Enough is enough

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  • this morning... to be exact about 2 hours ago (it took me the time to find words again) a BG member came to me (MSN) to start throwing the worst shit ive ever seen on me
    i didnt say a single word since obviously whatever I say would be considered a lie and used against me once more


    its incredible how many lies, wrong accusations, insults and threats have been thrown into my derection since i decided to leave BG


    why did i leave?
    to play primary BG target now?
    no
    i left because of the shit that BG nembers have done to other clans, because of the direct orders which were broken by them and due to several other issues which damaged this community
    in the past 2 months 3 CF server clans had to pay for what BG members did or tried to do
    its no big secret that BG members provoked a server clan which finally left (in this case i need to admit that this was not the only reason).. its also no big secret any longer that several CF clans wanted to unite against BG to hunt some of the members (to my knowledge due to their behaviour and provocations)
    a 2nd CF serverclan almost broke together because of BG influence (because of something that i always refused to do and permit as long i am leading clans -> 7 years)
    and finally i was asked by one of those BG members to ban the leader of a 3rd CF serverclan for reasons which are very doubtful in my eyes (i didnt ban)
    in those 2 months BG members violated clan rules and serverrules and as BG leader it would have been my job to kick those guys out of MY clan in the same way it would have been my job to ban them from the server
    i didnt
    they are still here because i considered them important for BG and the community... and before all the recent shit started i also considered them friends (but that is over now)
    instead of doing my job as leader and admin i decided that the only way to protect the community would be to leave BG coz that was the only way to keep them here and prevent a serverwide war between the clans (lets face the facts even knowing what they did i would have been forced to defend BG as leader no matter what i think about it and exactly this could have destroyed CF since i am admin of this server aswell)
    I left my clan in order to protect this community (CF and SWAT) and in order to protect those BG members because somehow i had the feeling that they would be important (maybe i was wrong)


    So what happened since i left?
    I didnt close BG
    I allowed BG to stay on CF
    I allowed BG to keep Custodian (which actually is more my system than theirs... especially that this system has a speacial meaning for me)
    until now I only told the CF clanleaders about my reasons to leave (unfortunatly due to a forum bug some others were able to read that stuff until i could fix the bug)
    I allowed BG to use their forums
    I have spent 1 entire day and have rewritten the SWAT forum in order to give wavey and therefore BG the right to manage these Forums without the need to come to me
    I also removed my rights to visit the BG boards and read there (also done by the forum changes)
    I kept the BG page online for BG
    I allowed BG to use my webspace, my domains, my traffic
    I allowed BG to use stuff that is copyrighted by me
    all in all i have given BG every possible chance to keep on playing in peace and survive



    What has been taken away from BG?
    just one thing
    the SWAT membership including all rights that BG once had (such as creating new clans within the portal, hosting of new clanpages, calling for meetings and bringing up proposals for SWAT)
    these rights have been revoked by XL coz obviously he is sick of all the shit and the broken rules
    BG has broken the SWAT rules (the old SWAT rules coz we have new ones and the old rules were going to be included into the clan rules of the SWAT clans) which were valid for every SWAT clan member
    You were kicked out of SWAT ... and now you can blame others for that you were kicked out (very likely you do already)



    And finally how did BG react?
    I was insulted, threatened, called liar, meanwhile i also seem to be a thief in BGs eyes
    but ok lets take it bit by bit


    fingerpointing:
    everybody is responsible... everybody but BG (for those which wonder, wavey gave me access to the BG forum for a limited time so i could have a look about what was really said - ill come to that point later)
    first of all - other clans are responsible for what did happen... BG members broke serverrules but since they "reacted" on what other said those other clans are responsible
    BG members provoked reactions of other clans.... but for some reasons those other clans are responsible because... hmm because they did react on the provokation
    that was what i had to read one day before i left and actually this made my decision easier and thats why i considered BG not honourable anymore


    after i left a BG member came to me to threat me
    2 others insulted me on msn
    but ok... somehow i expected such a reaction so i ignored it


    a few days later i got logs from the BG forum (from a BG member which actually does not really agree with what is said their)
    threads like "why OP-R8R why" where i am obviously declarated as the worst ashole ever and that i am responsible for everything
    then threads directed against other clans (such as LP)
    basically alot of shit talk against members of this community
    hmmm shit talk... wasnt there orders given out to ALL CF clans which should deal with that? YES
    (FACT)


