Downrating mods

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    I_am_Stranger fake/flak88
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    Don_Zardeone ex-section leader of SWAT (removed by me)
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    Since I have these small moddb rating buttons in my signature I got a bit curious about the mod rating again. For a very long time I ignored this topic due to the fact that Crossfire is one of the best rated mods at moddb. From the general rating overview it came to my attention that either people love the mod or they hate it... there is not that much between these 2 extremes.
    Hmm... well...
    Good ratings dont require that much attention but bad ratings do.


    The above names represent the people which gave the worst possible rating to my mod.
    OK. Everyone has an own opinion and the right to voice it... that is absolutely ok. I am not blaming anyone for it.
    I can understand why [TRF]Death_Rain gave such a voting after unpleasant events in the community (mostly my fault), I can understand why Don_Zardeone was angry when I had to make a difficult decision and after the (meanwhile settled) disagreements with panzer225 I am also able to see where this rating comes from.
    "bongart" gave a pretty interesting feedback which I take very serious. He/she is btw. the only one giving a real feedback based on experience with the mod and its community.


    In the above list you see a few comments after the names.
    That is what really bothers and worries me.
    Crossfire received 34 negative ratings (I am just refering to the worst possible vote).
    15 of these 34 votes come from other FL Modders. 8 of these votes belong to fake accounts (which probably also belong to FL modders).... I clearly can say fake accounts because their obvious purpose was to downrate the mod... they were registered and never used since then... no activity in other areas... not even enough online time to download the mod... no active email accounts.


    Motivation of such votes can not be an objective opinion on the done work and the quality of the mod.
    Motivations probably varii.
    I could now say "this one comes from this mod and the other one comes from that community" and "things were done to cause harm" but throwing with stones while sitting in the glasshouse never was a good idea. I just consider it sad to see such stuff happening in the Freelancer community... and it did happen on most FL mod profiles.
    Such stuff does not harm a particular mod... it harms the entire FL community since every mod is part of it.
    It is sad to see that most negative votes on the FL Mod profiles were done by modders of other FL mod projects. Very likely many of them have not even played the mod in order to do a fair and objective vote.


    Just like other modders I am a player aswell.
    Not every mod got a high voting from me... many mods got relative low votings at the beginning and better ones with increasing quality of later mod versions. Some mods got no voting since I did not play them or because I could not make an objective vote at all. In a very few cases I decided against voting or removed it long ago because - eventhough it represents my opinion - it would have caused harm to the project and the FL community.


    Am I totally wrong with that?
    Should I probably re-think my views... maybe even return the favour?



    Id like to get your opinion on this topic... what do you think?

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    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


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    I also find it very frustrating (but it is human nature) for people to form an opinion based on what they heard from other people, specially if it is people they attribute a "authority" to.


    Playing 'fair' has never won naybody anything other than respect - even sometimes to the point of 'loosing' or 'being shut down', but respect is something that can not be purchased at any price.


    If you want my respect, you need to play FAIR in everything you do.


    IF you don't care about myrespect, but to win at all cost - play the game the same as all the others play it.


    I don't vote as I have ever only played 3 mods, and not enough about the other two to make a determination.


    Personally, There are a few things i would like different in CF, but I am here because I respect this community, it's leader and the people that play here.


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    Just my opinion,


    I don't think that "returning the favor" would do any good for SWAT, CF or the FL community. Clearly there are differences of opinion about what constitutes the best of what mods have to offer. Before I came to CF I had checked out many other mods (mostly in SP) and choose to play CF for a variety of reasons. I would expect that there is a certain amount of competitiveness between mod creators and therefore some reactions such as down-voting others work and efforts. It does seem that at this time that FL communities should be more aware that negativity towards other peoples work just doesn't bring positive reactions towards their own work.

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    High percentage of modders in the list only shows that they envy your mod, which means they admit its supremacy (in a way) over their own work. You can be proud of Crossfire, if it causes such reaction.


    That's how I see it.


    P.S. Now I think worse of Gibbon :( Maybe there was no need to reveal all names to public?

    Gibbon on the list got to me as well.


