I have played on this server for a long time now , When i started there where lots of ' clans ' pirats 'mercs ' traders ' freelancers ' and a lot of RP , if any of the latter fails then RP fails thats a fact .
Let me put it this way, when Earth Sol became the biggest trade run every one was doing it , the money was to good to miss , it took 1 hour to get there and back with a prophits of about 60 mill , the pirats had a feild day and so did the mercs , every one was involved and it was great .
But OP got involved and sead we where makeing to much money and put a blockade on the Hyperion in Dublin , But instead of cooling us down it had the oppisite effect and created more RP , clans where joining together in Cal ' and making up convoys whith about 6. 7 . 8 trains and wings of fighters , APC and so on , we would look at are NavMap and see the ' Navy ' SP ' Pirats all waiting for us in Dublin, it was a fight all the way to Earth and Back , that was the best RP i ever had on eney Mod, eney where.
So the morrel of the storey is, you cant make poeple do what you want , you have to dangle the carrat , you have give them what they want , but do it in such a way that makes it very differcult for them to do , like the Sol run . 
CROSSFIRE 'n SWAT FUTURE an open letter
- NucNuc
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I totally agree with Recon .
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The character is "artanis" (me) and I remember our little chat... I also thought there should be some sort of automated defence mechanism in the systems that these clans own. For example a pirate wishes to enter custodian, he will be fired upon automatically and destroyed, maybe this pirate can somehow bribe someone at a bar so that he can access this system say for a certain number of times and this would also apply for Freelancers above 70 ... I don't know if this requires more work from OP which btw has done a really nice job
it's too bad that you are pissed at crossfire... But I understand how frustrating it must be for you
As someone who used to be very active on the server until my Mrs kicked me out of the bedroom - I would say one thing that OP loathes discussions about roleplay - but I don't blame you - it was the only thing that used to get me excited.I would say that the roleplay is very simple and clear - and is quite flexible.
We got into this position because many people could not handle losing and also could not tell the difference between reality and roleplay.
I say - if you have an idea - go for it and do it - I would even go with your pirate/ Custodian idea -
Somewhere in the midst of time pirates were allowed to transverse through Custodian (with permission) and an illegal entry into it was seen as a chance to have some fun - but somewhere we lost all that and it became a reason for war.
Do it!
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RECON is right,OP.
People will be ready to help like that.
Anyway, its your choice but i think we should be given another chance.If u want to give us another chance:
We can help u by extending the storyline.
We can create a thread using which we will gather ideas for the storyline.
U can view the thread when u are ready to extend the storyline(u will want to check the bugs and stuff, if any) and also ask for help(any info or other kind of help).Anyway, us not giving u info and help was the only reason u gave up on CF or was there something else too?
Hope u get the right idea.
i have not been able to express myself properly but i hop eu get the right idea. -
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how many more chances?
well in the past weeks not much has happened... not much was done... all the requests are still open -
Lets says for a month you leave the "office" stuff (portal, wiki, modding) and come play the game ??? You wanted to animate the RP when you released 1.81 why not go forward with that in April ??? That would change your routine. Clans are ready to start RP and from what i can read ppl complain mainly about the lack of RP in game right now, not about the forum or the portal of the WIki. The 1.81 may not be as perfect and stable as 1.7 but its quite good now so i guess it can survive as it is for a month or two.
Come PLAY m8 !!! Come enjoy YOUR creation.There is no point in painting without looking at the result once its done ! No point in making a sandwich if you don't eat it !!!... you see my point here ?
do like the majority of the CF players do : take a break from RL and launch your ship !
Cya in space
ARROW out-
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for sure you wont see me online
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too bad OP
May I inquire : Why not ?
@Ryderhook : Could you please post in english cause google translator is having a hard time with your german typing .... ! Thx !
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coz im sick of it
coz its reason for all the problems of the past years
coz i dont like to play with ppl which are reason of the problems (sorry but thats the truth)
coz ive better things to do -
Begging him non-stop is not the way to go about things.
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iam tired op
your words every destroy faster, then we can organize or rebuild some
every if we construct you kill them all
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3 months .... 3 months since ive given the final chance to the CF players
3 months nothing has been done... 3 months wasted
even if it would be 3 years nothing would have changedsorry if i appear to be impatient.... but its not just a few months that ive been waiting for results... im waiting for several years that the members of this community finally wake up
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3 months .... 3 months since ive given the final chance to the CF players...
even if it would be 3 years nothing would have changed
... im waiting for several years that the members of this community finally wake up
One definition of insanity is "to keep doing the same things and expect different results".
-- Stephen Covey, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective PeopleCrossfire is unique among Freelancer mods in its "closed" nature. You do most of the work yourself, you try to "protect" things that you do not have the skill or resources to protect (without causing other problems), and you have private forums for anything substantial.
How does a smart guy, like you, not notice that the more popular mods have robust communities, with many contributors, and open policies for source and forums?
As I have said before, OP, you usually make good decisions. But, for every 99 good decisions that you make, there is that one, single, "bad" choice that cripples the rest of your good ideas.
