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  • This is portion of an article I read and of course, I provided the source at the bottom. Nothing more than a point of view.......so what say you people?


    Just as a side note, this is one reason why we fight for our freedoms and why we always will.





    The Rape of Europe
    By Paul Belien


    The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the Dutch newspaper "De Volkskrant" (12 October) that young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate. Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin , Broder pointed to the other customers and the passers-by and said melancholically: "We are watching the world of yesterday."


    Europe is turning Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old he is not going to emigrate himself. "I am too old," he said; however he urged young people to get out and "move to Australia or New Zealand . That is the only option they have if they want to avoid the plagues that will turn the old continent uninhabitable."


    Many Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for Broder's advice. The number of emigrants leaving the Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the n umber of immigrants moving in. One does not have to be prophetic to predict, like Henryk Broder, that Europe is becoming Islamic. Just consider the demographics.


    The number of Muslims in contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million. It is expected to double in twenty years. By 2025, one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families. Today Mohammed is already the most popular name for new-born boys in Brussels , Amsterdam , Rotterdam , and other major European cities.


    Broder is convinced that the Europeans are not willing to oppose islamization. "The dominant ethos," he told De Volkskrant, "is perfectly voiced by the stupid blonde woman author with whom I recently debated. She said that it is sometimes better to let yourself be raped than to risk serious injuries while resisting. She said it is sometimes better to avoid fighting than run the risk of death."


    In a recent op-ed piece in the Brussels newspaper De Standaard (23 October) the Dutch (gay and self-declared "humanist") author Oscar Van den Boogaard refers to Broder's interview. Van den Boogaard says that to him coping with the islamization of Europe is like "a process of mourning." He is overwhelmed by a "feeling of sadness." "I am not a warrior," he says, "but who is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it."


    As Tom Bethell wrote in this month's American Spectator: "Just at the most basic level of demography the secular-humanist option is not working." But there is more to it than the fact that non-religious people tend not to have as many children as religious people, because many of them prefer to "enjoy" freedom rather than renounce it for the sake of children.
    Secularists, it seems to me, are also less keen on fighting. Since they do not believe i n an afterlife, this life is the only thing they have to lose; hence they will rather accept submission than fight. Like the German feminist Broder referred to, they prefer to be raped than to resist.


    "If faith collapses, civilization goes with it," says Bethell. That is the real cause of the closing of civilization in Europe . Islamization is simply the consequence. The very word Islam means "submission" and the secularists have submitted already. Many Europeans have already become Muslims, though they do not realize it or do not want to admit it.


    Some of the people I meet in the U.S. are particularly worried about the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe. They are correct when they fear that anti-Semitism is also on the rise among non-immigrant Europeans. The latter hate people with a fighting spirit. Contemporary anti-Semitism in Europe (at least when coming from native Europeans) is related to anti-Americanism.
    People who are not prepared to resist and are eager to submit hate others who do not want to submit and are prepared to fight. They hate them because they are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives as well. In their view everyone must submit.


    This is why they have come to hate Israel and America so much, and the small band of European "islamophobes" who dare to talk about what they see happening around them. West Europeans have to choose between submission (Islam) or death.
    I fear, like Broder, that they have chosen submission -- just like in former days when they preferred to be red rather than dead.


    Europeans apparently never read John Stuart Mill: And now coming to the USA?


    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.


    SOURCE: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1609/print

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  • aha
    another "news article" i consider a waste of time

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    i consider a waste of time


    agree


    Paul Belien Wikipedia


    Dr. Paul Belien (b. 1959) is a Flemish journalist and editor of the conservative-libertarian blog The Brussels Journal.


    Belien is both known as both a pro-American and a prolific writer and author. Belien has written in several newspapers such as The Wall Street Journal, The Independent, 't Pallieterke, Gazet van Antwerpen, Trends or The American Conservative. He is an advocate of Flemish independence, free trade and supports the Pro-Life movement, which is opposed to abortion. Belien strongly opposes immigration into Europe by Islamic fundamentalists. He was co-founder of the Centre for the New Europe (CNE), a thinktank based in Brussels, and was editor of the conservative magazine Nucleus. He is also an adjunct fellow at the Hudson Institute.


    Belien has also published a book about Belgium and the "Belgianisation" of Europe entitled A Throne in Brussels.


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    another "news article" i consider a waste of time


    Hmmm... only if you agree with the suggested outcome of the article, or if your expected lifespan is to be shorter than the projected timetable for this shift! Liberal ideals are inconsistent with the preservation of national and historic identity, which is something even Americans are not immune from. Having declined to firmly enforce our own immigration laws, the USA now risks the loss of its own identity to the unrestrained flood of humanity across its southern border. If a single nation with the resources of the USA cannot resist this tide, what hope do the European nations have?


