Formal Protest Note

I understand the RP rules like this (and i hope i got `em right):

Cop:
Fines Pirate, Merc, Freelancer engaged in illegal activities. Kills only if fine isn`t paid.
May kill pirate on sight.
May defend Freelancer or Merc attacked by pirates.

Pirate:
Taxes Cop, Merc, Freelancer. Kills only if tax isn`t paid.
May kill cops on sight.

Merc:
Gets hired by cop or goes after bounty set by a cop = Cop for duration of contract.
Gets hired by pirate or goes after bounty set by a pirate = Pirate for duration of contract.

If i`m wrong, smack me with DA BIG HAMMA!

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Originally posted by RogueJet
I understand the RP rules like this (and i hope i got `em right):

Cop:
Fines Pirate, Merc, Freelancer engaged in illegal activities. Kills only if fine isn`t paid.
May kill pirate on sight.

Pirate:
Taxes Cop, Merc, Freelancer. Kills only if tax isn`t paid.
May kill cops on sight.

Merc:
Gets hired by cop or goes after bounty set by a cop = Cop for duration of contract.
Gets hired by pirate or goes after bounty set by a pirate = Pirate for duration of contract.

If i`m wrong, smack me with DA BIG HAMMA!

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Laser for President!

Forgive me mate - but merc is neither a cop or a pirate - and the problem maybe because so many people can only seem to think in two dimensions (black or white)(cop or pirate)

And, and - it seems to me the cops are the only ones that seem to therefore object to merc roleplay (if I agree to your definition above) by going hunt and kill mercs for a good two hours afterwards a merc hit.

Pirates seem to take any merc hits as part as rp without, without having to resort to some sort of collective punishment afterwards.

It used to be the case that if a merc hit you - a "good fight" was all that was needed afterwards - however this all supposes the mercs are being fair in their roleplay.

A Code of Conduct for mercs could help, by clarifying the things they wont do - in terms of fairplay.

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Originally posted by SWAT_OP-R8R

WTF?!?
NO RULE GOT CHANGED - NOT ON THE LAUNCHER, NOT ANYWHERE ELSE
THIS ARE THE RULES THAT ALL (AND WHEN I SAY ALL I MEAN ALL) CLANS DID AGREE ON ALMOST 1 YEAR AGO
SINCE THAT NO ADJUSTMENTS TO THE RULES HAVE BEEN DONE (a matter which by the way can prove at any point of time)

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Sorry, I used poor english. What I meant to say is; the rule is different than the original rules and I didnt realize Cops can fine,kill, and destroy cargo all in one go.

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Originally posted by burro
Sorry, I used poor english. What I meant to say is the rule is different than the original rules and I didnt realize Cops can fine,kill, and destroy cargo all in one go.

They can`t. (I better shut up now, or i`ll just keep adding oil to the fire)

Yes they can. Spiky quoted the rule accurately. Spiky is correct in understanding the rule and I was not.

"If a Smuggler is found with illegal goods, they may be fined and/or have their cargo taken and destroyed."

My 2 cents
I viewed the chance to use bounties as an approach to increase RP. When I'm online and see cops sitting in whatever system and mercs in another while pirates in another.....it seemed that bounties would create an explosion of action in the RP. I believe now that "explosion" is probably right. Of course since I'm a pirate I tend to place bounties on cops....I also place on others who managed to avoid my tax attempts. Seems this has not been beneficial as I had hoped and has probably only deepened the divide amongst some players.
There are some cop'ers and military pilots who I believe that these attempts are fun and that they gladly accept and welcome the challenge.....to those individuals....I say, thanks for taking my bounties in the way they were meant.
For the time being.....I will no longer place bounties or try to create extra RP
Cya in space matey's
Marauder

Burro mate.... If a Smuggler is found with illegal goods, they may be fined and/or have their [SIZE=3]cargo [/SIZE] taken and [SIZE=3]destroyed. [/SIZE]

note the emphasize on "cargo" and "destroyed" ... it doesn't say that a police can fine and then destroy THE SMUGGLER.

when a player gets rid of the cargo it is still in space... thats when WE are allowed to destroy the cargo so others don't beam it on board.

A neutral clan does not take sides, only if it is for their own benefit (i.e. SMUGGLERS). This is when THE PLAYERS are supposed to use their imagination and start the real RP. Pirates make a deal with the smuggler clan... lets say 60/40 split... pirates protect the smugglers from cops and then divide the money. Same can be done with Mercs obviously... smuggler clans hire merc for protection or do a life time contract for a 50/50 split etc....

there is an infinite possibilty of doing RP but people are too fixed on basic rules

and us BG being originally military does not mean that we have higher rights than police, when did that affect our RP as police? never. We play police RP and not military as that is not defined.