Crossfire is awesome, but it is still in beta quality. There are dozens of little problems (perhaps thousands if you count misleading or incorrect infocards). How can you hope to fine-tune all of that stuff yourself?
Some examples:
- You have been asking for help? Where? I follow the Crossfire Mod Forum every day... if you are posting somewhere else then are you reaching your intended audience?
- I volunteered to fix FLMM, which is a huge weak spot in a user's experience of Crossfire (and other mods). You told me that FLMM is "fine the way it is".
- I volunteered to help populate a wiki. Where is that? Another secret/closed feature?
- I reported a few obviously "unintended features". You told me that they were "no bugs".
- Many other people have similarly offered to help, and your usual response is to "shoot them down", as if volunteering to help is somehow offensive to you.
The details of the above are unimportant... the thing that matters is that people want to help you but you do not let them do it.
As NucNuc, Recon, and others suggest, the only way to have a community that is enthusiastic about helping you is to make it fun for them.
Note that I am not trying to tell you what to do. Personally, I don't care. At all.
I am just saying that, if you want people to help you, then open up Crossfire and allow people to help.
You can continue to have tight control over Crossfire and it's secrets. Or you can let people have fun by contributing openly and freely.
But you cannot have both.
Isn't that obvious?
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Well I will offer my 1 euro worth of comments.
In Op's defense, I can easily say that the "assault" on me personally over the past 3 years by some was nothing compared to the attacks that Op has endured from countless people. Some were arguements that were legitimate, some were downright irresponsible, but none-the-less most insults were not called for. The constant attacks on the server itself, the constant cheating and the constant "entitlement" attitude that many players have. Even as a paying clan, you still don't have the right to do and say as you please, but you do absorb greater responsibility. I find it insulting when many of you think you can demand from someone or their work, which you do not own in any shape or form.
I have been here a very very long time. I have witnessed some inexcusable acts, ignorant decision making ( some of it my own) and gestures of malice towards CF, with some of it carried out, with the only intention of ruining this community. Sadly, most of us let it happen when we witnessed it and for those who stood up against it, were only driven off CF by the hatred shown by the players or under their own disgust.
Many here have incredible talent in coding, programming and modeling, but instead of actually stepping up to the plate and offering sound ideas, you only offer critism without a logical solution. This doesn't apply to all those who have made comments about the mod, but it sure applies to most.
The idea that we can demand anything here is absurd and certainly has never been the rule. Now has Op always accepted the offered help? No he hasn't. But it doesn't mean that we need to refuse to assist when the request is on the table.
Now my apologies for not being in-game as much as I should have, but I honestly needed to step away for a short period of time and come back with a fresh attitude for 1.81. However some of you simply cannot and will not make the effort to change your assinine, improper and childish behavior. Which tells me that you bring your realworld personality and problems to CF.....which simply, is wrong.
So when I see many of you begging for CF not to close, I can only say, that of all the trash I witnessed over the past 7 years of my time here, I can't blame Op for his possible decision. Do I want it to close? No I don't.
best regards
Gunny CIC CFPD
Founder, Sirius Bucks Coffee, ( where addiction is gauranteed)
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One definition of insanity is "to keep doing the same things and expect different results".
-- Stephen Covey, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective PeopleCrossfire is unique among Freelancer mods in its "closed" nature. You do most of the work yourself, you try to "protect" things that you do not have the skill or resources to protect (without causing other problems), and you have private forums for anything substantial.
How does a smart guy, like you, not notice that the more popular mods have robust communities, with many contributors, and open policies for source and forums?
As I have said before, OP, you usually make good decisions. But, for every 99 good decisions that you make, there is that one, single, "bad" choice that cripples the rest of your good ideas.
Crossfire is awesome, but it is still in beta quality. There are dozens of little problems (perhaps thousands if you count misleading or incorrect infocards). How can you hope to fine-tune all of that stuff yourself?
Some examples:
- You have been asking for help? Where? I follow the Crossfire Mod Forum every day... if you are posting somewhere else then are you reaching your intended audience?
- I volunteered to fix FLMM, which is a huge weak spot in a user's experience of Crossfire (and other mods). You told me that FLMM is "fine the way it is".
- I volunteered to help populate a wiki. Where is that? Another secret/closed feature?
- I reported a few obviously "unintended features". You told me that they were "no bugs".
- Many other people have similarly offered to help, and your usual response is to "shoot them down", as if volunteering to help is somehow offensive to you.
The details of the above are unimportant... the thing that matters is that people want to help you but you do not let them do it.
As NucNuc, Recon, and others suggest, the only way to have a community that is enthusiastic about helping you is to make it fun for them.
Note that I am not trying to tell you what to do. Personally, I don't care. At all.
I am just saying that, if you want people to help you, then open up Crossfire and allow people to help.
You can continue to have tight control over Crossfire and it's secrets. Or you can let people have fun by contributing openly and freely.
But you cannot have both.
