Capital Ship Rebalancing

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    the Adv. Battleship Defense Turret seems to underperform compared to the other battleship turrets, right?

    Exactly.


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    ok, lets see where we get this now.

    I intend to release a first try to rebalance stuff about an hour.

    The changes have to be tested online and some feedback would be nice.



    So what has been changed?

    • Capital ship handling for dreadnaughts, battleships, cruisers/destroyers and gunboats has been recalculated with the goal to prevent that ships start spinning.
      The math behind it sounds reasonable but in the end only tests will show if it works.
    • Cruisers have their maneuverability improved to make them more distinct from battleships/dreadnaughts.
    • Engines of all the cap ship classes got their visuals improved.
    • Engine sound effects got adjusted by ship class and faction.
    • Cruise charge time for battleships and dreadnaughts got increased to 10 seconds to reflect the larger energy demands.
    • Cruise charge time for cruisers and destroyers got increased to 7 seconds (same reason).
    • 8 new cruise charge sounds got introduced.
    • 1 new engine type got added for the simple reason that it was missing (bretonia destroyer engine).
    • Cap ship weapons are now categorized into 5 new classes.
    • Cap ship shields are now categorized into 4 new classes.
    • Cap ship shields have a 95% absorption rate on all non-cap ship weapons. (this value might change depending on feedback).
    • Cap ship weapons remain at 100% damage dealt on fighter shields (this might change depending on feedback).
    • Irregularities on gunboat, destroyer and cruiser weapons got fixed.
    • Adv. Battleship turret was brought in line with the other battleship defense turrets.
    • Damage outputs and range of battleship turrets remain the same (waiting on feedback here).
    • Gunboat and Cruiser/Destroyer turrets remain at the same damage outputs but got their firing range improved.
    • Gunboat forward guns got their shield damage reduced by ~2/3 but their hull damage increased by ~10% (since shield capacities on capital ships are much lower than the hull the overall damage output remains the same).
    • Gunboat forward guns models got replaced.
    • Gunboat forward guns fire delay has been increased to 3 seconds, the damage values for hull and shields have been adjusted to fully compensate this change.
    • Cruiser/destroyer forward guns now have a fire delay of 5 seconds, the damage values for hull and shields have been adjusted to fully compensate this change.
    • Cruiser/destroyer forward guns shield damage has been reduced while the hull damage remains very high. The lower shield damage is compensated by a superior firing range for this ship class (and of course its higher maneuverability).
    • The suggestion to add thrusters to gunboats did not really please me since that would have made them more of a overpowered fighter/bomber. In my eyes capital ships should not use thrusters at all. However, I increased the normal engine speed of gunboats by 25% (based on feedback this value can be adjusted).


    Many changes based on a lot of strange math.

    I guess it is testing time.

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    Ok I will take some ships to Arena as it Seems the best place 2 test all ion One place


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    • Cap ship shields have a 95% absorption rate on all non-cap ship weapons. (this value might change depending on feedback)

    I don't think it's 95% absorption, mate - 0:12

    • Capital ship handling for dreadnaughts, battleships, cruisers/destroyers and gunboats has been recalculated with the goal to prevent that ships start spinning.

    Seems the cap ships are a little more stable now, but VHFs colliding with them are now the ones spinning like crazy - 0:34 and 1:31.



    I have a good news and a bad news for you. The good news is that there is no bad news.

    I was afk @ the time I am not sure if <C> tried 2 Kill me also but my ship had not moved so Looks like theVHF flips now & not the Dreadnaught


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    The Spinning of the ship is not so Bad & I can be Killed by 1 VHF but not so Easily


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    Quote from LancelotOnCrack

    I don't think it's 95% absorption, mate - 0:12

    You are right, it certainly does not look like an absorption at all, which is strange since in all my tests so far it was working.

    I might have found an explanation for that already.

    The shield capacity looks pretty high, higher than the ones in my tests. Tribbs might have a shield upgrade on that ship and I most certainly forgot to apply the absorption to these upgrades.

    I just patched it.


    Quote from LancelotOnCrack

    Seems the cap ships are a little more stable now, but VHFs colliding with them are now the ones spinning like crazy - 0:34 and 1:31.

    This could be a geometry issue with the ship surface of this specific ship. I think it is worth to test it again with a vanilla battleship.

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    Cruise charge time for battleships and dreadnaughts got increased to 10 seconds to reflect the larger energy demands.

    Welp, this one hurt.

    To clarify: my normal strategy of using battleships in Inner Core relied on running away the moment the fighters show up. This just made it significantly harder. And it is also significantly harder to reposition away from under enemy capship fire as well.


    I'll make more runs to be sure (I only made a quick run to test if it's still possible after this change). But so far using my strat in IC got slightly harder (but still possible, so it's good). I'm not sure though if the damage reduction from fighter weapons comes into play against alien gunboats, and TBAFH I didn't want to test it on a ship loaded with alien weapons.


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    in theory the fighters shouldnt be a big problem

    the shield absorption should be a more than sufficient compensation for the additional 5 seconds cruise charge time

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    I was Flying A Celestis Dreadnaught with all the Upgrades


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    Ok, time for status report. I've made some tests with my order destroyer. Here are the results.

    Can confirm the maneuverability works more or less (can't say what's the difference, because sadly i've never tried the destroyer in real combat before the changes)

    Can confirm the reload time of the forward gun is indeed 5 seconds, what i do found though, is the range (don't know the default range, didn't made tests before) 1700m is the curret range of the main gun and 850 on the secondaries.

    Can confirm the damage reduction work as intended. After 5minutes of constant fight in Dervon with the brake between the next incoming wave and a little use of cruise engines moving around, a player will have no problem surviving them and knowing the ancient drones are not to be underestimated this is a big improvement in the surviving capabilities on the cap ships. Tomorrow i might try a gunboat but i can't guarantee.

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    just corrected a small issue with the weapons

    the weapon ranges should now work correctly

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    cruisers forward guns = 4000

    gunboat forward guns = 2500

    cruiser turrets = 2000

    gunboat turrets = 1500

    battleship weapons remained unchanged (a range of 800-2700 depending on the turret)

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    Tried to shoot DN in Arena. there is Zero chances for VHF now. 95% absorption , its too much?

    the ship with 4 best lv 10 guns, make 30k damage per second with fully electric power. now they take 1.5k damage on BS/DN. BS/DN have 900k hull in maximum stuff so we need 10 mins to destroy him, if count shield and less electric i think we need 30 mins to destroy him in AFK status

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    as you can see on the chart on Page 1 the damage reduction curve is getting quite steep at higher values.

    We can try running with 90% instead.

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    Looks like VHF's are now Cannon Fodder for Capital ships ,But the vhf was not moving it was in a Afk mode it was a Dragon Fly that I Killed & they was Hard 2 hit if they Moved so this is not a Good Example of the Potential of the Weapons of the DN it was Killed by Guns No Flak or Torps


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    yeah need to take a look at bomber weapons then.


    Also worth to think about taking a look at npcs, specifically in inner core

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