    Nationalism and culture are invaluable to the maintenance of civilization, as long as they are not taken to extremes, as history has amply demonstrated. When the people of any nation decide their identity is not worth fighting (and dying) for, they will inevitably become subject to a people who still has the will...


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  • Centurian , i like your views and your rhetoric but you over complicate the answers with deep political and Psychological babble that the man in the street does not get.


    The piece that Gunny put up was in my mind a , story of the Muslim escalation in western europe and the politcal correctness that this is the correct way forward.


    Centurion , you live in the same country as myself and have as i am sure as i have , had diversity training on how not to offend ethnic minorities.


    I cannot now express my given and fought for free speech without the fear of repraisal and the long arm of the law .
    I am the product of my mother and father and the community i grew up.
    The radical muslims blow up London killing 57 people and my government pander to them.
    The radical muslims organise a rally in protest over a cartoon depection of the profit mohammed. Some come dressed as suicide bombers with banners saying be-head all westerners. The police hang back in case of insiting a racial incident. It's all there for all to see on BBC news.
    The Muslims want Sharia law to be adopted into the UK law system.
    I as a white man and a hetro sexual with a family i am very mailined in this culture of "lets not offend our Muslim brothers and sisters". lets not offend or malign the disabled, the Gay community but it's ok to suppress me. Point in order here. Bernard Manning dies and the uk rejoices that a fat racist bastard is dead. Ok , so what. Trevor Mcdonald a stalwart of the ITV news calls him a white racist bastard. So it's ok to be black racist bastard then, because no uk resident dare question that.
    I am not religous but beleive that religion has a very important place in our society.
    My grandfather fought against the nazi's as did my country. I am proud to be British as i am sure my American cousins are proud to be American.
    We cannot and should not go along with the political correctness brigade who are eroding our national pride.


    My opinions are just that my opinions, i should not and will not have any member or party or indeed gropu of individuals telling me what i should say and think. I bring my kids up with values to respect all individuals.
    That respect should always be mirrored for those intent to destroy my beliefs.
    Last point , Refugees from a war torn part of the world were offered an given housing before the indiginous population in my city. Can you see how that causes problems.

  • you dont get the points


    Nothing to do with fighting - it´s the so called ressources which are quite wrong.


    Visit old Europe to get it ;)


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  • For the 2nd time in CF history, the GayClanLeader and I share the same point of view....having said that, Centaurians comments are sharp as well.


    I guess it sucks to be Pro_American.


    This is designed to be an intelligent debate among us who "get it", lets not spoil the conversation.

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  • Gunny if the pro or contra American is pointed out only here, you need to know that serious ressources are needed to build mind. The author of the above articel isn´t that serious!


    What do you think is nearer to european Ppl. a complete other culture or the US Style of Culture?


    I think the answer is quite clear - but the media ressources aren´t.


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  • most know that for sure im not pro american
    my views differ very much from what is "american"... im not patriotic... im dont see a threat where ever i look... muslims are just ppl like you and me that are free to believe in their religion
    I heavily dislike many things that are represented by the american way of life and how americans act in various situations (mainly politics)


    i consider myself not a german but an european and i am glad that a belong to union of various cultures and religions


    in the past decades the world changed heavily... the UDSSR broke together and the USA was able to do things that other countries couldnt even dream about because of military strength
    but like already stated the world is changing... china is on the way to become a real superpower, the political and economical power of the united europe states can already mess with america and i bet that russia is going to develop to its old strenght in the next decades due to their enormous (so far untouched) resources


    and america shouldnt forget about the relatations between those superpowers
    china and russia may not be the best friends but their common comunistic history and their relations in the past, not to mention their current politics get them closer and closer
    europe and especially east europe also has very good relations to the eastern states and due to the fact that there is a growing contra-american thinking due to the wars and the self announced "world police" issue of the US


    very likely im off topic atm - nvm


    what i wanted to say is that we give a fuck about what is american and what not... the "americanization" already bothers half of the world
    so let us do what we want to do ... and let them do what they want to do

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  • well


    The nice thing of demokratic behavior is that all can think what they want to think and say what they like. Try to do it in Russia or China OP.


    Even when it has military aspects in it - i´m from former western Germany. I know what the US people have done in the past for my people - well ok that was my fathers generation but i won´t forget it too and even my children and grandchildren! So I was able to live in freedom under some of the best type of a demokratic system in World


    I dislike some of the american politics too - but so i do from some other goverments - I do not dislike the american people thats even a fact!


    What is happened here - it´s like all the time people start to discuss a serious theme and put their way of living together with political issues...


    Quiet bad if you ask me. Fact is we in Europe have people from other nations living and working here, most of them in peace and freedom and many of them are Europeans now. Fact is germanies demographical Factor is downgrading we will have 42 Mil. inhabitants in 2042 when we don´t do anything against it. Fact is whole Europe need the childs born with an emigrant background. What do you all expect when coming with a low information status. Build your own mind!


