Ukrainian War

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  • IMHO, we don't need any of the military powers at all - at least not like it is in the current state with east vs. west. There is nothing like that on a globe. For America, Russia is west :D


    However, we have the UN - an institution that includes almost all the countries on this globe. Acts against any of the countries must be dealt with there. This institution needs an army - consisting of all partial armies of the member states. Disputes between countries must be settled before this institution. And if one country acts militarily against another, then it must reckon with the consequences that this institution enacts. If necessary, this would also be military actions, if the diplomatic means are not sufficient.


    It is clear that this will not solve the conflicts of this world, but it enables other nations to act and intervene in the name of this globe. Who wants to take revenge, takes revenge on the community of this globe.


    I can't understand this ideology about this is my country and this is your country. Borders exist only because people draw them or have drawn them. Nature has no drawn land borders, which then also divides peoples into West and East and North and South. If mankind does not manage to overcome this hurdle, then we will probably exterminate ourselves soon.

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  • I am worried about the word "soon"

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  • These are the images the russian people are not allowed to see on their TVs.

    This war is not about fighting Nazis, this war is about bring pure terror on the entire population of a country.

    A sheer disrespect to the lives of the people... even to the lives of their own soldiers.

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  • This war is not about fighting Nazis, this war is about bring pure terror on the entire population of a country.

    A sheer disrespect to the lives of the people... even to the lives of their own soldiers.

    RF soldiers behaves like nazis ... and in this case I believe that videos which we have can't keep up with reality, which is even much much worse. :(

  • Even worse than that are the lies from the Putin regime.

    They claim that the Ukraine has executed collaborators. Really?

    Amongst the dead, Children collaborators?

    How sick does your mind have to be to come up with such a stupid story?

    The surviving population in that region all speak of Russian massacres on their neighbors and I am convinced that the more villages are re-captured the more dead civilians will be found. This is just the tip of the iceberg.


    What the Russian liars forget is that it is without any doubt possible to figure out when a person was killed based on the state of the body and then figure out which troops were active in that region. Russia can not hide the truth.

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  • What the Russian liars forget is that it is without any doubt possible to figure out when a person was killed based on the state of the body and then figure out which troops were active in that region. Russia can not hide the truth.

    They will not care, no matter what will be said or what proofs will be ... they will lie and lie even more again and again ... and most of Russia people will believe all of it while think that it all is nothing else as provocation from the West. Brainwashing propaganda is ongoing for decades. Sadly there imo do not exist anything else as force which can dealt with something like this. They will not stop unless found that opposite side can hit them even stronger. At this moment I really do not know how is even possible to negotiate with RF or believe in something what they will say.

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    Really?

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    Beer breweries are no biolabs ffs!

    Headaches will go away after some time.

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  • If they can say that ammunition on warship can start burning by itself, and that no one has died despite ship sinked then accusation about ukraina using biolabs for making biological weapons sounds like very sophisticad propaganda. They also said in news that sinking of their warship was start of 3rd world war ... seems littlebit wrong when they officially denied that ship was destroy by ukranian's attack. I think that we can only look on RF news only as a source of info what they say for theirs people, because every average intelligent person can easily see how huge logical holes are in these statements.

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  • I didn't want to say anything, but your point about the UN would be excellent if the UN's permanent members did not have veto privileges.


    Every time the UN made a wise and essential decision, the participating nations used their veto power to obstruct it.



    Only Russia/UDSSR used its veto power 120 times to prevent the UN from taking action. Even while they did not use it nearly as frequently as Russia, the US did utilize this veto when it suited their goal. The previous time, Russia covered up the well-documented war crimes in Syria by exercising its veto power.

  • I perfectly agree to that. The Veto right is the UNs biggest course.

    It needs to change but is the hardest thing to do because the all the countries need to agree to it and most important once even one country Veto such a change it will fail.

    Only Alternative would be to disassemble the UN and create a new one based on better rules and hope that the countries join the new organisation.


    Tricky. Especially due to all linked organisations that essentially are part of the UN.

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  • Only Alternative would be to disassemble the UN and create a new one based on better rules and hope that the countries join the new organisation.

    I think exactly the same. However it looks more and more like world will be divided into two blocks based on fundamentally different principal opinions and prepared to anihilate each other. One year ago if someone would say that old Starlancer game may be prediction of the future I would smile, today it look like quite real view of the future ...

  • Yeah, I don't think we are heading back to multiple blocks. At least not anytime soon.

    There is strong rhetoric about this but economic numbers do not support such claims. Russia right now is burning between 10 and 25 billion $ of its financial reserves per month (the large discrepancy between the numbers is because of a significant increase in the past months). More than half of the assets are frozen, therefore Russia is heading towards bankruptcy within the next year.

    Not the greatest conditions for forming a block.