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    other mods receive similar reactions... i just did not take a too close look at them
    and it was not my intention to blame anyone nor did I publish any secrets -> everyone can see the mod reviews at moddb and the related ratings
    like i said... in several cases i can see reasons for ratings... often long forgotten disputes or disagreements... that in many cases do not necessarily reflect current views and relationships

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    Only dead fish swim with the stream.
    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


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    And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

    it is about playing fair and thinking twice before choosing the wrong decisions
    its something that should be considered in future

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    Only dead fish swim with the stream.
    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


    This is ten percent luck,
    Twenty percent skill,
    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will,
    Five percent pleasure,
    Fifty percent pain,
    And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

    ok but those downrates were made ages ago, and as you self already pointed out - running after them is not worth any effort. Its surely not fair - but we cant change that in any way - if people think they need to do it - well thats how it goes. If the majority uprates the mod i would not worry about the few downrates. Considered in future? How? I mean you cannot influence peoples decision to press a button on moddb.

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    I can address a problem and make people think about it.
    Mistakes can only be prevented or undone when people know that something is wrong.

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    Only dead fish swim with the stream.
    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


    This is ten percent luck,
    Twenty percent skill,
    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will,
    Five percent pleasure,
    Fifty percent pain,
    And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

    Last OP's post, correct, this is not about revenges or something, it's about learning from the past, for a better future.


    Pointing at a problem so that people think about it a little, else everything keeps going the same and new ppl with new reasons do/can do the same mistakes.



    It also calls some attention to the topic, and CF.

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    I clearly vote for NOT returning the "favor".
    FIrst it would not change the "situation" at all and second it would just feed the trolls.
    People who don't have arguments or can not express their opinion in a "normal" way will always take such action to pretend not to be the "only ones" who are thinking "bad" about something.


    Same experience I got when the Crossfire community groups got introduced and I made the one for SMG
    One bad rating right after the SMG group was created. I could place a bet on who it was, but for what? It just shows me (personally) that some people are really "desperate".
    Another thing is the "rating" for other peoples posts, if you don't like the person or you dont understand it or whatever, you most likely tend to downrate everything you can only to show "how bad it is".


    If people get a chance to vote for or against something, to rate things up or down, they will always use it. And some will always try to make a rating worse with fake accounts only to make it look more bad.
    And if someone needs to create fake accounts in order to make more rates, they must be really desperate and/or have too much time and too less ability to use their brain before taking such action.


    But thats only my personal opinion.

    I am also with Cresthen.


    To receive such negative ratings , it's either out of vengeance , hate or envying. In this case , I think it's both vengeance and envying(that CF became such an awesome mod and it's always at the top)


    If you return the favor , you wouldn't be any different than them though.


    ( My opinion )

    little investigating => Discoivery mod downrating (1):


    Death-Rain TRF member
    Gibbon modder
    RIP-Soupman modder
    etc etc same ppl as downrating CF...


    i think this rating is not revelant at all.



    Bongart rating is not true (sometimes whole clan got BAN by admin)...if player dont respect clan system could expect only bankruptcy :)


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    Good ratings dont require that much attention but bad ratings do.

    perhaps should receive more attention. Why just the negative things get attention?


    @Vishny: proven.

    having watched news lately?
    was there much good news about stuff which simply "worked"?... or was the majority bad news of accidents, catastrophies, etc.


    people remember bad stuff more... it is naturally expected that working stuff is just normal and not something that needs attention
    stuff that is not working is BAD
    human nature


    negative rating on FL mods sheds a bad light on FL as a whole and is in return also negative for the community

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    Only dead fish swim with the stream.
    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


    This is ten percent luck,
    Twenty percent skill,
    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will,
    Five percent pleasure,
    Fifty percent pain,
    And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

    Maybe. FL mods community is old one and logically have some "bad" stuff. Who will be first to give a hand of reconciliation,for me that question imposes itself.
    Swat-portal is maybe only FL multy mods promotor... personally I would love to have even more news about the FL mods. <=BRIGHT SIDE "that's what I meant when I talked about negative vs positive sides".
    Long tome ago only bot post "welcome" for new members and now that do real ppl. <= bright side.
    etc etc
    I think most present and "future" FL mods have trouble with one question: do FL worth my time...
    ...and when we look on CF, FW, Disco features is it possible to do with the game from 2003. It seems so.


    ps
    and i dont watch news on TV and i dont have interestes to listen " opinions from retarded and corupted journalists". Mostly using i-net for news...
    so I have the freedom of choice.