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    That said, over Half the United States has legalized or decriminalized marijuana in some fashion.


    that perfectly explains why trump was elected

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  • So over 150 death from terrorism this year (just counting arabic attacks) is nothing for you ? And the wounded dont count ? Not sure how it can be 2900 bigger in US but well, where are you getting our victims numbers from ? I hope you are not just counting the 12 deaths +50 wounded from just last happening. Or not just the BIG NEWS BUNCH OF DEATHS TERRORISM cases, but ALL of them, because normal googling just gives me 6 terrorism cases. The heck, there were 4 just in one week last time I checked. Not my fault if some axe/sword/wooden bat arab or just a "rape" incident that happens to end in the victim's death is not counted as "terrorism" for your government but for me it is while the guilty one isnt from Europe at all. Pretty sure that counting it this way its even worse than the 150+



    And all this Merkel's answer of "bad for the refugees that are trying to INTEGRATE" bs, arent they ment to be temporary refugees, visitors, not integrated germans ? People who only find a refuge until they can go back, not your future "civilized" grandaugther's father (or your daughter's husband).



    Anyway dont worry, its not going to get any better. I know enough from the situation that happened in Romania with the gipsies who are more indian than arabic, but still as incompatible. And we got fame across the countries because of them with ro papers, not actual romanians. And that's just outside, you can't imagine how it's inside. But you will ^^

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  • 10 terror attacks in germany so far (of which 7 had islamistic background, 2 right-wing extremist background and 1 is still uncertain)
    16 dead people, two of them were the attackers
    71 injured in islamistic attacks, 34 injured in right-wing extremist attacks (until this week the neo-nazi were leading in this category).


    oh.... that are btw. not the numbers for 2016, that are the total numbers of the past 12 years.


    (confirmed numbers which I cross checked with multiple sources)


    your "over 150 deaths" are nothing but false claims and propaganda which has very little to do with the real situation in germany

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  • ''Germany, now first country in Europe with more deaths+wounded from terrorism/arabs than car accidents or diseases(separatedly I think).''


    false


    In French alone there were: in Paris
    13 November 2015
    130 deaths
    413 injured hospitalized


    Attack of the 14th of July 2016 in Nice (This attack was made by crushing people with a truck!!! ;( ,At the national holiday)
    Deaths 86
    Injured 434



    One advises, do not visit the big French city during special events

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  • ansbach, würzburg, essen, berlin
    thats in 2016


    like i wrote... the total numbers I mentioned were taken from the past 15 years.
    (this timeframe appeared a good choice to me since 9/11 was a key event and there is pretty good information about the 15 years prior 9/11 in comparison)

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  • There were even more terrorist attacks before, 30 years ago and such, it has apparently been quite peaceful lately, until @Merkel 2015.


    Also, "terror attacks" are only counting the real bad ones. Like france. And 150 is in europe not just Germany, but still.


    There were numerous "refugee" attacks on a common base this year which were not put as "terror" attacks as it was nothing related to terrorism for them. Like the damn axe attack guy from months back, he on your top 10 terror attacks ? Nope. Prime minister's medic daughter raped and killed, was it islamic terrorism ? Nope. He didnt shout "I AM WITH ISIS". Victims due "people who are integrating with germans mixing up well n deep" ? Yes. The list of affected people, even just including savagery violence, rape, Sharia enforcement like beating people up in some town for others not wearing burkas as they want, the destruction of ancient christian religion antiques/crosses and whatever else which should not have happened at all and less be overlooked like this. Why are they just short term news on TV then dissapear?



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    Attack of the 14th of July 2016 in Nice (This attack was made by crushing people with a truck!!!


    One advises, do not visit the big French city during special events


    Good point, France is more well known for that. Well, Germany joined France now, but willingly. Truck and all too!


    France was before, not Germany, but for a different more respectable reason, like being the star flag representing democracy, freedom, and such, which our respectable society integrating friends hated. What germany is representing now is self made decisions (nobody voted for this shit in EU, and other countries act abiding what EU wants, Germany ignored that), selfishness (pressing other countries to do what themselves decided unaccordingly with the rest), superiority issue ( just in the opposite direction than in past, why would Germany think they are some sort of "saviors" for everyone by absorbing them ? Just because the economic strength made THANX to the allies in a supposed UNION ? Now they feel like its their merit, and deserve MORE than JUST being a member of the union, as equals like before. )


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  • But you clearly were talking about germany when making claims.
    And thus the claims are incorrect.