    Politically Putin also can not score. When 143 countries of 193 countries vote against you and only 5 really support your efforts, you are on lost territory.

    Then again we have the financial power. 8 of the 10 biggest economies are allied. Only counting those (and ignoring the ones outside the top 10) they combine a GDP of ~44 trillion $ vs. Russia with only 1,7 trillion. Well, I don't think that this looks like a fair competition between the potential blocks.

    You could now mention China but I think China has its own ambitions and its own problems (property crisis, debt situation, 0-covid, weakening economy, etc).

    Coming back to Russia I see many more issues.

    ~60% of the revenue is based on natural resources but more and more countries refuse to buy. Price caps will make these revenues collapse by a huge margin. Potential secondary sanctions against China and India will make this even worse (those are expected to be introduced in Q1 2023). Both countries would benefit from supporting the price caps but also risk there trade relations if they side with Russia. If Russia cuts oil and gas exports as result the bankruptcy is just going to happen sooner.

    Then we also have the technology situation. Russia is not known for producing high-tech products. They have to be imported... but there are the sanctions. A block that can not produce its own technology is doomed to fail. Tech products are required for own economy. Without that the block always will have an economic disadvantage. Same can be said about military where high-tech these days make a huge difference as we meanwhile very well know.

    The assumed 2nd strongest army in the world has turned out to be the 2nd strongest army in Ukraine. Sheer force vs. technological advantages. The miracle hypersonic weapons have been used how many times by Russia? It were not many. That speaks volumes when it comes to the availability of high-tech.

    Next topic to factor in here is demographics. Russia already prior the war had terrible demographics. A death rate (prior war) twice as high as the birth rate. A very disproportional life expectancy for males/females (I wonder why *cough*). A not so great age distribution and... some events in 2022 which made everything even worse.

    A few hundred thousands mostly young left the country in the early months... another ~700.000 after the mobilization announcement. Unemployment rate due to age distribution prior the war was already extremely low. Now ~1 Mio workers are missing in the economy + an unknown number of killed and wounded soldiers that also need to be subtracted from the workforce.

    A wannabe block needs workers and a working economy. Russia lost decades of progress in this area.

    Furthermore do blocks if they want to have a future need to have an education system that motivates people to free thinking. Many intellectual people have left Russia meanwhile and teaching propaganda does not lead to fresh new ideas.


    In my eyes way too many indicators show that Russia is done. The talks about blocks and new world orders and such a crap is just stupid nonsense.

    China is a different more complicated topic in this regard.

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  • Just ran into an article from 2003 that was naming the 14 characteristics of fascism. Looks like a perfect match for Russia.


    1. "Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism" -> Russian flags, Z symbols etc. - check
    2. "Disdain for the importance of human rights" -> what human rights? - check
    3. "Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause" -> the evil West - check
    4. "The supremacy of the military/avid militarism" -> military all the way - check
    5. "Rampant sexism" -> to a degree for sure, combined with homophobism - check
    6. "A controlled mass media" -> there is nothing but state TV - check
    7. "Obsession with national security" -> one of the many declared reasons for the war - check
    8. "Religion and ruling elite tied together" -> KGB agent as head of the Russian orthodox church - check
    9. "Power of corporations protected" -> energy companies are untouchable unless you want to die one of many deaths - check
    10. "Power of labor suppressed or eliminated" -> ask the minorities which were mobilized against their will - check
    11. "Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts" -> many intellectuals had to flee the country or lost their jobs - check
    12. "Obsession with crime and punishment" -> up to 15 years of prison if you have a different opinion than the Kremlin - check
    13. "Rampant cronyism and corruption" -> what else... of course its Russia - check
    14. "Fraudulent elections" -> putting the opposition into jail or counting empty voting ballots as "yes" during the referendums - check check check


    A perfect match.

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  • Believe it or not but even Gamers are allowed to have an opinion, especially if it is strongly backed up by facts. For everything I wrote above I can show definite proof.

    As gaming community it would even be fair not to forget the gamers which suffer from these events. Players which most notably suffer from daily power outages and potentially are at risk to freeze to death during this winter because one faction in this conflict decided to commit war crimes by bombing power stations, heating facilities and gas production on a daily basis meanwhile.

    If you see hate in anything of that, you probably should take a second, closer look at all of it. Criticism against a regime is not hate against the people and for sure not directed against players and members of this community (no matter on which side they stand).

    This community has Russian players and also Ukrainians. Nothing has changed how these people are being treated on this site and I have no intention to change my personal relations with these people just because of their country of origin.

    IF hate was an intention here then the quality and quantity of posts were very different.

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    Didn't Sasha Grey die already in 2015 as nurse in Russian propaganda?

    What's the message? War is sexy?

    I am getting Starship Trooper fibes atm. "Do you want to know more?"

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