!!! Important Announcement !!!

Its a shame that rules are even neccesary...

its a shame that there are so many assholes on this server and that the word fairness is not included in a lot of peoples vocabulary

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I now will follow the hard way of judges about the following incidents: - Someone is suiciding - Someone is killed by NPCs - Someone insults another player

Good and I agree entirely.

This prove my decision -Unfortunately

I can't believe lol, omg, wtf...

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Huor
You're a disgrace to human race!

so, now its against the server rules to be killed by NPCs...

...good, good, maybe somebody should tell those DKs about this new rule

no, seriously... things are going too far. you cannot punish people if you cannot prove they are breaking a rule. thats not ethical.
if you cannot prove somebody is suiciding, then he is not suiciding

you can name that also preventive banning... even more, you could ban everybody out of your sight range as maybe they are cheating and you cannot see it... just to be sure, you know *ironic mode off*

have you even thought of the consequences?

what do you think is going to think about the police of this server any new player that is banned just because he was not good enough to beat a NPC squad?

and that other not so noob that got killed while he was typing coz he was not aware of that DK fighter that appeared suddenly?

and what happens when the console reports a NPC kill that in fact is a pvp kill?

on the other hand now missions become really challenging again, as if you fail you will lose something more than your life

even more, what do you think op will think when he starts receiving loads of claims about this by banned players that in fact broke no rule

and when people leaves the server because the SP are no more fair and ban without any reason?

nobody says to be a SP is easy. we know it and we thank you guys for taking that hard job. but to get a badge does not give you the right to jump over the ethics of this server and its long tradition of fairness

during all the years ive been here -and ive been here much longer than any of you (but op and spiky)-, nobody has been banned without a very good reason. that has given our SPs and server admins a good reputation inside and outside the server. just the opposite to other well known servers where the SPs are known because of their unfair and arbitrary actions

by doing such a preventive banning you endanger the reputation of the whole server, as the banned players will eventually leave and spread news about unjustified bannings in here... and of course that will endanger the number and quality of the new players that decide to take a look on this server

for those reasons i ask you to reconsider the "killed by NPC" rule above

if you need help with cheaters just ask for it, but do not leave the good way to take the easy way

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Originally posted by Bond
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Huor
You're a disgrace to human race!

I can´t count the hours Huor was working for the Server and the entire Community.

It´s a shame to see such words written here.

Huor is not referring to legitimate NPC kills, he is referring to players who use NPC instead of suicide in order to get around paying for their new equipment.

I thinks it's shameful that people are suddenly concerned how the SP are treated here, because quite frankly we have been treated like dogs for a long time....but I ( personally) can handle this ok, Im used to it.

Ethics? What ethics.....for about 2 years now the ethics among players have been gone anyway, right along with the honor that used to be among most of our players, fighting to the death instead of reloading in the middle of RP, using NPC to get a new ship and not to mention Space Lawyers always constantly worried about the rules instead of just playing the damn game.

Now people are worried about hurting people's feelings or damaging their fragile personality or using " Im drunk" or "my brother was using my account" , instead of taking responsibility and living with the consequences of the game.

I don't think most people on our server now could handle the way this place was in 1.5** and before. We would have to import Kleenex tissues from earth in order to keep the tears from flooding the docks.

hummm, " killed by NPC's ", what do you mean by that ? ... in wich context ?
Do you mean a sort of suicidal action by letting you on purpose killed by a NPC ? or in other situations where you are trying to complete a mission, trying to get out a nasty system with lots of npcs ?
Many trains takes a suicidal route to the sun just to restart quickly at they start planet, is it that kind of action you have in mind ? or more in RP situations ?

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suicidal action by letting you on purpose killed by a NPC ?

Yes.