Isn't that obvious?
what a piece of bullshit
the assumptions and conclusions are far away from realityyes other servers are full of ppl which contribute.... and if ppl would want to contribute here i wouldnt prevent that... there is just one simple fact.... ppl dont contribute here at least not as they should
you have a problem with the mods current status?.... THAT STATUS IS BECAUSE I DIDNT GET THE NECCESSARY SUPPORT
you would like to see ppl doing modding work?.... THEN SHOW ME THE MODDERS WHICH CAN DO THAT JOB
on the other side you say you cant find any help requests?I wonder what I do at EVERY COMMUNITY MEETING.... I wonder why i have posted dozen of such request just in 2010 and even more the years before... the forum is full of requests
so what happened to the various CF trailers i requested... what happened to the FAQ that i requested... what happened to the requested news... what happened to the RP campaign... what happened to the games information... what happened to the moderation requests?... what happed to the php coding requests? what happened to the news posting about the supported games'?...what happened to all the other requests?
HOW SHOULD I EVER EXPECT THAT ANYBODY OF THIS COMMUNITY DOES WORK ON THE MOST COMPLICATED FL MOD WHICH TOOK ME 6 WEEKS TO GET IT HALFWAY STABLE WORKING ON THE SERVER IF THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY CAN NOT OR DO NOT WANT TO SOME VERY SIMPLE AND BASIC JOBS, THAT I HAVE REQUESTED TO BE DONE. THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE OR WILLING TO WRITE SOME SIMPLE ARTICLES ABOUT THE MOD, THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY WHERE NOT ABLE OR WILLING TO HELP ME MODERATING THE MODDB SITE WHICH JUST INVOLVED RENAMING A FEW PICS THERE AND GIVING SUPPORT TO PLAYERS, THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY WHERE NOT ABLE OR WILLING TO GO TO GOOGLE, TYPE IN THE NAMES OF THE GAMES SUPPORTED BY SWAT AND SEARCH FOR SOME NEWS AND INFORMATION.
THAT ARE JOBS THAT EVEN A 8 YEAR OLD KID COULD DO, JOBS WHICH JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES OF TIME. JOBS THAT I CANT SEEM TO EXPECT FROM THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
It was a tuesday when i requested the information about the Serverpolice so i could sort out their accounts and get the new Roleplay started... I did need that information till sunday the same week. 6 weeks later i still didnt have that information. That much i can rely on the members of this community.Even risking to repeat myself... 3 months and no results... so what do you actually blame me?
If nothing will change CF will be history soon.... thats a matter of fact. I will not watch this much longer.
btw. gunny is mostly right
there are enough ppl with good skills but they dont step up... and even the ppl without special skills know how to use google and post on this forum
there is also much stupid blaming... and there are more than enough demands going into my direction (even ppl and clans demanding that I change my mod to their "need")
and if ppl would finally play the game instead of considering it a personal battlefield for intrigues or sick games many server problems would be gone
ppl expect work to be done by me and that i keep up this place but they are not willing to contribute.
and yes.... of course i have rejected help offers
these offers were far away from everything that was neccessary or possible.
eg. why should i ever consider to hand over the crossfire server to a new admin? Why does anybody even believe i would do that? Do we suddenly have specialist for modding and especially for server/client depencies of the crossfire mod? To my knowledge nobody next to me has been able to set up a stable CF server yet. There is stuff that simply will never happen... just like me giving out such rights which in the end are a threat to this community. -
so what do you actually blame me?
As I said, I don't care what you do, OP. And "blame" is a judgment, which is not my style.
I merely observed that some of your actions lead to your own frustration. I am not the first person to observe that, and it does not take a genius to see it... it is pretty obvious.
Do what you like. But remember: I offered to help in several substantial ways; by doing some important things that you cannot do yourself. So why is your response to flame me? I did nothing to provoke a flame response. I did not criticize or complain, and I even complimented your hard work.
Flaming someone who is trying to help you... well... that is my point.
Can you see that?
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what i can see is alot of nonsence
QuoteYou have been asking for help? Where? I follow the Crossfire Mod Forum every day... if you are posting somewhere else then are you reaching your intended audience?
the forum is full of clear requests where help is need
QuoteI volunteered to fix FLMM, which is a huge weak spot in a user's experience of Crossfire (and other mods). You told me that FLMM is "fine the way it is".
that is fine... but do you even have the source code in order to do this?
If not then why do you volunteer for something that can not even be done?
even if you would have the source code and the neccessary skills to work on flmm it would be wasted time since ppl dont read and will continue to use FLMM1.3, FLMM1.31, FLMM1.4b or FLMM1.5bQuoteI volunteered to help populate a wiki. Where is that? Another secret/closed feature?
Ask Blaster, Bond, NucNuc and Awesomeman... these are the ones which came to me offering help and working on the wiki.
QuoteI reported a few obviously "unintended features". You told me that they were "no bugs".
Unintended features?... from where did you get the information that something is "unintended"? Even if something would be a sideeffect of a feature.... then why do you assume that it can get fixed? There is stuff that has to be just like it is.
QuoteMany other people have similarly offered to help, and your usual response is to "shoot them down", as if volunteering to help is somehow offensive to you.
Where?
I remember some ppl with big mouths which made big claims and in the end nothing happened or I didnt even get contacted by them. I wonder when these ppl finally start to do something of what they have announced to do.