    Either you are precise with what you write and say or you better dont spread such a crap at all.



    Of course there were crimes which dont fit into the category "terrorism" but also germans and other europeans do terrible crimes. There isnt a day without any shit happening.
    The problems caused by refugees are a relative small percentage of all the shit that happens every day out there.

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  • Small percentage of total, maybe... Im not so sure how many kills did germans do. But you forgot to count the percentage of germany's pop that are islamic refugees.


    1 out of how many germans commit any crime ? 1 out of 100.000 ? and of refugees ? 1 out of 100 ?

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  • So the guy they say did the Berlin Christmas village attack was on police radar. He also did jail time for various crimes and was under surveillance by the German police.


    A lot of news has come out on this guy but it almost seems too extensive. Keep in mind, it's been three days since the attack and EU open borders would have allowed the Tunisian (or any of the 6 identities he had) be hundreds of miles away before Police started looking for him.


    What of the mother who strapped a suicide vest to her child and blew her child the fuck up? I don't care where they're from, if the culture is known for blowing their own kids up, objectifying women, cutting heads off of people or advocating violent attacks, a family or individual should undergo extremely rigorous vetting. Its true, it's not right to judge everyone for the actions of a few. But if those few are responsible for shooting up military bases, flying planes into buildings, kidnapping journalists and beheading them (which was faked by the same people who faked the Bin Laden videos...you can actually watch Bin Laden reverse age if you watch his videos condemning america in order) Then I would not want those people in my community. The risk of an attack is just too great


    I take great interest in my own self preservation. Call me whatever you want, but i only form my opinions based on facts presented to me. If some facts don't add up or seem a little too...ficticious, I generally discard my whole argument because chances are, NPR, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, Huffington Post, Vogue, or any major media outlet controlled by the state all have the same stuff

  • Problem is those cases are not so "few", the percentage isnt that small at all. They could get worse than the gipsy flooding, where gipsies percentage is well above 50% of criminals. It's truly hard to meet one who has not done anything illegal in their lifetime. Not killers, but theft, breaking the legs (or hands,etc) of their kids to receive more money from begging by keeping those kids sitting in the floor at random places with their legs broken and without medical treatment (and money the kids get only goes to the one who mutilated them), explotation for free money like making babies after moving to new country then demanding "bigger house" given for free (this actual news in UK, and they were called to be romanian just for the papers, but they are asian nomads gipsies), literal gangs with swords and all even in my native town, who even got to rob my mother off who doesnt go outside of home except for work and shops, where police doesn't even try to act (except for big sums being stolen, which ended in police backing off anyway due to weapon limitations for the police), maybe same as these criminals (like this refugee) now around europe who "are being tracked but cant be judged" or shit like that, because it would get police in trouble if they acted, and if some poor refugee got shot by police, they would all go up and burn the cities in protest, right ?


    There was even the joke that we will give Germany back the stolen Mercedes cars if we entered EU lol


    Doesn't have to commit horrible terrorism attacks shouting islamic prayers for that kind of people to be "bad".


    This refugee and same as every other one should be deported at first criminal record, he (any of them too) does NOT have the same rights as german citizens to be maintained in jail, then maintained after going out of jail, then whatever he does next, and all good until he actually makes news or messes with some politician's daughter.


    Isnt this what you actually said @OP, that they would get deported at any bad move ? Not just by the shape of their nose, but to actually do something wrong. Why was this guy still in the country then... I guess you are being deceived too afterall.

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  • Somehow Michael you make me sick with your conspiracy against Germany and our chancellor and what we do and dont in the EU. We had this topic already and your point of argument is yours. But there are other opinions too and we and OP presented you numbers which showed that your point of view is very likely not the fact-statement (same as with your numbers of terrorism and people dying). Never trust statistics if its not your own :)
    You can recall 5 different statistics about that and all will have different numbers. And actually it isnt very important if people are killed in terror attacks or by traffic - every one killed is one too much.


    You can only deport people if its safe to deport them. And if the country you want to deport the people to will take them. You just cant push them out of the air plane over the ocean or mediterranean sea. Our societies are bound to follow human rights. Even criminals have human rights. I think you are not willed to accept that but this is how our societies and constitutional states work meanwhile.