    shortly later i was called liar
    and claims came up that i would read all the BG forum posts and that i still have access there
    then XL was accused of being the one which does read the forum and gives me the info
    it took me several hours to discuss this shit with wavey which granted me access to the forum so i finally was able to read it directly from the BG boards
    and to successfully prove that both SWAT admins (XL and OP) dont have access to that BG forum
    after 4 hours talking, reading, testing it has been proven that those claims against XL and me are not true since wavey actually got the same rights that we admins have
    If i would have wanted access to the BG boards i wouldnt have spend 1 entire day to rewrite it in order to exclude me from these boards
    but naturally its always easy to claim that we admins invaded your boards
    (FACT)


    the BG memberboard
    "OP wants to finish BG" thats what i was able to read on the BG forum next to many claims and alot stuff i easily could consider insults and lies
    "OP has taken the killboard and memberboard away from us... he wants to destroy BG"
    aha... naturally... yeah... if something does not work the bad OP wants to destroy the poor BG
    so lets see how the truth that does those guys ignore looks like... we had a serverchange 1 month ago... therefore all php scripts were transfered to the new server... and this new server has new databases and new passwords and since i didnt have the time yet to check 200 different small scripts the BG memberlist does not find the database anymore since that change COZ IT HAS A NEW NAME
    -> since about 1 1/2 months the memberboards are not working
    but its good that after 1 1/2 month you notice that something is not right with an important part of the BG page and that you blame me for killing BG this way now
    if someone would have asked me if there is something wrong with it i simply would have changed the config file and everything would be running like before... but i believe the current "blame OP for everything" policy does not allow such simple solutions
    Oh wait... again breaking rule 1 from those 5 rules given to the CF clans
    among those 5 orders that were given to the clans there was also a rule about asking what is going on instead of claiming shit
    Incredible that those rules are followed by the word right?



    well i think after that there were a few days of silence (at least i didnt notice anything important)
    ... until i announced the creation of my new clan
    i know from that nice one sided MSN convo that i am a liar again, an asshole, traitor and motherfucker
    I only create this clan in order to destroy BG - yeah of course (what else)
    that i recruit out of BG and maybe other clans - aha
    that i dont have the right to be military while BG is not
    that i abuse my powers with shuting down warpgates and warpbuoys
    and that obviously nobody would want to join my new clan anyways


    OOOOKKAAAAAAAYYYY
    lets start with the recruitment part
    since yesterday afternoon i got 12 mails/pms from ppl which want to join... one of them was BG and like all others which are already in a clan i rejected that BG
    but when you think that some of those guys which are going to be part of the new clan have something to do with BG then you are right... i have a list of EX-BG members id like to see wearing the new clantag
    dont worry they wouldnt join BG under all circumstances so you dont loose any possible members... some others on my list are not BG and besides this there are still some places open for good figthers which are not on that list
    BUT AGAIN
    its always nice to be accused of stealing members from others while this is not true.... thx BG


    I want to destroy BG?
    honestly... if i would want to destroy BG your clan wouldnt exist anymore
    BUT AGAIN
    its always nice to be accused of destroying or damaging other clans even if there is no single proof and even if everything i did does speak against such a claim... thx BG


    warpgates/warpbuoys
    I dont have the right to do that? my clan does not have the right? those privileges are not fair?
    Maybe you want to think back to the time when i was leading BG and you will notice that you had exactly the same privileges based on your duties (which where different from the duties of the other clans)
    Custo game closed and opened again.... you also had the right to disrupt tradelanes... but somehow it seems to let you look important if you blame others if they do the same


    roleplay
    BG was military as long i was leader
    there was a reason why it was military
    BG had to keep the balance between the RP and the clans based on MY orders
    now that i am not the BG leader anymore you dont have any right to keep that military role... you dont do something for the server... you dont keep the balance... you dont even had the neccessary information
    and therefore you dont have the right to call yourself military (not to mention that you are not even able to follow a few simple orders)
    the new clan which i am going to create will take over that role since they have the possibilities
    BG will have to decide between smuggler, pirate, merc and police since every CF server clan has to choose one of those 4
    the ASF/CSF roleplay is not valid anymore (that has been decided about 2 months ago during a meeting in X-3043) and will turn into an Event
    ASF and CSF licences will only be given out to the players before that event does start and they will be removed afterwards
    why am i able to tell you that you are no military?
    because RP is server buisness and as long i am admin i have every right to do such decisions (admin decisions are final) and the fact that this decision is based on valid RP rules



    thx
    really thanks
    keep on blaming others for what you dont like
    keep on pointing your fingers on others
    keep on claiming shit about others while you know exactly nothing from what did really happen
    but of course its always good to push back the responsibility of the own downings and say that others did shit and claim that others want to do evil stuff to you
    and for sure making oppinions and letting look other ppl which actually did nothing wrong will let you look important while exactly you are responsible for the crap
    thx really


    i really have enough of this shit
    i tried to stay fair
    i tried to stay away from the shit that is done
    but if this does not stop ill start to do my job as admin and BG wont get another chance

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  • Another verbal attack on BG in public forum isnt this breaking one of those rules? Just for the record people i wanst the BG that spoke to OP on MSN.