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Originally posted by Gunny
Huor is not referring to legitimate NPC kills, he is referring to players who use NPC instead of suicide in order to get around paying for their new equipment.

thats the point, if you can prove he is doing that then ok, ban the guy, but if you "always consider the worst case", as huor states, you are also punishing those legitimate NPC kills

about the honour... yes, i cannot but agree with you about the lost of it, but we have always have honorless guys onboard and that never justified that we lose our own honour

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Originally posted by Daywalker

I can´t count the hours Huor was working for the Server and the entire Community.

It´s a shame to see such words written here.

I agree 100% with Kermit/Daywalker. Huor has always worked to be fair and deserves our thanks.

@Bond/Mellon you should be ashamed for writing such things. What makes it worse is that you are not 14 years old and should know better. All the words you made about culture and being raised properly If calling someone a "disgrace to the human race" is "cultured", then I am happy to be coarse.

There are rules made, which has been accepted by ANYONE who is joining the server to play there.
There are possibilities given to SP, to take care of playing people and watch them following the rules.
There are NO discussion / complaining (or anything else) needed, when a decission has been made by any SP online.

If SP did not use every option they could have done, yet, it happends on their own free will, to do so.
SP is allowed to punish people who act against the existing rules. How they punish people depends on the behaviour of people who act against the rules.

If SP didnt fine people for suiciding (outside arena) or forcing npc's to kill them after PvP (to avoid payments for repairing equiptment and stuff) it was pretty nice. BUT if SP decides to do so now, its fine with the rules.

The decissions any SP is making is just kinda ecko of the peoples behaviour on the server, which returns now.

thats my 2 cents.

All the SPs know that their job is one of the most important jobs on the server and that it is the hardest. None of them was forced to accept this job... they voluntered for it which deserves respect.

It is a shame that the people which try to keep everything running are treaten that way. I saw accusations but no proof... much talking but no results.
And now im being called blind. Yes I am blind... for wild accusations and nonsense.

Huor has done much for this community and not a single time I have seen him doing something that was directed against other members and players. His judgement always has been fair.

Contrary to that I removed Bond from the SWAT staff because of his "judgement" about others. A moderator has to act respectful towards others and that doesnt seem to be possible for him.

Use suiciding or NPCs when you gain no advantage over another person and there will be nobody to report you. And, hell, there might be other players around that could kill you if you would ask

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Originally posted by burro

I agree 100% with Kermit/Daywalker. Huor has always worked to be fair and deserves our thanks.

@Bond/Mellon you should be ashamed for writing such things. What makes it worse is that you are not 14 years old and should know better. All the words you made about culture and being raised properly If calling someone a "disgrace to the human race" is "cultured", then I am happy to be coarse.

I would add as well - in all my time here - online and on forums - Huor has been one of the most calmest, friendly and fair person around -

So I would say Bond -

consider you made a mistake or just a simple disagreement -

could be also a statement of the pressure SPs are under these days

Back on the other topic -

Rules have to be realistic, fair and forceable and consistent.

Some time ago an IOC guy was undocked from X and watching some cops and robbers pvp fights going on. He was not involved - but just by the docking gate - he got too close and got killed.

An SP from many systems away fined the guy - and I thought that was unfair.

Once I was being chased by many pirates and I tried my best to avoid them and we had a merry dance around the systems - I was 5v1 in one situation but still avoided them - in the end one of the guys had to self kill to respawn and get to me quicker - it was an SP that did it.

The self killing trick - Ladies and Gentlemen - has been let out of the bag from day one on the server - you cant put it back in - thats just a fact.

I admire the SPs decision to try and fix that to help rp - but it wont work - only becasue it cant fairly and consistently be applied - it just cant.

Best way to do it is so fix it using game mechanics so suicides are penalised by losing cash or equipment.

That will fix the problem - ease presseure on SPs from making some sort of value judgement on cases without evidence - and will also help the rp on the server = (Maybe :-))

If the game mechanics can distinguish between suicide in pvp and suicide involving npcs it may help.

If not - maybe people will start using guns!!