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  • Yes, one dieing from these asian and african "intruders" is one too much dead. Same for everything else. One euro they get is too much too, just to send to their countries and families or get new toys to kill with. While our own pop has such money issues, theirs just get cuts, austerity, etc.


    My opinion is pretty much neutral, all the opinions that came after mine were way worse.... It's also no conspiracy, Germany acted alone and unaccordinly to the rest of EU. Maybe forgot how EU works, a TEAM of UNITED countries working TOGETHER on a base of COMMON REGULATIONS ? Im not talking about some illuminati plan to remove your sick genes or stuff like the rest of conspiracies above... even though it IS surprising that the most uptight restrictive country about legal immigration accepts illegal one all nice and nobody is allowed to say otherwise. Where is this order really coming from, is it money talking behind all this drama ? Afterall we know Merkel IS corrupt JUST by taking in account what she did to Romania for some money, at the impeachment referendum, which is no conspiracy. ONE crime is enough to be a criminal. (Im not gonna debate on if she did anything or not related to Romania in her "visits" just because it doesnt appear in your first german/english lang google search results.)


    And since when is this about "if the country you want to deport people accepts them" ? No country has any right to decline receiving back their own population (even though its a bad idea sending anyone back to Syria now), ones who couldn't decline receiving them was Turkey, Greece, and other EU countries, well, until Merkel said welcome all. Arabia Saudi and others accepted refugees too, big refugee camps, tents with air conditioner that looked pretty decent in pictures, but they would be forced to WORK over there, not get free housing and/or money. No wonder those camps were empty in the pictures.


    Look at their countries, that is the best they can do. Good luck with your integration and mixing up with eachother good and deep through generations to come. Afterall peace can't last too long.

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  • michael... your opinion isnt any neutral all. You took clear position... so dont tell us you are neutral on that one.


    And if you ask me, as long as you pull fictional numbers out of your hat in order to blame others for something they most likely not even did any discussion here is pointless.
    I dont even have an idea what your intention is.
    What do you want?
    Bring back 1.5 million refugees to Aleppo where Assad can take revenge on them, or where they die because their homes have been destroyed by bombs? That blood would be on your hands then.
    Do you really believe the 50 victims on a xmas market have such an importance that the lives of tens if not hundreds of thousands of refugees should be put at risk in Syria?


    Which better solution do you have to offer?
    None?
    Ok, then accept the current situation and make the best of it.
    Its christmas, actually the best time to help people in need. Definitely not the time to face these people with hate or disrespect.

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  • Yes, well, start by emprisoning them properly or making them earn the money past the 6 months of economic help other german people would receive when job is lost/unemployed, even if it has to be physical work labor like in Arabia Saudi refugees camps. Can sound bad but another equal german would not receive anything more from the state than those initial months. Just a boot out of their own house by debt (banks here), and leech on other family members or a job.


    1.5mill is just counting Germany I suppose, and documented ones.

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  • I could explain in length why exactly that would be a very bad idea and why this would violate national and european law.
    But.... no... Im tired.

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  • Germany is surrounded by other countries - just in case we would act alone on our behalf and would open borders, every other nation around us could have closed it. We have open borders and welcome refugees and those which seek asylum - while every other nation around us would deny those people and violate human rights. Why haven't these nations done so? Why is this the fault of Germany personified by our chancellor? Now you say that we all forced other nations to open their borders too - at least thats your argument. I somehow cant believe that you believe in this story.


    If our chancellor is corrupt you are free to claim justice at the EU court. Shall your representatives claim what you are saying, shall we prove what really is behind that story? Romania isnt known to be free of corruptness, and should be more corrupt than Germany is (haven't proved numbers so dont blame me). Everyone should sweep infront if its own door before looking to others. Really that attitude is part of the problem.
    We in Germany have a certain level of live quality/standard - that gets saved by our social system. Sure that attracts people to come over here and get the money for doing nothing. Thats a problem of our law and we are working on that issue already. But that also caused many many Romanian people to come over here (over more years than refugees are coming) and get the money for their families to be able to have a living in Germany and send this money home. I guess thats OK so far you / your people benefit from this.


    BTW we cannot deport other people if their passes are not right and a foreign country denies that the person is one of their people. And how can you make sure that it is their people? How do you want to make sure that refugees have valid papers that state where they are really coming from and what are their real names? We have rights which cover this. If you or your nation wants to deport people - fine go ahead. But be warned that your nation and government very likely has to deal with violating human and asylum rights --> which is against the EU and international rights.