    I speak on behalf of ME not BG i wasnt goign to make any of this public but seeing as you OP have lead the way here goes......you claimed that i myself did a lot of shit to cause these problems.....If you researched a little deeper you would have found the truth.


    For examle BG making a clan leave CF well to this i answere i myself several times spoke to DD members in order to smove things over and put petty squabbles behind us....I was told several times by DD that i was the only member of BG they respected.....Haldir did turn on me and insult me for reason i still dont know but as an adult i will speak to Haldir myself to clear up any missunderstanding.


    You also claimed i had insulted people and were the cause of a member of LP to leave....well again OP this has been prooved as a false claim....this person you claimed i insulted and hounded off the server came on MSN and infornt of Wavey said i had never insulted him and i wasnt the reason he left.


    To my knowledge i have never insulted anyone unless i was verbaly attacked 1st....but i do appologise for retaliating i should have known better but sometimes RL problems get you down and as a human we do make mistakes and do things that let us down and for this reason i publicly appologise to the whole server if i have ever insulted any of you but i really doubt this is the case.


    I did make 1 mistake which i agree with but i appologised to the poeple direct and this is now in the past and forgotton.


    so Basically OP all these claims you have made against me on MSN on BG forum have been prooved false except 1.


    After you made such claims on MSN to me i gave you an oppotunity for you to rectify all these problems you claimed i did and being one of the so called cause to you leaving BG.....I said to you if i am so bad and i am the cause for all of this i will leave BG and the Server if this is what you wish.......your answere to this was no BG needs you.....Well i thought to myself if OP has all this proof that i did all of these things and i broke all of these rules why does OP want me to stay..


    This is my personal oppinion seeing as OP has closed the door to me and wont even speak to me on MSN i have no othere choice but to come to my own conclusion....the fact that i voiced a personal oppinion on BG forum was only because of a lack of information and still to this day you have never explained the true reason why you would want to keep a member of this community still on the server even tho he has broken every server rule going.


    So in veiw of these false accusations against me OP i will ask the community this question.(maybe your thoughts about me OP will be confirmed or prooven false as have many others)


    If any of you feel i have ever insulted you ....Broke any server rules or done any of the above OP has mentioned now is the time to speak up....I will not wait for a ban i will quite happily leave this server and community as i dont want to be the cause of anything thats is negative and destructive.

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  • hey guys, OP created u, OP gives a place where u can play, OP makes u what u r now, OP kept ur reputation high, OP gave the best for u, OP loved u !!!


    And now ?!!! I don't want to insult any1, but why don't u ( the BG member ) stfu ?!!!!!!?!?!? :evil: [3]


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  • @Tyreal no offence m8 but you have heared 1 side of a story please refrain from commenting unless you know the full picture....This sort of crap has been the cause of many problems on this server people acting on what 1 person has told them....and this is a prime example.


    The only people that really know what happened are BG and OP.

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  • M8, i've been speaking with a lot of BG members be4 OPs leaving, and after Ops leaving, so pls don't tell me what i've heard and what not.


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  • nothing i have said above is a false claim
    and i can prove EVERY single word of it with chatlogs, forum logs, serverlogs and screenshots if neccessary



    you guys have called me liar way too often meanwhile... i have seen that shit often enough when wavey granted access to the BG boards for me
    and i have enough of this shittalk... enough of these lies... enough of the false claims... enough of these stupid comments on the forum where the first thought that comes up is "oh interesting that it is YOU that comes up with such a comment", enough of this spreading of rumours which are based on your fabulous conclusions which are not more than wild stories
    and maybe half of BG does believe you .... maybe because that shit they hear comes from a BG member... and everyone who does not wear a BG tag is automatically a liar
    very likely most of them dont even know half of what happened and they believe the first thing a BG member does say ignoring everything the others on the server


    they would prefere to believe lies instead of listening to someone which is no BG any longer
    but i am sure that some of those guys in BG know me good enough to know that i never would lie to them... that i dont lie to others... and that really serious reasons are needed to drive me out of my own clan that i created so long ago and leaded and protected all these years with pride

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  • @ Tyreal My previous answere still stands.


