Botts / Batts and reloading

Quote from Gunny

SHS: I think you are what we called " two faced". Cops are ganging up on you? I can't imagine why, when you set a dozen bounties a day on the same players, over and over and over again....then you flee. You and your cohorts are frequently in Police clan space and out numbering the cop ( usually 2 o3 v 1 ), so don't complain about you having to defend against 2 or 3 police. You and your associates are often killing level 40'ish players without warning, as witnessed by many. So if you are going to make claims, make sure you tell the whole story. You reap what you sow.

See you in space

2 face hmmmmmmmmmmmm
you know wat I LIKE THAT IT IS AWSOME

enough now... the intended message "fight with honor, don't reload no matter the situation" has been debated enough and it starts to go to personnal insults... Do like OP did, either reload you too or teach a lesson with your guns to those who do. The old fashioned way.

husker
you would be surprised how much actually can be done

A friendly advice:

lol

Isnt suicde not allowed? Anyway who cares about Bunnies?
I would fight for the poor bats that get wasted nowadays. Havent they also the right to have a mechanical life?

@ HUOR

Proof of names. Something to go on besides "Someone does that. Someone does this." and leaving room for interpretations. Like pointing a finger at us for every miserable thing that's been going on here. Proof of suicides if claimed, proof of anything that can be prooven. I've been pretty explicit...

@ Gunny

Please go on and read what I wrote again. I am not saying that you speak 100% falsely only that you intoxicate people with information if you do not use proof of what you claim or, more importantly WHO you claim to have transgressed, leaving a wide open door for misinterpretation and pointing a silent finger at us, because that's where it all leads to these days. Try playing fair for a chance and do things the right way, like having screens with what you claim or at least NAMING those you accuse. Or at least stay silent if you don't know WHO you accuse and save it for later when you will have all the information you need.

@ Op

I'm afraid you are mistaken, this thread has a very exact purpose. That of Gunny picking on people that do not share his unilateral views and desperately trying to reconquest some of that legitimity that he lost with tons of posts about accusations and mischief without posting a single thread of evidence.

SHS

It may not mean much but as I see it, you are not right. If you know that there is this informal rule then the good thing would be to obey it, as others do. No reload means no reload all the same in a 1x1 and in a 1x100. The natural consequence of not obeying a place's "customs" is atracting the anger of people. No server or rp rules have been broken but on the other hand people are not happy about this. My advice would be to keep this in mind for the future and obey the rules that everybody obeys, spoken or unspoken. If you see others breaking them, make a screen if possible or try to gather proof and let us record these kind of incidents and make a database out of it, instead of a 10000 terra database of flames, bickering and unjustly accusing others.

Stephano
no i am not wrong on that one
this thread is about a topic that does not belong here, it belongs to the server
anybody who wants changes has to do them there and not here on the forum

@ Gunny

I did not say that you are the "fall guy" for the server problems. I did say, however that in my opinion (and sadly it's not only mine) you are one factor of the problem. EDIT: Among others, because there's a huge range of problems some occuring naturally within a community of people, some artificially as a result of the first.

Given the fact that you blindly post tons of information regarding misconduct without mentioning NAMES and without any thread of proof, there is a very big chance that the persons behaving in this manner are not identified and their actions not recorded, leaving them room for future misconducts.

Information that cannot be veryfied will be eventually lost, misinterpreted (by chance or purpously) and it will become useless after it will stop fueling the "flames" (which can be a probable reason for preffering to relay information inacurately). Therefore, information that cannot be verified and managed can and 99.9% of the time will be unreliable, distorted or down-right false.

Introducing this kind of information to a community and presenting it as true and accurate is by all definitions, informational intoxication.

@ Op

I think that we are both right. If Gunny wanted to change things for the best and not stirr up a hornet's nest with accusations he would have done it in a more elegant fashion, without distributing false rumors and accusations, like a republican on an election day^^.

However you look at it, this is not beneficial because it draws more on people's quarrels and differences than it draws on the passion we all share.

