NY campers

Good OP, agreed 100%.

i agree with u OP
but the thing is that since all players r invincible while in that system, alot of ppl have their armories there so ppl often do transfer there, and there is also a fairly good trade route in there, so there r usally a good amount of traders in there. im not exactly sure what u mean by camping , as some ppl like to kill those Liberty/Rhienland fleets over manhatten^^. maybe if u added some more capship encounters outside of NY, ppl would kill them there, rather then in NY

anyway, these r just my thoughts

Lashan

Well, although I agree players shouldn't run from roleplay, I wouldn't agree with it becoming a PvP zone. For me, it is just a place to keep the storage and to meet people for a chat or to help them when they need a transfer.
OP met my in NY the other day and he said the exact same thing. Although I can't testify for the others there, but I had just met there with one of our members who had a request for money. NY is the ideal place for meetings like that.
But yea, to pinpoint the prob, camping should stop in NY, I couldn't say no to that.

Grtz

typically those units that own systems should have their stores or banks in their own system. I plan on moving mine there as soon as my connection will allow me to (getting cable next tues). Those freelancers that do not have a home system should be allowed to keep their stores there.

I think the problems OP is expressing are those people that are running from certain death because they pissed too many people off. They go hide in NY. If he turns NY into a PvP zone I know a lot of folks that are going to get destoyed over and over and over, hey, they shouldn't have made so many enemies.

agree with all of you

its stupid that everyone is now trading in NY with their trains, cuz they are invincible and there is no way to engage them . i do know that NY is save zone system, for no PvP, no taxing, etc, etc. but to trade there, its really lame. and its no role play that way

i generaly think that most ppl should be outside of NY (unless they r doing something important) but turning it into a pvp zone would make it a much more deadly system. as u know, newbies spawn there, so they might get killed over and by some ppl (even if its by accident) and this would probably turn away some ppl.

Agreed OP !

Hehehe...
Agreed... this remind me the other day i tried to tax in NY, not by doing PvP but threatening of flipping trains... but I was blunt ended by certain SP.
So, is it legitime to tax a train by fliping it (terrible annoying situation), or can u give me that special authorization to tax them by flipping them at NY? This would be fun, OP.

Cya. Amos out. [8]

Good idea OP.

Haha, nice idea Amos!

Any kind of intentional contact in a hostile manner is constituted as PVP, as we have dealt with a player being destroyed by another player simply by ramming him.

So yes, Amos...I was within my rights to say "no"

I suppose I could move my armory elsewhere, but what difference does it make anyhow? If you have a char you really don't want to die then it has to go out into the middle of nowhere to hide from strong NPCs and other players. My armory would be just as safe in Tau-37 as it is in NY; the only two things that could change are transfers taking an extra ten or fifteen minutes from travel times, and that people would make less interaction as a result of their greater distribution throughout the systems.

One of the great things about people being in New York is that new players can ask questions and there are experienced players there to help. This reduces the number of repeat-threads that pop up here and encourages people to stay (friendliness of players is a big plus for a server).

If a person wants to hide though, they can do it wherever they want (and they should be able to btw). If a person is a coward he or she can dock at the nearest station. In an RP sense this simulates an escape to a populated area where the pursuers are pretty much ditched. I don't think the problem is people being in NY as much that people don't realize that there are many places where one can be isolated and "safe". I couldn't care less where my weak chars are "camped", I just like having them at Manhattan because, next to the hazardous death-trap that is X-3043, it's the easiest place to get to from.

hmm, yea, I kind of changed my mind and agree with OP. There should be no RP actions whatsoever in NY, including trading. And as Osiris pointed out real nicely (I didn't think of that yet ^^) is that there are enough other places to keep your storage aswell. In the case of server clans (which probably have the biggest storages anyway) they have their own system, which is great ofcourse. It's just that Ny (together with X-3043) is a mainport to alot of systems and thus a good place to meet and you can make transfers without worrying about outcasts nagging you. If there would be another safezone I'd probably still go to NY to meet and transfer and stuff like that.

Grtz

can i get permission to shoot them

Make it experience based
Below level 40 and you can stay and trade and camp
Above level 40 pass thru trade only

I never give a new player more then 2 or 3 mill, the enough for the junkers bribe and equip an standart eagle, even if I give him more then that he does not know's what to do with it.

anyway, IOC demenads that new menbers have allready made it.

I am saying these cause I am tired of see newbies in clans that don't even know server ways.

Never more than a mil to unknown player !

Agreed, bring back PvP to New York. Too many time have I missed the occasions to make a kill because a pirate ran into New York, then simply mocked me over private chat... [3]

Time to take the garbage out [10]

10000000 % agreed with lone...
But not to kill every newbie that come to CF....only guys that run [3]