It is for the people to make RP and come up with scenarios - they just need to stick to [SIZE=4] SIMPLE [/SIZE] basic rules

It's curious for me how the police RP is "uber" or something. Why haven't i heard Picard or Lucy, pirates that are in constant battle with police (without provocation, just by being pirates) say such thing? Maybe because they kick our ass as frequently as we kick theirs? Usually 2-3 mercs hunt a cop, and if other cops join to defend the target you get upset? Why do you think that u're suddenly not braking the law after u killed a cop or freelancer, if police saw u then u will be fined or fired upon, it's simple as if you atack a pirate. It's good RP and it works.

That is not the issue, because if the rules clearly stated that we would not have any problems whatsoever.There is a lot of crap added that say "cop can attack a merc without asking for fine systems away from a bounty, in the eventuality that he goes after that bounty" which is bullshit, or "a cop can attack a merc if they are known to have illegal activities", this will give some people who already have issues a chance to start making things go wild even more.This is what needs to be clarified in order for RP to be ok for all.And of course m8 you don't hear Lucy or other pirates complaining because that is their RP, to kick some cop ass, however merc RP does not ( not for free anyway )

IMO-Police force take action ,only if merc attack citizen(freelancer)or allied clan m8s for bounty, or after killing civil or allied clan target, within 2 hours from start of RP(kill).

But i personally never had this problem cos i use my common sense and i never was taxed 2 times(from same pee-rat clan) or killed 2 times by PX within 2h, you can ask ur m8s or ppl from other clans or freelancer elders how hard i push RP.
Only problem i experience personally, was:running from RP(F1) and some other minor things.

I am police officer and i follow this simple rules:

1)Arresting/Killing pirates,i pay tax in train always,(never in my fighter char) but sometime chat with them, mostly in later hours(it's up to you) =many good friends within pirate clans

2)Mercenary Only few times i attack them to help my m8s or allied clans,but i try to help citizens when ever i was in situation to do that, we chat a lot=many good friends within PX.

3)Smugglers carrying BMG in general "stop drop the cargo!
"if they drop i destroy cargo, if they don't drop and try to run, i try to kill them with bloody cargo."no time limit=many good friends again in all other clans, unnamed here.

Personally i disagree with "pay fine and go" cos for me this sucks, but i know must be some corrupt cops here and there.

And i was SFP clan Ambassador,adviser/counselor, recruit officer, mother and father for many, in SFP forum admin/mod, Swat staff/mod(short period), and i must admit pressure got me, so no doubt to much in game/forums can be stressed.

You can laugh on it, but this is true if you want to help and change something on forums and in game on server(in sincerity way).So this happen, i can freely say, to all of us.

So i was advised(mostly flamed) to leave the game, forums and all for good.And i am back again.Do you know why?Because i like ppl here and this CF like in fog rules, common sense rules mostly, if you don't believe me try on other servers.
I do not praise CF or OP or SP, this is simple fact for me.

I have no intentions to comment how hard or complicate is one or another role (again fact, and as i remember we agree, in game chat about this or maybe we are not?or Yes?)

So i will ask you all:

Can we be more friendly?
Can we forgive to each other?
Can we lower our stupid proud a little?
Can we help server, game and PX clan in these difficult times, instead of laughing behind the corner?

I am so sure we can, and i believe in us/community, and that's the reason why i wrote this.

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all pls try to help and you shall feel better after this, i assure you.

Thx in advance

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Originally posted by lucy in the sky As for the rules: Is it sooooooooo terribly bad when a new ruleset is in place and then it is found out that maybe one or two little pieces need an adjustment? Not every implication of every sentence of every rule shows itself before the game is being played that way.

we have enough rules i think!
but if an rule not clear or can missinterpreted we need to fix
more rules not well, we need smal rules

for example the fallen rules:

"Fallen are Gentleman Pirats" ! thats all
the following resultant
gentleman > friendly, helpful and so on
pirat > tax ppl , kill police and so on

we fallen dont need more

here an other example:

the Ten Commandments: 279 words
the american Declaration of Independence from 1776:
302 words
the EU import/export edict to buy/sell caramelltoffee:
25.911 words !!!

its an substantial progress

need CF the same???

freaking RP spammers.
go online and play the game.

if there would be a timer counting the time you guys spent on this forum writing your posts, and time your spent on the server .. man, you couldn't even see the server time on column chart ..

Rules are pretty clear, easy to understand (written in very simple english)

Some things were discussed already to many times. If the community agreed like 2 years ago that some things are the best for everyone, then let it be.
This is a gaming community, not a real time economy which needs constant changes.

hats off to spiky, lucy and inferno

spiky for this clear presentation of the rules which shows me that he is one of the very few which actually have read and understand the rules

lucy for the "There's no rule saying i can't kill anybody i damn well like."
-> you can kill anybody... you just need to be willing to accept the consequences

inferno for the "freaking RP spammers. go online and play the game." for just being an undeniable truth

Dope - Burn (and more specifically the churos [for your own health ignore the violent words used in some of the churos])

Can't be more simple than that [9]

Can't repeat what Inferno said cause he already said it, just have some fun instead of wasting breath...

in essences yes but RP makes it more interesting

The rules are very well explained, take it from me 'cause i'm new, that doesn't mean that people choose to play by them, however i play regardless, guess it's the same for all.