Market balacing, input needed

I think OP has announced changes to battleships that go in this direction (less cargo I believe),
as this "issue" with BS doing trading as already been brought up?

BMG only available to smugglers would be nice indeed.
(and I am thinking police could finally "seize" illegal cargo without being called "corrupt", if being
the only way to obtain such goods is beeing by arresting smugglers? same deal with pirates if
need to seize a trader to get BMGs - and possibly re-sell them afterwards for extra "benefits"?)

Minimum cargo of a BS should not be less than 150 @Abras, it´s already a pita to change the battleship turrets on a destroyer (which has 150 Cargo hold) making the hold 50 will make you docking one time per turret and the usage of Weight Reducers on BS wouldn´t be possible anymore. Also if it would be 150 the profit would be that less that noone would use it anymore. On the other hand i didnt saw OP asking for ship changes - just for our meaning about the market files.

A classical no to the Trains for Smugglers only - makes no sence for me because it would limit the top RP on only one Faction which is atm. inexistant and would be targeted by everyone. If you have the money buy the Train for whatever you will need it -> but probably it will cost lets say 600 Mil? and the Battleship 800 Mil? I don´t think that it would be a good idea to reduce a key benefit from CF with making it impossible for some not to use any ship, also it would not be well accepted imO.

There is way more music in the Ships as we are currently playing atm. i even didn´t used all new ones from 1.8 yet but i would like to with time. Ofc. we are humans so we would most likely cry for the ships we can´t get where others can and we would most likely call it an unfair advantage for the others and so on. Don´t we have problems enough?

Just a thought. Ofc. this will not count for anyone reading this here - only for everyone else

I agree with Abras' post that I copied below....entirely, 100%. I would like to add ( but I know this is not going to happen) , if you engage in smuggling or activity contrary to your RP, then your rep starts to be effected. So if you lose your rep status for youe chosen profession, then you can't hold the license. That will keep people within their boundaries for sure.

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The general idea is to keep it kinda realistic, isnt it?<br>
RP-license available on the related stations? good! in that way you pic from the beginning what you wanna do. <br>
You want to be a cop? act as a cop and fight criminals. In other words, you HAVE to be friendly with the cop's to actually BE one of them. <br>
You want to be criminal? sure! But be aware that you ARE HOSTILE with the cops in order to be a true criminal person in sirius!<br>
In my opinion, only the mercs and smugglers are tending to be neutral to both fractions (cops and pirates) since they can be hired by both sides (mercs) and also working for both sides (smugglers)<br>
And ofc the freelancer itself should be neutral to all fractions, UNTIL they decide to take part at the RP, which leads them to the point, where they WILL HAVE TO decide which way to go!<br>
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Ship purchasing: <br>
Sure, why not making it different! Police having their Fighters, which are NOT available for pirates. And same thing the other way around. <br>
But then another question would appear. What ships do you consider as "police"-ships and which ones would be the "pirate"-ships?<br>
Same for equipment. Being able to purchase the weapons and equipment just on certain bases (depending on your faction) would be a good idea. In this way you would have to show that you are a true member of your faction, BEFORE you can purchase the desired equipment.<br>
Ammunition, I would make it available. Not just on the RP-based factions, but also on the ones you are neutral with.<br><br>
but another thing. <br>
why making the ability to purchase ships depending if you are in good (friendly) terms with the fraction of the base/station?? <br>
make it the way, that you HAVE TO BE HOSTILE with the OPPONENT fraction<br>
Isnt there a way to make it possible, that you only be able to purchase the ship or equipment you want, if you are hostile with their fractions opponent? (not their allies) <br>
so the message would not say, <br>
"you have to be friendlier to the faction of the base, in order to purchase this item!" <br>BUT<br>
"you have to be HOSTILE to xy in order to purchase this item!"<br>
just an idea<br><br>
Market commodities. <br>
BMG not available for pirates or cops at all, or for an higher ammount of money. (so its nearly worthless to even consider to trade them, for those factions)<br>
'Neutral' goods available for all fractions, with the SAME payout for ALL. (so no one can even start complaining that their is NO good trade)<br>
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transports & co:<br>
only smugglers should have the option to purchase a ship with an very high cargo hold. <br>
pirates, cops and mercs should get trading ships with less cargo. <br>
and in order to make an exorbitant ammount of money, they WILL have to trade a lot, or do their RP (fining, robbing) more properly!<br><br>
another point. <br>
BS's should NOT be able to get used as a trading ship for ALL fractions<br>
first, it spoils RP very fast. second, it makes it nearly impossible to even tax or fine it, not to mention to kill it. <br>
you will die more times than you will get out before you even kill that thing to begin with. So the one who uses this one as trading ship, has an unfair advantage to the others and is also kind of avoiding RP<br>
Isn't a Battle ship called BATTLE ship? and not TRADING ship. <br>
Also the prices for the BS's should be drasticly increased, so not everyone would go ahead and purchase one of those in order to either tax, or fine or just kill others, cause they are soo tough<br>
Reducing the cargo hold would be one of the options. <br>
iE: The Osiris has a cargo hold of 1000. 400 of it is blocked (used) by whatever already. In fact you have 600 cargo hold left to transport commodities<br>
The APC has a cargo hold of 450 which is just 50 less than the Osiris has (according to the current ammount of maximum you can purchase from ONE item on each base/station)<br>
Since the Osiris can dock everywhere like the APC and the Osiris is even faster and nearly unstoppable for fighters (before they die onces) why should someone use the APC in order to trade then??<br>
making the cargo hold size reduced to .. lets say 50 would be more realistic, since no one would trade in a BS, to actually increase their money!<br>
maybe they would do it, just to tease the opponent. but why shoudl I (as a pirate) bother with that? I dont want to die, just to push the opponents ego :)<br><br>
my 2 cents

