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There are 13 replies in this Thread. The last Post () by SWAT_OP-R8R.

    You all (who read the forum) read about the PX ban clarification OP made.
    This clarification turned out to be an complaining/ranting about what PX did wrong, as well as some people postet their very own experiences with PX members.


    What sense does it make to always blame others for making wrong turns?
    A conflict has ALWAYS 2 parties being involved.
    One partie initiating the shit and the other partie keeping the thing going and re-fueling the fire. (either with stupid comments, hanging the nose into other's businesses only to make themself being "important" or just showing off with no personal knowledge about ongoing stuff at all)
    MAYBE it would have been better/wiser to just ban the responsible persons from PX, than the whole clan instead. But this was OP's decission.
    MAYBE it would have been better/wiser to ALSO ban those people, who kept that conflict going, rather than trying to back down and calm the situation.
    MAYBE it would have been better/wiser to NOT sticking the own nose into other peoples business and using the forum and server as playground for personal apathy.
    MAYBE it would have been better/wiser to play the game instead of bullying/ranting/complaining about others.
    There are so much MAYBE's but it does not change anything, since the past can NOT be changed at all.
    And the decission from OP to ban the whole PX-clan does not mean none of the PX members can/will return. Since it was not the whole clan messing things up. Whether due misinterpretations, misunderstandings, misguidiance.
    It also does not mean that the whole PX clan "destroyed" cop vs. pirate RP


    Some of you guys, blame the whole PX for what happend. Which I think, is a wrong move. Or have you really met ALL of their members? Have you played with ALL of them? Can you judge the whole PX?
    If thats the case, then I personally think, that ALL cops are running from RP. Only because I met (oh no, I didnt meet) some who always run, who always log off and who always switch chars to avoid RP.
    Does this make sense to you? Blaming all from one partie, because 1 or 2 or maybe 3 messed things up? To me it doesn't make any sense. But THIS is exactly whats happening here by some "important" people.
    Think about please.


    I only stated MY OWN experiences with PX nothing else.
    THIS got downrated with the comment: "-10 my cents. nothing personal."
    I turned via PM to ask what sense it makes, and if this is the way how it turns when peoples very own experiences (which have NOT been negative) are being made public. And that it seem not being welcomed at all, when people do NOT have negative experience with other players/clans.


    Later this user made his own post on this thread interpreting me saying PX being the best clan in the world. - which is bull*****, since I never even mentioned it.
    Because of this, I prepared a reply to clarify my statement being made and that I only posted on MY OWN behave and NOT anyone elses experience.
    Unfortunately, the thread got closed right that minute when I was sending my reply, so it didn't show up and the reply was gone too.
    Ok - it happens - I just took it the way it was, leaving it as it is so I wouldn't force any other sensless discussion appearing.


    As I logged back into the forum, I made another exciting, but not really impressing discovery.
    Having another negative rating on the very same post, from a different user. The one who has to comment on every single post being made, without thinking about it before.
    "Remembered about this after Husker's post, it was a good try to find good examples at PX but remember who made this a platform to complain." (linked to the screenshot, in case it gets changed again, like usual)


    THIS comment/behaviour made me finally open this thread.




    And again. I personally did NOT have negative experience with any PX-members, not on the forum or on the server itself.
    If I get blamed for not having any issues with other people, then I think it's the problem of the people who have a problem with that.
    Since I get "criticized" for getting along with other people, then those who can't handle it do have a serious personal issue.
    Since people like Michael, do constantly seek for something they can blame others for, without understanding or pusposly ignoring whats written, it will always have negative influence on whatever is being made.
    I didn't bother with him, since he is "right" and Im "wrong" and it always turns into flaming about nonsense. But HE keeps seeking for crap only to discredit me. For whatever reason.


    And only for your information.
    I did NOT re-open the original thread only to post this, because I RESPECT other moderators decissions and do NOT overrun their words, only to make my own statement. Even Griffin told me, that I could easily have done that.


    Thanks

    Just so you and others know,


    I too had no personal bad experiences with any members of the PX clan. I can only assume that there was much that I was not involved in that led to the current situation. Obviosly OP did what he considered the correct course of the moment. This whole stuff about who's right and who's wrong really is of no matter. Until people can play the game and keep RP to what its should be (ie RP) theres going to be issues. Personally I think many of these things should have been resolved in different manor.


    I can see how many PX clan members can feel that they may have been unfairly treated in the current situation, I also hope that many will try and return through the correct ways of doing such. It's a drag to see AD being verbally attacked for having an opinion.


    This stuff is once again things that I have no vested interest in one way or the other. I vote to take a step back and remember that it is a game and why you play a game.


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    Well. I don't know what was going on between the clans. It was and is none of my business. And I honestly don't care.
    I only told my personal experience, which have not been bad at all.
    I dont know why and I dont care why.
    But getting discredited because of NOT having any issues with others, is what I think goes wrong. Getting meanings put into my posts which are not even mentioned at all, is wrong as well.
    And blaming a whole clan for something a few members have done, is also wrong.
    But I'm not to judge it. I only say what it looks like to me.