P.S @ Gunny -> You've been throwing yourself under busses since I got here 2 years ago and probably loooong before that so I think that there's no need for that statement.
P.P.S @ Gunny -> If you were a player you would have pm-ed SHS with this information or made a neutral post without acusations and all, asking the moderator to close it shortly afterwards. The purpouse is to attract attention on a subject and not comment on it and rebuke people, starting a flame that leads nowhere.

Do I just think you are fighting a whatnot battle against Gunny. I often have when you start arguing with Gunny. I can clearly say there are people on the server who reloaded in pvps - no veterans for me but new players. What proof do you want - my eyes belong to me. So i dont know what you are referring to Steph. The purpose of this thread is pretty clear for me. And no its not Gunny want to make the whole server bad. He just mentioned what seems to be usual today what was not in former times.

Furthermore the game would fail as is if we would not every incident, every way a player crosses systems, just to have a prove for something that need no proof. Where are we that we are at such a level. Not in court, or?
I for myself trust my eyes - they have lead me through my whole life and they did good so far When this is equal to what Gunny is referring here too in general. People who reload by purpose or not - know now that its considered not to be honorable and that we have our reasons why we have such a regulation here. They must not be named if you ask me. It was a general note to all - more or less.

Hence a general note to all means no one is excluded - thus naming names would fail to be a general note.

@ Huor...I'm afraid that you've got thing very wrong, that is not my message at all.

I know you trust your eyes and Gunny trusts his but why don't you help the rest of us by naming WHO you've seen reloading in battle so that we may build up a database of such stuff SO that we don't neccessarily have to have this conversation in the future? <- This is the message. What's not clear?

You want to make a complaint? Very simple:
_________________________________________
Name of offender(s): X, Y, Z
Date: XX.XX.XXXX
Name of witness/person that took the screen: H
Attachements: pic 1, pic 2, pic 3

Description:

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
(Buffalo Springfield - For What it's Worth)

___________________________________________
-> Send it to a GR that will put the complaints in a database. Then we can see who's got 20 suicide complaints, 100 batt/bot complaints and so on and so forth and actually see if things are going for better or for worse and what to do about it.

Is it that hard? It's not about Gunny, it's about things being more orderly and done properly instead of the mess we're all soaking in. There is at least one solution to every problem but the real question is if one wants to get out of the shit hole and take a shower or crawl even more into it, to sum it up in a metaphor.

thats right gunny i wona see you step low
i wona see you beg for credits

i suspect that big batles are w8 for us in 1.9. op made 1 pot to cost 500k so vega will become very popular place.
or alaska
full gargo on redemption will cost 40 mil, AND YOU CAN DO THAT ALL DAY EVERY DAY. a nice competision for bmg

well you know having untag chars is forbiten : )

Quote from StephanoV

@ Huor...I'm afraid that you've got thing very wrong, that is not my message at all.

I know you trust your eyes and Gunny trusts his but why don't you help the rest of us by naming WHO you've seen reloading in battle so that we may build up a database of such stuff SO that we don't neccessarily have to have this conversation in the future? <- This is the message. What's not clear?

You want to make a complaint? Very simple:
_________________________________________
Name of offender(s): X, Y, Z
Date: XX.XX.XXXX
Name of witness/person that took the screen: H
Attachements: pic 1, pic 2, pic 3

Description:

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
(Buffalo Springfield - For What it's Worth)

___________________________________________
-> Send it to a GR that will put the complaints in a database. Then we can see who's got 20 suicide complaints, 100 batt/bot complaints and so on and so forth and actually see if things are going for better or for worse and what to do about it.

Is it that hard? It's not about Gunny, it's about things being more orderly and done properly instead of the mess we're all soaking in. There is at least one solution to every problem but the real question is if one wants to get out of the shit hole and take a shower or crawl even more into it, to sum it up in a metaphor.

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No use of this, Stephanov if we do not take some serious actions without all this that u claim u need for such obvious things, you know what will happen with this server?
I hope that PX want good fun and many gfs, but fact is: Some ppl here are just here to spoil the fun.And believe me, if we don't take responsibility for all this, server may become the very bad place.Better read what ur clan leader wrote, few min or maybe few hours sometimes will help ppl to change their minds for good, however sometimes u cannot achieve anything and this is the moment when GR must act without feelings and by the server rules!