    I said it before get some serious Informations, visit old Europe and build up your own mind. For this anti-american behavior here or everywhere, you need to have a look to the near and wider past - if u don´t like americanization well no problem don´t go to Mc Donalds, don´t drive a Ford and don´t drink a coke. But you need to visit the US when building your mind about the people there. The others, don´t eat pizza or drive a Mercedes and so on. You all need to wake up, Continents are more near as you suggest. What could be done when South Africa is stopping the diamond mining - well forget the economy worldwide!!!


    No Oil from Opec or Gas from Russia - live well in the cold winters. So what are we discussing here - sbdy thinks he will be able to live without the other?


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    i consider myself not a german but an european and i am glad that a belong to union of various cultures and religions


    I mentioned the American experience only as an example of a lack of resolution in the face of a serious problem. I don't consider myself an "Arizonan" as much as an American, much the way you feel a European. But the major issue is that the EU is based on sovereign states working together, much as the "United" States do. If those nations lose their sovereignty to an outside ideology which is contrary to their founding culture and history, they will cease to exist, and the Union will be dramatically transformed into a puppet government.


    I have no problem letting people live their lives in accordance with their beliefs (even if mistaken beliefs), as long as these beliefs do not include extermination of people who they deem to be "enemies". Sadly, this is part of the very fabric of radical Islamic teaching. The rapid acceptance of this teaching by the disenfranchised in western societies presents a real and present danger to the way of life we all have become accustomed to in Europe & the Americas (the point of the article).

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  • Sry guys, but I have litle time so I will just post breifly some ideias and then I will post something more concret (cause I can't let the pass)


    1ºThe Islan doesn't teach the extermination, in the matter of fact 500 years ago were the western aka white ppl that made an inquisition, while the mouslin states allready acepted the multi religous societis.


    Ppl tend to forget that Cristian, Islan, and Judish religions have the same history untill the year 0.


    2ºIs bad that a religion is being used by some ppl to acomplish thei're economical goals, and I talk about the both parts (Islam terrorists are financial suported by someone that want to get rith of the western economical supermacy).


    3ºif we put the things like historicaly they should be seen, it's not right that 2000 years later a country Nation is created when the ppl of that nation are not even born there. these was simple one alternative to extemination, the problem was that someone forgot that other ppl leaved there for centuris allready.


    4º Europe will be as stronger as it can once we figure out a way of define a comun external politic and an european Army, so we don't need foregein ppl to come fixe problems like Bosnia Herzgovina one.

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  • Hmm,, i`m agreed with Argos....and we talk about history ?


    ROFL, Bulgaria got one of the longests ;D


    Talking about patriots ?


    Well here i am ! @ our country, or u r with the Bulgarians, or u r versus them...thats my point of view...


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  • Don't get what u mean m8, do u felt something offensive in my post ??


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  • Not at all mate, I don't have nothing agaisnt that


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    Well here i am ! @ our country, or u r with the Bulgarians, or u r versus them...thats my point of view...


    but in time you'll understad that the "proudly allone", as a portuguese ditator made popular, can not be good for anyone.

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  • Point of order here for Argos and all others who are interested.
    The Muslim faith was established 500 to 700 years after the death of Christ. It was first established as a political party and copied many of the christian belief systems and laws.


    I do believe that Muslims are being used as pawns by the superpowers of this world to demonise thembut is there any justification in any religion to bomb and kill inocent women and children just because you opose the beliefs of that society.


    In my home town and indeed my country there is a great under current of depisal for the Muslim community. A community who doesn't help thereselves by not integrating with the indiginious popuation.
    In the 50's UK took in many thousands of black afrocaribean. These people have fully integrated into the way of life in the Uk and i belive prosper as well or if not better than the white indiginous population.


    Guess this one will rage on with no answers

  • democracy is also a very nice story


    compare the democracy of european states (lets say france... germany, uk) with the democracy of the US


    compared to the european democracy the US version almost looks like a dictature
    not to mention the pretty weird and unfair election system
    the US democracy is somewhat rubbish, partly unfair... same as some of the US laws (such as "Dominoes may not be played on Sunday." or "It is illegal to wear a fake moustache that causes laughter in church." -> that r no jokes)and the social system

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    compare the democracy of european states (lets say france... germany, uk) with the democracy of the US


    This is a wide digression from the topic of the article. This is not a question of whose system is better, or who is more fair; the point is that all of "western" civilisation must face the fact that ideologies contrary to those upon which western governments and societies were built are now being used to undermine their host countries. Neither the EU or USA is a pure democracy, they are democratic republics, at best. And as European and American birth rates continue to decline, while those of immigrant populations increases, both will see a dramatic change in social structure and norms, if left to chance. This will happen in our lifetimes. Whether this is a desirable turn of events is up to each nation to decide for itself, but left unanswered, many will not care for the outcome :(

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