ASF/CSF

well i think instead of specific systems to attack is there

any way to split the original fl systems politcily so we have asf and csf territory to make

things more varied and for example if a csf pilot is caught in asf space he is a legitimate

target this would bring a sense of sneaking and hunting into it and make it more interesting

i dont know if its feasible though

The war zones, must be close to X-3043, so we can play the CSF/ASF

all day, instead of going somewhere far away for an event.

But let's leave the home

systems, we train there, and rest there.

Let's give half the systems near X to ASF,

and the other half to CSF. Then if CSF want's a certeint system, we tell to ASF, and they

defend it, decide that they will defend it and conqer a CSF system, or just give

it.

In the End the formal winner will be the faction with all systems conqered. And

we restart everything.

Let's clear one rule from now. The atacks time, must be

aproved from both sides, like an event. When someone dies, he is out of the atack, no

respawning. If the atackers die, the system stays with the defenders. If the defenders die,

and there is even one atacker alive the system is conqered. If Both CSF and ASF leaders

want, the atack/defend may be 2 from 3, i.e 3 atacks.

Why not let the Freelancers in

the thing. If someone want's let him try

Those are my suggestions, feel free, to

change them, debate them, or ban them as no good

I think blade net has

a good idea, I think I thought of that a long time ago but it was during the chaos crap so i

thought to myself "there's no way we can end all this bullshit and get back to fun

fighting"

but anyway, I like bladenet's idea, it'll be tweaked a bit but the

general idea is good, the clans declare war on the next system they want to conquere, if the

clan wins, they get the system, if they lose, the opposing clan automatically declares war

on the system that attacked them as a counter-offensive, if that clan wins, they take that

system, if they lose, they must retreat back to their system, then it's back to normal, if

a clan successfully conqueres all of another side's systems, all of Sirius strategically

resets. We could also give each side or clan a capital system and if it's captured, the

side that captured it also captures all of that side's system, but there has to be

conditions about attacking the capital, and that could be something like you have to capture

2 or 3 or all of the systems directly connected to the capital to be able to declare war on

the capital system.

If ya don't know what I mean, just disregard this post.

This all sounds good to me.

But....when a

clan wins a system, does that means the same rules of entrance by FL's apply to that system

like the clan's home system?

Ie: need permission to enter?

My only concern if

the Home system rules are applied to the Conquered systems, you would see FL's leaving the

server real quick.

What do you guys think?

Gunny

I think that it should be like this: each conquered

system is put under martial law, this law allows civilian freelancers access to the system,

the only clan people allowed in the system are those who are members of the clan/side that

controls the system, this would be kinda fun because the enemy may try sneaking in spies and

people would have to scan all the civilians to see how long their character has been online

(I think that's possible, if not, forget what I'm saying). Anyway, spies will be executed

on sight.

The point of sending in spies would be to find out where the enemy

concentrates its forces so when the spy's clan wants to declare war on that system and

attacks, they know where most of the enemy is. but then again, you could play spy games,

like concentrate your forces in one spot so when the spies come and look, they report to

their commanders the wrong information, because when the time comes, you change location, to

throw them off and stuff.

Anyway, yea, don't apply clans' original system rules,

that would suck. Have an occupational or martial law. Basically like: "we control this

system but freelancer life can go on as usual, though no other clans can come in"

well as freelancers wont be able to take part it shouldnt affect them if systems are

restricted to asf and csf members they can come and go as they please

NY still needs to remain a

non-PVP area....AND not a staging grounds for an attack either.

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Let's give half the systems near X to ASF,

and the other half to CSF. Then if CSF want's a certeint system, we tell to ASF, and they

defend it, decide that they will defend it and conqer a CSF system, or just give it.

In the End the formal winner will be the faction with all systems conqered. And we

restart everything.

Let's clear one rule from now. The atacks time, must be aproved

from both sides, like an event. When someone dies, he is out of the atack, no respawning. If

the atackers die, the system stays with the defenders. If the defenders die, and there is

even one atacker alive the system is conqered. If Both CSF and ASF leaders want, the

atack/defend may be 2 from 3, i.e 3 atacks.