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    Gunny: Try to understand please. Not everyone has bad experience and it was only meant as example for a better understanding.


    PX (as clan) gets/got blamed for what just a few members (not all) have done.


    in EXAMPLE (e.g.) compared to any other clan.
    SMG (as example) - you can replace it with whatever clan you like
    One member of this clan is constantly running from everything to avoid every confrontation. And/or ONE member of it, is constantly posting BS everywhere and spreading rumors and lies.
    Taking this and blaming the whole clan for what ONE member does. Saying that the whole SMG (as example) is running and avoiding everything. That SMG (as example) is posting BS everywhere and spreading rumors and lies.


    Does THIS seem to be right? Does THIS seem to be a fair treatment to SMG (as example), knowing that NOT all of them have done wrong things?
    I dont think this would be right, do you?


    It has been OP's decission, to ban PX. And we have to live with it. Some are pleased and happy now, others are not.
    Some are feeling "right" others feel "wrong".


    But WE as players (as Orion well said, being guests on the server and forum)
    Do WE really have the "right"
    - to discredit a whole clan, knowing its not the whole clans fault?
    - to blame ALL at once of that clan for mistakes some have made?
    - to keep complaining about what has been done wrong by the whole clan, well knowing that not all did turn wrong?
    - to keep ranting about other peoples behaviour well knowing that the own behaviour is not a bit better, but only covered in different words and opinions?


    Sad thing is that it had to come that far. But we are human beings and most of them are tending to be happy when an opponent gets booted out of the arena. Gives the feeling of "winning" something, doesnt it?
    Even more sad is, that some people did not even think about stepping back (no matter of what costs) in order to calm down the situations long time ago. No, they prefered to heat it up with arguing about it.


    Do you guys honestly think, that such things are going to improve anything?


    And the whole thing does get even worse, when it comes to discredit people who only tell THEIR experience which have not been bad.
    It's not wanted, I know. It's more nice to see all people going against those, who have been punished already.
    It gives the impression, that people who dont have bad experience with the "booted" ones, have no right to tell anything postiv about people who have been branded as the bad guys destroying everything.


    This is what I initially meant, when making the first post.


    Edit: I replaced the clan example with SMG, so no one can even pretend to feel offended.

    A GR can onyl deal with stuff that was put on the GRs desk. And then you should have the patience until this letter can be dealt with.


    And about this a GR is not supposed to put his nose into another ones clan business - at least not in the amount to deal with an entire clan. Therefor each clan has the ability to put an own GR in action.
    And please dont mix the responsibility of GRs with eventmanagers like ASF/CSF commanders. Its quite of another level of responsibility.

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    Many "maybe's"... well... I dont know what would have happened if the entire situation would have been different.
    But I did not make a decision without having options. Options that I considered before i did the ban on the entire clan.
    The ban was issued on PX as clan... not on individual members as it was the clan itself which was acting against the rules.
    DW knew what would happen if PX as clan keeps going on their "we stand high above all others including the admin"-course.
    I explained my situation and views to him 2 months ago and got like in every following discussion ignored.
    The question if it would have been better to ban just DW or the PX Leaders is not a matter of "maybe"... it would have changed nothing.
    It would have not stopped the problems and it would have just caused further anger which in the end would have prevented that PX members and the other CF players start to think about the situation.
    Sometimes it requires a hard decision to make something good done.


    And lets face it... I gave PX a final chance by registering on their website and requesting that their claims (which violated serverrules) get finally removed.
    Answers like "patience please", "say the magical word" or sick pictures are not really appropriate responses.
    I am not begging "please follow the server rules"... I demand it.
    If people think they can ignore me will get removed from this server. -> that is an appropriate answer.
    My bad experience with PX is called Daywalker... and the thread on the PX forum.


    My final decision itself did not happen from one moment to the other.
    There were many tries to resolve the situation aswell as many incidents which finally have lead to this mess.
    Ive lost several weeks on the CF2.0 development just because i tried to deal with PX.
    With the countless PMs between DW and me and the threads on the leader board you could meanwhile fill several books.
    It went even that far that i offered my resignation if DW can find someone to replace (like he claimed).


    In the end the ban was against PX as clan which did something wrong.
    PX members can get their 2nd chance.


    Gunny
    Here at the portal people can say what they need to say as long it is not against the rules. You personally got several times "silenced" because you went personal on threads, used to swear (partly insulted) and went totally off topic in official threads.
    And you are no exception as this happened to many people (no matter of what faction).
    Follow the rules and you get heard.


    @all
    the rating is a way to show agreement or disagreement with somebodies opinion
    dont take it that personal... no matter what has been rated -> it does not hurt anyone

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    Abras... about the "some of you accused the whole of PX" part, at least on personal level I agree that it's not very fair, as I even offered help to certain newer PX members, proved in that same thread that got closed.


