining, double price of misions etc etc. Maybe in 1.9 we will have the feature only smugglers licence can buy BMG.

On a sidenote, what will you do when you see a Pirate smuggling - would you ban him - or fine hundrets of Millions from his Char?

Hauling Commodities is limited to 500 unites - the prisoners run from 1.7 had the double profit and everyone was doing it... better make your RP Jobs to prevent smuggling if you don´t like it. The SoS and Sol Run generated perfect RP in 1.7 take everything away and you will limit the RP to zero when you don´t balance the output.

CF is no RPG where the ppl are making missions against NPC together - it´s interactive between players and/or - clans start to love it while trying to find it´s spirit folks.

So one APC waiting in front the ice palace and several trains "parked" in space waiting for all the cops to either leave the system or or log off was good RP?

Today it is the same story with different numbers, most (not all ofc) smugglers switch chars when cops get even close to them.

That was and is not creating RP it´s evading it.

People leave the Police RP because they want to be in a bigger clan to ensure their victory in fights, or to get rich, no more no less. To most here, showing up 3 , 4, 5 vs 1 cop is fun and quite frankly, intentionally done to show their newly found power. But in doing so, those who leave the Police RP are killing RP altogether, but then again CF is nothing more than a social gathering place anyway, until some of you decide to change it.

You don't need billions to play this game, although I agree a decent legal route is needed to offset the cost of munitions and ships, without having to use 90% of your game time just trading.

Quote from Rex Nebular

What happens when a player taxes with no pirate liscence? What happens when a player makes a private contract to collect a bounty but doesn't have a merc liscence?
What should happen if someone smuggles BMG's without a liscence? Maybe the same thing that happens to anyone else that RP's without a liscence?

what happens when someone tax withotu a license ? we say to the guy he doesnt have a license to do so, he apologize and buy one. The smugglers without licenses laugh at you and keep on doing their business without feeling bad.

Sphinx

before that

Gunny

a legal route would be good, i agree.

When I personaly left the Police RP it kinda felt the other way round sorrounded by police i wasn´t even able to sneeze without a policeman offering a snot rag.

Arrow

Hear me, pointing someone to rules is not counting to the normal content of the Game. If you want to play the Game - shoot them (me too!).

This discusion goes to nowhere. As soon as I get to my PC i will close this thread. Sry to all, but continue can not bring anything good

We all need wait with this stuff to 1.9

Did you already asked Rex to do so - atm. i can´t see a flame and the posts are on the topic...

me neither...

you want continue with another RP discusion? Both sides said their opinion and more times and result? ... I can for sure wait for Rex decision.

well, errm - no

If we want real RP here, then yes POLICE RP need a good and profitable legal routes, but somehow for those lawful factions only!IDK how, but maybe this can be linked with police license...:P

This is directed towards the forum moderators: Why is it everytime someone sneezes, disagrees or the conversation takes a different direction, must you rush to close the thread? As long as there isn't any flaming, does it matter? We either discuss things here, as pointless as some of them are, or discuss them in game where we should be engaged in RP instead.

The amount of thread closings is beyond ridiculous and if you keep it up, people simply won't post here or will see it as pointless to post a valid topic. Use better judgement please.

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This is directed towards the forum moderators: Why is it everytime someone sneezes, disagrees or the conversation takes a different direction, must you rush to close the thread? As long as there isn't any flaming, does it matter? We either discuss things here, as pointless as some of them are, or discuss them in game where we should be engaged in RP instead.

The amount of thread closings is beyond ridiculous and if you keep it up, people simply won't post here or will see it as pointless to post a valid topic. Use better judgement please.

100% agreed

dito

just let the RP discussions run until the flames start (which is just a matter of time) and close the threads then
cause <-> reaction

i actually wonder why such RP discussions are done at all coz in all the years you guys achieved nothing with it

Quote from I1ian

And "amazing" job of picking up the moderators OP

Haven't you been a Moderator yourself once upon a time here too? Seems you did very well - so please leave such statements for yourself and don't bother us with it ;P (Will you some when remove the sunglasses at night?) ;D

@the rest who may be concerned:
As much as i agree to that the amount of closed threads increased lately - you all am making us Mods no favor with all this complaining, quarrelling, sneezing, "i am playing my rp and do yours bla discussions". Its a constant bickering of people no matter what situation the thread was started. The first few posts have their reason and soon the following posts spread in all directions.

And if you have a concern, problem, whatever issue with one of the mods you may please direct your concern towards OP and not on publicity - like it was done here. Always obey to the chain of command And now happy posting!

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coz in all the years you guys achieved nothing with it

valid point, even when i see upgrades - but for the discussions we had it was only a few. Anyway, the few we had was important ones from my pov and worth some of the efforts. Hey, and my english improved a little