Comments for reducing BS cargo change in CF 1.9

Thx for quoting my complaint about something which is obviously not balanced at all

that is why Op told me not to worry about it since it will be fixed in 1.9

have a nice day

I little cleaned "Crossfire 1.9 Changes thread and move here discussion.

well, why not fix the licenses too then? By restricting BMG trade to a smuggler's license you solve all the problems regarding this area.

To be honest, I think that trading in Bships is unbalancing the mod in the first place. Battleships are for fighting not trading...but don't expect people to do this by themselves because people adapt, that's what we've been doing for the past 40.000 years (or more) so that in the end we could play CF and post on forums^^.

It seems to me that the whole economy thing is somewhat unbalanced...I bet that there is an economist or two among the ranks of the players sow why not ask them to analyse the CF economic model and maybe put in suggestions on what needs to be done in this regard. Following their conclusions, we can set goals as to what has to be changed and chose the means to do it.

P.S. Although I agree with Elusive on the part where changes are demanded and implemented (right away) on some aspects of the game, while other aspects (reported and debated, etc) remain unresolved and ignored; I have to agree with Spiky on the fact that the BS is now an "ubership" and for the sake of balance, no such thing must exist. Also, I understand that there is a Persephone/Lagg missile tracking issue...Despite these observations, I am not "demanding" anything, only pointing out what I observed and by doing so express my respect and gratitude for the existence of CF in the first place.

All works in progress is my understanding.

BS cargo has been reduced. No point in crying about it.

It takes just a few clicks to delete the mod and close the server. Considering all the bullshit that I had to read during the past days I am very close from doing so.

You ppl appear to be visiting this forum, yes... but you understand not a single word.
All you can do is talk stupid bullshit and blame each other... and now even I get dragged into this shit.
You have no idea about all the stuff that is going on but still you think to be an expert. You think you can tell me what I have to do? After all those years that this community and this mod successful you think to know stuff better than I do? You think you can tell me how my mod should look like or which "impossible" things I have to mod?

You tell me something about fixing battleships... something that I have done and announced 3 months ago (even in a seperated thread right at the CF mod section). You have not even an idea how balancing looks like as you focus on your limited point of view.
Linking licences with BMGs? What? Did nobody tell you that this can not be done with normal FL modding? I think I have explained that at least 3 times over the past year.
What? What do I read? Balancing traderoutes... Daywalker had to correct me a few weeks ago when there was a discussion about the same topic. There are more than 10million possible traderoutes in CF. You want to balance them by hand? Ok we release the mod 2044.

Do you ppl actually read the forum? Do you actually care about the work we do for ALL the players out there? Or do you simply ignore us and our reasons for doing something?

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is that a fact?!?!? he told you? well... good for the both. Eg, i am not a kisser, never been interested to please OP. One's actions are more relevant...

...so what are your actions actually? I am yet waiting to see them.

woooo, woooo....I just made a suggestion. I was not reffering to the trade routes alone. That wasn't the point. The point is smuggling. Usually there is a balance between the "Smuggling goods" and the legal goods. Whilst the legal goods are easier to trade and profit is low, the illegal ones are harder to trade but the profit is high. Depending on request and offer, the illegal goods can be made harder to trade and the legal ones easier in order to balance stuff out.

This can be done in a whole range of ways, from what Spiky suggested (making battleships vulnerable to cds -as it would be only normal-) to increasing cargo size for trains and reducing speed, etc, etc, etc...thusly increasing the risk of smuggling while the values remain untouched.

About the license stuff: I'm sorry if I don't have the time to play as much as I would like or to go through every piece of information on the forum. Last I knew about this, if I remember correctly, Haegar was going over the problem to see if it can be done. Nevermind, there's more ways of restricting BMG trade than this.

Did I say anything about balancing trade routes by hand? Also, did you read the last part of what I wrote: "Despite these observations, I am not "demanding" anything, only pointing out what I observed and by doing so express my respect and gratitude for the existence of CF in the first place."

About elusive, he reffers to playing the game. that's just about the only action available (I'm saying this as a PX representative).

What if we just can wait until the next version is out instead of posting every little opinion about what can be done in which way more than just one time.
BSses are already reworked, market goods are already reworked. You dont have an insight so far - so it makes no sense to assume or disucss about what how when...

IF one of the suggestions would have been possible (which is not the case) then we would have considered it. IF anything of that would be an option then we would have used it.

And taking the same topic over and over again while not accepting the "no" is demanding.

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Stop being offending! And stop naming OP God - thats blasphemy

Sorry.