    And, I disagreed by then (but avoided to comment in public about it) and do it again now, BUT with reasons, not out of nowhere, see below, as this time you prefer to attack me in 2 occasions in a single thread rather than leaving it like how it was, closed and over.


    Not counting your accusation that I change stuff which are repeated since the times I could editt your posts but you never had an example to prove your accusations...
    I don't think/disagree that half of that post you linked are YOUR OWN experiences as you claim.



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    "you" is used in plural as well as singular forms. Its totally useless to quarrel about the "you" as long its not clear in the context, if either a single person or a group of persons is meant.
    And if you (both) think you can start another argue war here on the publicity then you are wrong! I will make sure the threads get closed if it continues. Eventually deleted.


    Anyway can we please deal with other topics then the ban. For example play the game and leave the rest for the persons in charge!
    If we would like to know what each other thinks about everyone else we could post this on facebook - the master collection of useless opinions on the market (and honestly i would be happy not to read all the useless crap here :))

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    husker:
    I dont think you got the point of it, did you?
    EVERYONE has his/her own experience in this matter. No matter what faction or clan.
    And I just stated mine, to show that not everything what PX members made, has been bad.
    You might have made bad ones along with others, I did not make any bad experience along with others as well.
    I have no clue how many members PX had. lets assume 20
    Now ranting over a whole clan, includes ALL members. Which means that all 20 members have made bad things, which I can NOT really believe.


    And thats my entire point. With this "bad talking" and blaming, you (all) also talk bad about people, you probably have never played with, only because they have the PX tag.
    Which does not really help to play together. In fact it's putting people you don't even know in a drawer, along with people you have had bad experiences with.
    Roleplay-talk is one thing. But this whole "behaviour" is way below that level, we should have in this community, I think. Don't you think so?
    And I don't mean OP with banning the clan, I mean people/players/WE still "talking bad" instead of learning out of it. Just look at some post being made on the clarification thread.


    People expect a "better" community, a "nicer" behaviour, a fair play with each other. But such things happening, does NOT show anything toward this direction.
    This is just sad. sorry.


    OP:
    I think I got your point.



    ps: screens exist. And I seriously hope that one day will come, that you won't get away with such things that easily.


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    PX had 26 members. Ofc if you think you may only remenber 6 or 7 of them. But overall we were all the evil that happened to "certain people".


    I wanna give my special thanks to people who share time and fun with me over the last 3 years.


    1. To all PX. I ve played several online games, but i never had such a friendly clan, stronguer and organized clan. It helped the fact almost all menbers are over 30 years and "we dont need to prove we are the men" I ve learn all from you and later i teach many of you what i know. Thank you very much guys.


    2. althought what many say, i have cops that i love to play. Almost all DC are great. They are a litle inactive but they were all great. Even fighting against each other i always had tons of fun. And btw when they were active they were the stronguest police clan.
    Maxbur my friend i wish you the best of luck, love to pvp with you, becouse it feels i am fighting against myself.
    BG flying sys. Another great guy that helped me a lot in the beginning. SA zeroth another great dude, always willing to learn.


    3. SMG Clan. What could i say to these guys. Abras, myric, picard, Werter, drdoom, eclypsia, argos, ice, metalduck. Simply awesome people. Strong like hell and always epic batles. I made so many friends in this clan. I wish you all the best.


    4. LP clan. Mara my rum drunk. always fun, always joking around. Knightshade you are almost as hated as me. people simple love to chase you. I wonder why :P 50 pack for 50 cents is also a great guy. Good luck rebuilding LP clan and CSF


    5. Black ops / GoP. if i say another word i ll be hanged and burn with flame fire. But you were the most harrased clan i ever saw in CF.
    I know many of you are still around. take your time and have fun. Always loved when you guys rented farnkfurt. Epic batles there :)


    6 Freelancers. SHS and bullet. i take my hat becouse you guys manage alone to put all cops crying until you get banned.


    7. To all community. I will take a vecances. Still have many new games to try.
    When i return i will try something new. So its not a goodbye but an I see you soon

    @Cresthen
    you are right... i spend much time explaining what happened... not only because it was requested in first place but also because there is still much misunderstanding
    actually the only point i have to make is that all this is not a matter of personal opinions or disagreements... its a matter of rules and the way how people play together
    ive stopped explaining the reasons at the PX forum as it does not play a big role anymore
    but it might matter that people here understand what went wrong... to do it better and to prevent further troubles


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    Cleaned, keep it on topic, no more flaming or arguing extraneously.


    For those that will bitch and complain about me "being biased towards my friends", I removed posts from Gunny, Forlon, Husker, Cresthen, Michael, afGun, and Devil, so don't go accusing me of bias, when I don't have any problems with most of these people.

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    maybe it wasnt
    maybe it just made no sense anymore after the others were removed

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    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


    This is ten percent luck,
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    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will,
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