    @ OP like i said in my answere to you i speak for only me not BG.(have i lied in anything i have said on this post?)


    As for the claims you dont lie you have lied to me before and have also admitted it so this isnt exactly true is it.

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  • as you all can see... im the liar now... the bad guy which only wants the death of BG


    bla bla bla yada yada yada


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  • Uff...


    Hey m8s, you are old enough to sort those things out. You are both adult enough, so why to start such a discussion in public board?


    Maybe time has come to all the accusations needs to be proven between BG and OP (dunno if already done) - but as far this cannot be handled by the community...


    BTW this seems more to be a private and BG issue. So i wont comment it any further...

  • Come on guys - take your dirty washing of our forums and do it private.


    I am sure this place used to be a group of friends - was that ever true? Can it ever be again?


    I am seriosuly suggesting you guys go to mediation - an independent person that can offer some counselling/ therapy to mend that which has now been broken.


    Once something has been smashed to pieces - it can be glued together - but it will enver be the same again. All the cracks will still be visible if you look hard enough - but it is better than nothing.


    Off hand - I can think of a handful of people in this communtiy that have well earned total trust and respect for being truthful and have sound judgement - maybe you guys should talk to a few of them on msn -


    Go through a slow and careful process that can partially resolve your differences.


    OP - please give me editor powers so I can delete this thread.

  • @ Az and Huor i couldnt agree more with anything you have said.....you guys have hit the nail on the head.



    BG and OP do need to sort this out in private once and for all and this sort of crap should have never hit the public forum.


    I am more than willing to listen to what OP has to say and answere any of these accusations but unfotunatly OP has never given me or BG that luxuary.


    Maybe you guys should be our councilors lol:)

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  • Why do you make us read all that? :/
    Wasnt it just BG you adressed or are you looking for player support in blackmailing BG (or whatever that is)? Whatever this is is between OP and BG. Im sure Wavey could have posted that book of yours in the BG forums.


    Slayer its only natural to straighten things out after this post and as far as I remember you have always been a guy who was keeping it straight with others. Its hard to not feel offended on a post flaming the hell out of your clan. I feel you. If any of these acusations are true it only shows to me that your leader simply wasnt capable of straighten things out before they started to boil.


    Tyrael its no use to start swearing at others here.

  • NO BG members will answer this post anymore !!!


    I informed BG of all the reasons explained to me by OP after our meeting and posted them on our boards.(ie killboard ect)

  • I will glady mediate this discussion on MSN or other means other than here and I will ask Centaurian & Huor to join me as the panel.


    You won't get a more fair and objective session except from a few others here.


    I have personal interests to see all the clans succeed, including BG & Op's new clan.


    I dont always agree with what I hear, but the end-results must favor all sides.

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  • Just a thought guys


    At no way aimed at anyone here at all


    Just that our clan leaders (all clans - server and non server)have had a torrid time in recent months -


    It's a real shame because I know ALL of them (FACT) put a huge (bigger than the bigegst thing ever) amount of time and effort into not only their clans but also keeping the server a fun and fair place to be.


    I would apologise to clan leaders and former leaders in my small part in adding to your Mount Everest of crap - I sincerely hope you get time to play and enjoy the server - if you can remember what that used to be like.


    Gfs to our leaders!!

  • @ OP that pilot broke BG rules by speaking to you in that way .I would like to know who so they can be dealt with.
    At the moment I can only apologise for what they have done.

  • i discussed this matter with the CF clan leaders in private... i discussed it with wavey
    both with no result... no the shit went worse
    since i have no access to BG boards nor do i have any possibility to make my point clear in a different way any longer



    it is no oppinion making or blackmailing
    and if i ever see such a shit comment from you against me or this community again DrStraw ill kick you outa here
    i have enough of your shittalk aswell
    in the past months almost every post you made was directed against me, my clan or this community and its leaders without that anybody has done something bad to you
    and that leader you talk about and this inability to solve such probs has solved problems for YOUR clan and for many other clans instead during that time so you better should be very careful what you say
    i have enough of bigmouths which think they could do things better while they actually did nothing for this community


    the problems between me and BG are actually community problems since 3 other clans were involved in that entire mess aswell
    but you can forget that i will go into a chat and talk with those BG.... after what they did they cant expect that i will listen to them

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