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i dont like the idea with the

attack time... to make it like an event wont solve our problem
ppl will just come online

at this time and depart after the time ran out - thats not the idea of what we are trying to

do with asf and csf

to say that when the attackers are killed the defenders can

keep the system or if the attackers win they will get the system has a big problem.... who

will say that i dont send 10 BGs to different csf systems while CSF just depends one system?

i mean then ASF would loose the attack on this single system but get control over 9 other

csf systems

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Why not let the Freelancers in the thing. If someone want's let

him try

if you let freelancers in where would be the need for them to

create clans and rent systems?
its against the interests of the server
and its harder

to punish freelancers if they break war-rules

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I think blade net has a good

idea, I think I thought of that a long time ago but it was during the chaos crap so i

thought to myself "there's no way we can end all this bullshit and get back to fun

fighting"

but anyway, I like bladenet's idea, it'll be tweaked a bit but the

general idea is good, the clans declare war on the next system they want to conquere, if the

clan wins, they get the system, if they lose, the opposing clan automatically declares war

on the system that attacked them as a counter-offensive, if that clan wins, they take that

system, if they lose, they must retreat back to their system, then it's back to normal, if

a clan successfully conqueres all of another side's systems, all of Sirius strategically

resets. We could also give each side or clan a capital system and if it's captured, the

side that captured it also captures all of that side's system, but there has to be

conditions about attacking the capital, and that could be something like you have to capture

2 or 3 or all of the systems directly connected to the capital to be able to declare war on

the capital system.

If ya don't know what I mean, just disregard this

post.

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well on the first look its very good idea but what happens if I call

all BGs online one day and decided to conquer one CSf system after the next... and control

the whole CSF space at the end of the day? i mean that would be possible... or what is if

CSF would do this coz there is lets say only 1 BG member on at this day?
the details on

this sort of fights are very tricky

ive two suggestions how to do the

fights

Suggestion 1
like already said we cut sirius into small pieces

- Liberty will be ASF space due to the fact that its close to custodian (new york will

stay neutral)
- Kusari will be CSF space coz the CSF also needs an easy and fast way to

the old systems and with tohoku as a CSF homesystem its the best choice i can imagine
-

Rheinland would be ASF space again to cut the NewBerlin(ASF)-NewTokyo(CSF) traderoute ->

another advantage of this is that both factions could reach the sigma systems without any

problems - ASF would have the control over special items like the powergenerators in

Rheinland
- Bretonia would be CSF space then - CSF would have control over the route to

Sol and the ppcs+trains there
- the homesystems of the clans stay restricted areas for

the clans
- Like already said New York would be neutral in the same way Arena, Hyperion,

Sol and Coloseum would be
- The 2 unknown system are listed as nomad systems (which is

unimportant for roleplay)
- Altair is listed as nomad and coalition space (also

unimportant for roleplay)
- X-3043 and all unused clansystems around would be warzones,

Sigma, Omega, Tau and the omicrons aswell

important for us are the warzones, the asf

systems and the csf systems
in the warzones ppl are allowed to attack the other faction

but they are not forced to do this
in the ASF and CSF systems ppl have the duty to defend

their territory so if CSF enters liberty the ASF would need to attack them
but if some

ppl of ASF and CSF meet in X-3043 they can attack each other but dont need to if they dont

want
the "event" would be 24/7 (well at least if no other events are running or clans

have meetings)
once killed in ASF/CSF space the player has to leave the

area

Suggestion 2
we split the systems in the same way like in

suggestion 1
a random script which i could write would post the name of one system to the

crossfire serverpage and this system is the fight system of the day
eg. the system shows

omega11 then the ASF and CSF will fight for the control of this system (dunno about the

winning conditions yet)
the winner will get the control over this system (only one system

per day)
dunno how to display the won system... maybe some1 has experience in creating

flash scripts so we can enter "omega11 won by asf/csf" and it would display a map showing

different colours for the systems (dunno how to do this yet)

those both

suggestions are not perfect but they have the advantage that ppl dont sit around in x or