The thing with human beings is, even if they have everything they want, they want more. It's such a common phenomenon.

What is actually the problem I wonder, why people ask and ask for more and more, even though there has been done a lot? Is it maybe because the extend of the mod makes the game appear like a
game that "has" to fullfill certain requirements? Because I don't think it has to. Freelancer as a game was limited from the beginning in aspects of Multiplayer. There were simple task you could do, but nothing really worth achieving, worth spending hours upon. Crossfire, like many other mods, did a lot of pioneer work in this area, that has to be RESPECTED. Just because there are many mods out there doesn't mean the achievments and contents of one doesn't matter anymore. I mean, dude, it's 2011 and we're still playin' a game from 2003 or earlier, seriously, common.

I loved Freelancers SP and now, for the first time there is a real chance that we will get an SP part of Freelancer, that continues this great story with a rich universe, that was created during the years of its creation. If it was for me, I would SELL it as an Addon, not just offering it for free, but that's what we are getting, and awesome extension to the game we all love so much, for free.

So why piss off the one guy, that sacrifices so much time for a huge entairtainment experience for all Freelancer lovers? If you do have something to contribute, do it in a civilized manner. I mean you don't walk up to an Artist and say, that HAS to be like that, not like this. You don't walk to a programmer and say, no you have to code it like this, not like that.

Our part as a community is to tell the OP what and how we would like to have it, and the OP will try to fullfill those wishes, but you can't do things that ain't doable, from outside it's always simple to judge, to say "it's not that much, just that and that". I mean modding must be a f****** intensive and time consuming entreprise, I myself can't imagine how much workload there was and will be when thinking about all those textures, models, graphical enhancements, balancing works etc. I mean just from my point as someone who has dealt at a low-level with things such as these I can imagine how much effort went into this mod.

So don't forget, you as the community do have the right to contribute your thoughts when asked for, even if means reporting bugs and other issues, but you don't have any privilege to ask for things, especially if you are not invovled in the modding process.

Bitte bring Crossfire 1.9 mit neuer SP raus, egal wie lange es dauert, FL ist das einzige Sci-Fi game das ich überhaupt spielen vermag und wenn die Story endlich mal auf eine Weise enden könnte, würde das für sehr viele glaube ich viel bedeuten.

You do a great job OP.

1) "Severe violation of server rules"
this has been dealt by me personally and with the activation of a security mechanism

"Server Commands"

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ex. /changemyname

ex. /setchar password <*****>

ex. /drawcash <charname> <password> <amount>

ex. /givecash <charname> <amount>

ex. /showcash <charname> <password>

ex. /setmsgslot 1 (this will have the number of slots you'll consider useful, ex 10)

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a similar request was done at the CF1.9 wishlist
the decision about it was a clear "no"

"/changemyname " would open the server to any cheater without having the chance to punish them anymore
"/drawcash <charname> <password> <amount> " we decided against it as it makes no sense introducing such a command that would slow down the serverload by additional I/O access when EVERY player is naturally able to hold up to 20 billion $ per account
" /givecash <charname> <amount> " will not happen FL lives by the interaction between players (and that includes money transfers)
"/showcash <charname> <password> " will also not happen as we already have detailed character statistics including the money of each char
"/setmsgslot 1 (this will have the number of slots you'll consider useful, ex 10)" clearly has no priority over all the other changes we still have to do

I am a modder, not a FLhook coder so even if i would want to do changes i wouldnt be able to do them.

2) my "difficulties regarding dealing with users" has lead me to the point that i am running the 2 oldest and biggest FL communities on the net including the most popular FL mod
question is what kind of users I have to deal with... those that act normal or those which post pretty offensive stuff that is to an large extent against the rules of this community

3) for being respectful your initial post on this thread was by far respectless, sorry to say that (but probably you just had a bad day)

4) harassment is a serious issue, but if i remember correct there are clear guidelines how to deal with it (or do the console messages not work anymore)

5) dont worry, everyone gets accused for cheating sooner or later by someone, not even the admin is an exception from this

6) yeah i know, I am the main developer of CF... Ive started working on the new version on 14th december 2010 and since that I have worked every damn day on it since that day... worst thing on that is that next to that I am running 2 major FL communities and still have a private life and a job to do
so excuse me if i am not everywhere doing everything at request

7) thanks for that

that is good

9) very good, agreed

10) mistakes happen

11) i can understand that very well as i receive every complaining of every player

12) ok

13) it is

14) i dont agree as ive seen the opposite often enough

15) I wouldnt want to judge about which side I belong. All i am interested in is to do something constructive.