I have tried, but I have no choice but to leave.

I would wait and see if I were you, in my experience, missiles in 1.82 stopped working if more than 12 -15 players were logged on. With the increased load it would not surprise me if guns were not the best option.

The server stability and load have been improved so that option of using advantage on lag is less probable, though there're still issues with the FL Hook, and we anyway have a media of 25 players logged on daily, with this 1.9 it'll be increasing a lot. The server usually kept a 20+ players online at once the last months.

Tough it's true, "private complains" made certain ships go worse than others, as it always was, but don't give up, there are, is certain player who uses a mix of 4 class 10 guns and certian other guns as Tizona, though there are other mixes, and he usually only use the 4 class 10 guns but in proper moments the tizonas... there were more ppl using such ideas for improving themselves in guns-only combats.

You can try to learn a tactic to use, with help or by yourself as you know yourself better, but don't just give up.

Counting you are a good gunner, maybe you want to try capital ships ? there are new ones, and on them you'll have no issues of missiles and such, while your targeting is expert you can kill anything that's less expert than you, in any ship.

Peace

all ships are balanced by formula to be more equal, no exceptions were made

I'll test the Persephone...

v = m * a

Greeting MY friend firedragon as you know I am not that great on pvp and my ping is high always like 150 0 2 my best ping however i still enjoy fighting with you,
your one of the best i fought here. i am sure that you will find a way to adapt your fighting skill like all great fighter here just give it a chance at list wait for me to download the game and we can learn to fight together my friend.

I am a gunfighter .. not missile user ..

This is not good news for me...

Kind regards

1. the bullpup is not bigger... also the size of ships were adjusted
you might get that impression based on the camera position but reality looks different

2. bullpup (depening on which of those we are talking about) is not faster
again the camera position might lead to subjective feelings

3. the formula used calculated the exact values for the ships based on their class and equipment

4. another thing you might take into credit is the fact that equipment has mass now and changes the way ships handle

And the mass of the equipment? Do we really need to discuss this here?

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Michael, thank you for your offer of help, but you cannot accurately use guns of different projectile speeds.

I know that perfectly, which is why I said only the 4 class 10 guns(same type ofc) are used most of the time, but there are advantages for messing the targeting in certain situations when targeting is a problem.
I can explain more about this on private, I considered myself a gunner as well, but I learnt to mix both ways. In guns-only duels I don't remember somebody beating me, even the Top Gunner Crysis had a 2 vs 3 me wins from 5, loosing by one, combining with misilles the scores were different, better for him. I had to use asteroids and the stations to win a duel Missiles are tricky, and even lucky based when skills are equal or near as there are many things you don't control at them, hit chance, server load/lag, certain forumla's situations depending on your ship's speed, etc.

About the Redemption, it was brought to the game in 1.82 without using an own icon, into Tarsus system because I "found it" existing in the mod without being used at all in the game, neither by NPCs. It wasn't "balanced" and fixed by then, so it had to change more than the rest of the ships that were already balanced-try since 1.8. That dosn't mean I agree or disagree with the current balance you said about, it was just fyi.

Maybe thinking of the equipment's mass, there are even more ways to self-improve your chances as gunner, by thinking (I actually got one)

...I would like you to stay my friend, but if you have really decided to leave, than what can i say... Farewell... We had some great times in IC, and i hope(if you leave) that you'll be back in space soon

If you really don't give it a second chance, you might be sorry for it
but well, you wouldn't be the first abandoning for that reason.

Firedragon: As you might imagine - there are some more important things for me currently than looking for ship acceleration and their handlings. OP stated he altered it - its enough to know currently. If you want to have a faster ship - try and get one.

I am sorry if i sound rough. But OP and the rest of the dev team have certainly more important stuff to do.
We appreciate every hint - that for sure. But please dont get mad with us if we currently consider other points to be more relevant than just ship speed.

Thanks for your understanding
And i am sorry for any inconvenience.

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Bullpup Mk II 1.3415 0.4198 0.4717
Redemption 1.1875 0.3866 0.4317

These are from the .ini files and show Bullpup much faster than Redemption ( I have an Admin programme that lets me look at these files but not alter them).
I can look at every ship and piece of equipment on this mod and compare it, this was part of my job as front of house Admin. So Op, it seems your answers are not correct.
I think Michael spoke correctly when he said some ships were changed more than others due to complaints. Nobody used the Redemption before me, classidying it as slow and heavy, but equipped and handled correctly, it became a top PvP ship.
Due to that I was accused many times of cheating - somethng I have never, ever done. (I quit my Admin job due to "cheating" by other Admin.)
As to missiles - they cause lag, so why is it so terrible to want a decent all gun fighter ?

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1. it pleases me when somebody tries to teach me modding
2. the file containing the ship settings is a plain text file... so what admin program did you need? -> notepad is enough
3. what do you want with those 3 values? Ship agility consists of 9 basic values. Based on those 9 values you can 6 new values which represent basic turning speed and turning acceleration ... putting these into a timeframe you can calculated another 3 values which actually are the real turning speed. If your values would be correct at least the first 2 for each ship would be identical.
4. as huor said... you are not even considering the new flight physics we have introduced such as mass of equipment and commodities or the innertia

I have just calculated the mass/drag coefficient and the turning rates of the different ships...

not all the ships of the same class has the same mass/drag coefficient, making some ships in the same class much more desireable than others...

It seems the redemption is now close to the bottom of the usable ships for PVP fighting ... around 40'th ... as such it is also much weaker against the IC aliens where abilitry tu turn and 'throw the ship around' is very important as well as the 6 lvl 10 guns required to make their days living nightmares..

Kind Regards

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For instance (examples for X axis only)

Redemption 140 mass X m/d Coeff 200 Deg per Sec turn 67.6
Persephone 140 mass X m/d Coeff 487.5 Deg per Sec turn 74.53
Cayman 140 mass X m/d Coeff 1025 Deg per sec turn 90.36