their clansystems anymore - they have to be active in whole sirius... so discuss

Op, you can't send forces to conquere other systems while a fight for

one system is already going on, that's the whole point of declaring war on one system, the

invading force declares war, the defending force is given like a day to gather their

strength, and the two forces face-off the following day at an agreed time, this is NOT going

to be unconventional warfare, a system has to be declared war on, only then can the control

of that system change to the other side/clan. Also, I think neither side should be able to

reinforce their soldiers by letting the ones who have died back into the fight once they

respawn, once a player dies, that player must stay out of the battle/system until the battle

is over and the victor determined. Oh and then of coarse all the players from the side that

lost must stay out of the system until their side retakes that system.

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Originally posted by Pandora
Op, you can't

send forces to conquere other systems while a fight for one system is already going on,

that's the whole point of declaring war on one system, the invading force declares war, the

defending force is given like a day to gather their strength, and the two forces face-off

the following day at an agreed time, this is NOT going to be unconventional warfare, a

system has to be declared war on, only then can the control of that system change to the

other side/clan. Also, I think neither side should be able to reinforce their soldiers by

letting the ones who have died back into the fight once they respawn, once a player dies,

that player must stay out of the battle/system until the battle is over and the victor

determined. Oh and then of coarse all the players from the side that lost must stay out of

the system until their side retakes that system.

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Well actually, OP's

suggestion would test the strategy skills of the clans and how to control a zone.

PVP

skills would be put to the test since wings will be spread out into small numbers....IE: 2

or 3 clan members defending a system. If the leaders choose to do so.

If ASF or CSF

dedicates too many fighters to one system to defend or conquer...well, that leaves them open

to assault elsewhere.

Leaving the clan leaders to one conclusion......make their clan

desirable to FL's for recruitment......hence more players more territory

covered.

From seeing war in the real world, twice......I can't remember attacking a

mutually scheduled AOO.

This could last for a very long time and I like it.

well whatever, I was just talking about what he talked about at

the beginning of his post, honestly i didn't read the rest, all i know is he didn't

understand exactly what i meant. Anyway, I'll leave the ASF/CSF up to Op and you guys,

I'll go with what Op decides.

Where will freelancers like Pandora and I

fall into this equation?

I'll leave it to op and Dragon too, since they are the bosses. The

only thing they need to do is find a balance.

As for the freelancers, I have another

proposition for you to debate

Yeah like op said, it's good to encourage them to

enter clans, or make one etc. But why not let freelancers that still will not made a clan

and rent a system, make contract with ASF or CSF. i.e if Pandora want's to help ASF, but

don't want to be in BG, you can let her be in ASF with a contract. Give her some duties,

and post in a dedicated thread on the forum.If the freelancer do something stupid, kick it

from the ASF/CSF.

I think that will still be helpfull for the server. It's just a

generel idea and it can be thinked through.

well I am in the process of making a clan, it's a clan

where anyone can join and decide their own level of involvement, those who are more active

get higher ranks, but the even more active members who take the advanced qualification

coarses, like adv. combat, adv. leadership, and special forces, get much higher ranks. I

got a website, it's a crappy free site but it suits my needs for now

www.freewebs.com/havengalactica and construction is depending on how far along I

get as far as planning and resources. Right now I'm looking for people that'll join and

get others to join. I'm sort of killing two birds with one bullet, I'm going to other

FL-related sites and forums and talking about CF, the story, the systems, ships and

equipment, also I'm talking about my clan, what it's all about and what people get for

joining and advancing, so I'm getting people to come to SWAT and I'm recruiting for my

clan, it's not successful yet but I only just started.

So, perhaps we could fit my

clan into this somehow? like freelancers could automatically be enlisted in the CF Militia

(my clan) if they feel they want to contribute to the cause against the CSF (my clan will be

ASF or maybe I'll have two factions inside the clan, one for each side and under seperate

leadership), I dunno, just consider anything that comes to mind.