    Your thoughts about all the crisis seems far fetched and claim to have easy solutions. But you wont find easy solutions in this complex world. And please stop the claims about Germany. We are just one nation among 27 others in this network called EU. Legally we have the same rights and duties within these network as any other nation has too. Due to this EU also opened claims against Germany, wonder someone claims we violate EU laws. See its possible. If your nation so much is against what we as Germany are doing, use the things that are given and claim your right. Everyone is free to do so.
    Well then solutions to urgent problems are delayed and get shifted but thats another issue.

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  • after all now the "oh Aleppo gets bombed, poor people there " propaganda made sense. of course it was never about human rights or like that, the western countries give a damn about human rights as we know from Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Lybia, Paletine ... when western countries cry for human rights, they normally want just another war, that is the truth.



    has anyone here heard of the officers from nato, israel, qatar, saudi arabia, caught by the Syrian Arabic Army, caught in Aleppo, in a bunker? yes, they were the heads of the terrorists, of isis and al qaida, telling them where and how to hit and slaughter the inhabitants of Aleppo and other Syrian sides.



    it was clear from the beginning that this "civil war" is in fact a war from outside against Syria for stupid economic (gas pipeline from qatar to europe, golan heights now kept by israel) and geostrategic (Syria is an allie of Russia and Iran) reasons.


    now that the real inhabitants are free to go back to their houses they tell the world, what really happened (of course not in our lügenpresse = lieing media), that the terrorists killed children, women, stole all their goods, made schools and hospitals to comando posts, left the city with thousands of mines and bombs to injure and kill even more people after they left. it is Russia, that cleaned Aleppo from those dangers so that the Syrian people are safe again. the real inhabitants are free now, welcomed and celebrate the SAA and Russia. and yes, now they can celebrate cristmas, in public, without being in danger of terror acts, all together: cristians, muslims, alevits.


    the "last messages" got debunked, all lies. the main source for western propaganda against Rassia and Syria, the "observer for human rights in Syria" is a one man show from london, a shop owner. really? yes, so stupid, but enough people are even more stupid to believe this shit. our lügenpresse (lieing media) continued with stupid claims especially about Aleppo, but now we know why, see above.



    they claimed dozens of times that Russia bombed hospitals (more often than ever hospitals in Aleppo existed), but the hospitals are still there. in opposit, Russian field hospitals got bombed by isis and al qaida, ordered by nato, and Russians died while treating the people from Alleppo. so u are afraid for the people from Aleppo? u are right in this, because nato and its stupid terrorists will try it another time.



    let's pray, that Trump is true in what he said and stops that interfering all over the world, the "regime changing" all over the world, that he will talk instead of bombing all over the world, that Trump will simply do the opposit of obama did, the owner of the nobel peace prize, a meanwhile absolutely worthless prize now. i still have some hope ...



    oh btw. as u can see above, i don't use any Russian sources ;) (but maybe a former uspna general is a Russian troll now, that would make sense indeed)

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  • @OP: Where are the human rights of the citizens who have a handicap and throw off the roof because their only pay and life sustain was removed due to "austerity" ? Or the other ones who lost their job and now get kicked out of their home by the banks? Or the elders who have to live with their sons again because the pension got partially cut yet again while prices keep going up ?


    @Huor

    Germany is surrounded by other countries - just in case we would act alone on our behalf and would open borders, every other nation around us could have closed it.


    We have open borders and welcome refugees and those which seek asylum - while every other nation around us would deny those people and violate human rights.


    Oh u forgot ? Dhey DID close it, its why they cant go OUT of Germany now, trapped in there and some minor country under germany influence. I mean they were closed all the time and they did NOT open them, pointing the way to Berlin for them is an effective way of keeping them out of their countries. And OP called them the "bad eastern countries" not agreeing to this shit... and his ideas like "we should force them to our will by cutting money"(as if it was their own money or have any right to) Try search this in his posts before. Who opened any borders ? Did any of the country on the way to Germany opened borders ? NO They just sent them over to your place. Greece was full of them before anyway which was worseing their economic crysis, now they are happy, just point a finger for them to Berlin. No more Greece news.



    @denne That explains why russians kept losing their diplomats in syria.

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