A few questions about Directx9

That was probably just a (bad) rumor, and by what I remember, Crossfire already has plans to adapt FL with Directx9.

Also there's no real way to make CF not allowed to use something that's actually public.

The simple answer is - they dont like us.

The game remains FL in big parts - DX9 does not change that fact.
Graphics are always nice. But our improvements on this area do look good enough. And believe me when i say there is a big improvement already reached in comparison to CF 1.9

Well, like Huor said... they dont like us.
It is no rumor that they disallow CF players to use the dx9 plugin, its an official statement made by the developers. Vishnu informed us about this fact just a few days ago.
It is a decision that i can not change or influence and the CF2.0 download will not contain that dx9 plugin. I am absolutely not interested to argue over this topic with these people.
We as team have discussed the option to build an own dx9 plugin but these plans are on ice as we would need much more support from modders and coders to do all the work in time.

To be honest, it does not even bother me that much. Huor said it... we have done some massive graphical updates to CF2.0 which should compensate the lack of the dx9 features. The last version of the dx9 plugin did not even work well with vanilla FL or mods other than FWTOW, so unless these problems get fixed for the final release (whenever that might be) the dx9 plugin will be of no use.

But probably Im wrong and the dx9 will be the best addition for FL ever.
In that case their decision to deny CF users to play with that plugin means to deny the use of the plugin to the majority of the FL community.
CF1.9 was released in october 2011... one year later the mod was downloaded from the official download sources (SWAT Portal, Moddb, Filefront and Strategy informer) incredible 111018 times (checked it today).
All other major FL mods together do not reach such a high number.... infact CF is one of the very few mods which brings new players to the game and motivate old ones to return over and over again.
A decision against CF is a decision against the Freelancer community as a whole. Thats like cutting in the own leg.
But... it is their decision (eventhough a childish one).

Just to come back to your initial question.
Their decision is not based on something we have done.... since infact we did no harm to them nor did we treat them unfair in any way. It is based on personal shit and different opinions.
The only one they hurt are the FL players.

In 2013 we will start to port Freelancer to a new game engine with directx11 support. At some time we will reach the point that we will have to think under which conditions we will release this new project and to whom. Im sure we will remember this dx9 plugin decision and return the favor then.

That a Moderator, or OP moved a post/thread of yours.

I hardly can keep you back. Good luck with it.

I would recommend to save your energy for more important stuff than to argue with them. I meanwhile do - it has no effect in the end. For them we are the bad evil and that wont change. And i would avoid to beg for something that in my eyes make the game not much better. Honestly i dont like their screens with the bump and heightmaps - ship surfaces have to much of distortion - some ships are looking as they are blown up from inside. (but that is my feeling, tastes are different). I know thats not all of the DX9 plugin - but probably something that most will recognize in big parts. About the other features i dont know but havent seen yet so much about it.

And just because there is a DX9 plugin wont bring that many players back to servers. Sure FWTOW will have a boost of players - but most likely a lot of STAR WARS fans. I am not yet convinced that DX9 will have the same effect for Discovery or SWWT mods (as an example).

lol
I remember a time when Huor went motivated there to talk with them and settle down things.
Now he sounds a bit like me... i guess sooner or later we all learn that lesson.

I would not worry that much. The freeworlds server has atm one player online (using the dx9 plugin)... 0.57 players averaged this year. A good mod is more than just some fancy graphics.

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.... A good mod is more than just some fancy graphics.

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In 2013 we will start to port Freelancer to a new game engine with directx11 support.

Do you know already which engine it will be ?
Just ask, because of anxiety that my machine (see my spec in signature) won't be capable to play in a "proper (every goodie 'n feature activated )" manner.

Let us forget "old" DX9 and concentrate at DX11 -12 maybe

really i have said you should save your energy... argumentations between both lead always to the same result (unfortunate). They have their MOD and we have ours. Both will have success. Even without DX9 plugin for Crossfire. We had no DX9 for nearly 10 years and imo we dont need it in the next 10 years.

I just can repeat myself: With CF 2.0 we made a big efforts to improve the graphics. And even i am impressed still to see the difference. I cannot say how much better it would look with DX9 but without it is still great. Just want to say: CF will not suffer just because we dont can make use of this plugin. In the end i would kindly avoid any weighting of this. We always were open minded and focused to say there is no better or worst. Each mod is different and its a players decision to like one or another feature - in the end all are playing Freelancer.

Just like I said above, everyone can make his/her own experience with them and learn that lesson in the hard way.
Take a look at the red line in my signature. That fits very well.

If their mod will be a success or not is something i can not say. But I can promise that CF2.0 will be a major success and that every modder out there will have a very hard job trying to achieve the graphics that we already have without dx9.
That we will have to release Crossfire 2.0 without dx9 support is actually not even correct... the download will contain 3 different dx9 injectors (not related to the one from Freeworlds) and our players can choose which look they like better.
If we ever intent to build an own FL released dx9 inject (or better to say if we have the time for that) then we for sure can do that since I have the source code of a working injector where we can add the features that we need bit by bit.

Personally I believe that the Freeworlds team will not release anything anytime soon. They wanted to release something 2 years ago... but nothing was released..... one year ago they said that everything is finished but they don't want to release it because of the Star Wars The old Republic release... and in the end they released a pretty buggy and unfinished demo months later. I think they are far away from releasing a good and working mod and that the recent activity over there is only to the upcoming mod awards.
-> yes we have november again and in a few weeks all this voting stuff starts again
Best time for showing activity and doing ads.

what if we just drop it and close this topic here. it (the topic) is really of no use for us.

well, its a valid question why CF players can not use the dx9 plugin and this question will appear over any over again once the plugin gets released

we hardly can avoid that

yeah a valid question - but we know the answer. Its simple math for me and for them too. 1 and 1 is two. Requesting the same question over and over again means in the end 2.
If we focus on other things we dont need to "waste" our energy to explain why 1 and 1 is 2.

So what about just making this a "Stickie" for all to read that have questions about Dx9 plug-in and let it go at that? Your comments remain valid without having to address each inquiry.

That's wy I asked about the next engine. (see above)