Oh and btw, about

the freelancers contracting with clans, where they are still FLers with no tags but work for

a clan, I've actually been doing that with the DC for a week or so now, I've got a deal

with them - I hunt their KOS listed people and whatever else they need help with, and I get

to go into their system.

i think op's 1 sugestion is god
and about the

systemwar only 1 system per warday shuld be possible.:
1.day declare war to 1 system

2.day the defending side get in position
3.day the atackers come in system and open

fire,then
the loser of this fight leave the system
4,5day the clans stay to

rest
6.day possible counterstrike-declaration,then it gos again from day2

thats

what i think about the fight about a system
so 1 warday gets up to 1 week

I'm thinking about sort of a FL-risk map. Take Sirius and make it

into a risk map. Use the devision OP suggested, including the non-occupied systems (but only

the old Sirius map). The ASF and CSF has a certain nr of fighters (not linked to the real

world number). They can dispers the fighters over the maps, with a minimum of 1 fighter per

system.
The first few moves will be without (a lot of) fights as both sides occupy the

non-occupied systems (that is, on the map). When they do attack each other, they will have

to announce with what nr of fighters they attack (the max nr is the nr of the departing

system minus 1), and the defending side has to announce with how many fighters they

defend.

Let's say ASF want to attack cambridge, hold by the CSF. ASF attacks from

omega 3. ASF has 8 fighters stationed in omega 3, CSF has 5 fighters stationed in cambridge.

ASF can attack with at most 7 fighters, CSF can defend with at most 5 fighters.
Let's

say that ASF attacks with 4 fighters, and CSF defends with 4 fighters. ASF kills 3 CSF

fighters, but looses all 4 of their fighters, which means that CSF succesfully defended

cambridge in that attackwave. The ASF has now 4 fighters in omega 3, and CSF has 2 fighters

in cambridge. ASF smelling victory and pushes the attack forward: they attack again with 3

fighters, and CSF defends with both 2 fighters. ASF looses 1 fighter, and CSF looses both

fighters. The control of cambridge goes to ASF.
ASF has now 2 fighters in cambridge, and

1 fighter in omega 3.
CSF can now attack a system, but it cannot be the system they just

lost. They has to wait at least one day before they can attack that system

again.

Each they the ASF can launch one attack on one system, as does the CSF. When

both attacks are over, both sides have to wait till the next day before they can attack

again.
With an attack I do not mean one attack wave, but attacking one system from the

other, until the resources are depleated or when the attacking force decides to call it a

day. There is no limit on the nr of attack waves, it is just limited by the risk-nr of

fighters both sides have.

After the day of attack, both sides can make 20

system-jumps. This means that they can move fighters in order to reinforce. There is a

maximum to that movement: 20 system-jumps, meaning that 20 fighters can jump from one system

to the other, or 1 fighter 20 systems, and everything in between, as long as it doesn't

exceed the 20 jumps.

Translation from risk-fighter numbers to FL fighter

numbers.

One FL fighter represent one risk fighter.
This means that when ASF

attacks with 4 risk-fighters, and they have only 3 FL fighters, one fighter can respawn to

rejoin the fight.
Then ASF has 5 FL fighters, but attacks with 4 risk fighters, one has

to sit the whole thing out, and cannot play a part in the event.

Getting new

fighters

Every Monday morning both sides get new fighters to deploy. The number of

those fighters is calculated by the following formula:

if (nr of occupied systems)/3

=< 4
then
nr of new fighters = 8
else
nr of new fighters = ((nr of

occupied systems)*2 /3) rounded to the closest whole number
fi

This means that as

long as one side occupies less than 13 systems, they will receive automatically 8 new

fighters. If one side has 13 or more systems, they will receive 2 * the nr of occupied

systems, devided by three and rounded off. With 13 systems this means that they will get 9

new fighters, with 15 systems that is 10.

The new fighters can only be deployed in

occupied systems. Spies, infiltration and such is not allowed.

For the record: In

this case both the ASF/CSF decides where they want to fight, which system they are planning

to attack. At the beginning ASF thinks: hey, let's get after Hokkaido, and CSF decided to

attack Colorado.

sounds a bit like the

game called risiko...