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Second note: From what I am reading in Op's original post, I suspect a char-wipe would be required?

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I would like to add ( but I know this is not going to happen) , if you engage in smuggling or activity contrary to your RP, then your rep starts to be effected.

This would be a good idea, theroetically, practically: If ppl generaly using fake accounts to retreat from their choosen Clan RP where is the point to limit something in making the Gameplay deeper? It would be only a disadvantage for those playing by the rules.

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This would be a good idea, theroetically, practically: If ppl generaly using fake accounts to retreat from their choosen Clan RP where is the point to limit something in making the Gameplay deeper? It would be only a disadvantage for those playing by the rules.

Essentially nothing would change, hence the reason why I am broke.......

I intend on smuggling tonight. See if I can arrest myself.

On Topic: I think tying people to a faction just like NPC would work great. Maybe afterwards, cops can have a selection of paintjobs on their rp specifc fighters or traders, representing police.

market is prety balanced
bmg balace the mining (in 1.9) wat abaut my idea of random stations go hostle for a day ?

dunno if this is a matter of balancing. but somehow we should look for the goods, where they can be sold and bought. As example: Lately i had a good that was best bought in Gagarin and best sold in California. I doubt someone ever would do this run. Hence we should somehow see that we have special goods spread in the whole universe for sure but held locally. Thus for this example a good from Gagarin can be sold not more far than Sovetskaya for example. So speaking mostly about the new systems as for the vanilla systems this is not a matter, the ways for traveling through 5 vanilla systems is nearly the same as traveling through 2 new systems. The equality is somewhat out of order regarding this matter.

Doesn't matter how many trade routes CF has, they are pointless if no one is using them. Besides highly profitable BMG routes repeat about ones a week.

If you had to be friendly with a faction to buy a commodity, you might find you can't sell it due to the fact that best place to sell it is hostile and you can't dock. This would be a difficult problem to resolve especially with a random market. I think it wuld be best not to to alter this aspect. However, having to be smuggler to smuggle I think is a good idea.