I am wondering if it is really that bad.
Star Wars - Rise of Skywalker
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I won't be surprised to be honest. Disney cares about profit now, not quality. And the story ended with Episode 6, I think they should have just started a new story (like in the games) instead of extending the original one.
I was actually going to see it in a few days on 4DX though... but I don't have big expectations for it, I might write again when I watch it. -
to be fair... Disney always cared about money (hmm somehow this does not sound like a pro)
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True ... the love of money corrupts.
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ok first review:
visuals: impressive
everything else: meh
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I knew it... making everything for the visuals and not quality
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oh i forgot... music is good aswell... typical starwars
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I just had a phone call with my brother and he said that it was good, but it is well known that they are pushing the feminism agenda, but... I don't know, now I am having second thoughts of whether to watch it or not.
Rogue One was truly the best one that they had made so far... the rest were either copies (Ep7 being a copy of Ep4) or crap. -
watch it and form your own opinion
You can watch it... you can enjoy it... you just should not think about it too much.
And yes, I am also a big fan of Rogue One. Nostalgia effect and a new perspective on the story.
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Yeah... I am going Monday to the Cinema to watch it with a bunch of friends, but I don't have high expectations and the things that you said about the effects, that's what I am expecting and not a great storyline.
Rogue One was truly the greatest one... it had the real Star Wars atmosphere and how the original episodes must have been made.
But regarding the IX Episode, I am most eager for that:
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I will be going on this movie tomorrow with my son ... this new series is for me not easy to rate because for me are star wars about previous three movies and above mentioned Rogue One was good addition to it. Also these new heroes are not as much a "persones" like Luke or Han Solo were ... really, for me personally hard to compare.
New heroes simply do not fit exactly to my tastes, maybe because they are next generation ... not easy to overcome this
Will look on review above after I will see it first ... honestly, I'm looking forward to see this movie ... and Im really curious how my son (9) will see it
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The movie might not be so bad if it wouldnt supposed to be the final one... the one that concludes 42 years of Star Wars. Episode 6 had a way better conclusion and was much more satisfying to watch.
Generally I agree that the new cast is not really good. That is fault of bad writing and somehow even a forced agenda.
Rey was written to be the new female hero which by default is nothing wrong. It is the way how it was done that makes it wrong. She was written to be perfect and every male in the movies were portrait to be flawed. weak idiots (even the characters of the old movies -> Luke, the grumpy old man that failed to train his Padawan and Han who was such a bad father and husband).
But Rey... is perfect.
From the very first moment she met Finn she took the leader role and be everybodies best friend, despite spending her whole life isolated. She instantly can use the force and defeats every enemy in light saber combat despite never having any training at all. She can fly spaceships despite never have done that before. She can swim like a dolphin, despite growing up on a desert planet.
Give her a task and she will perfectly get it done. As a result Rey has absolutely no character development over these three movies.
And since all male characters around her are somewhat flawed... are in conflict with others and with their own self it makes the hero of this movie unrealistic and unlikable.
In contrast to this are the heroes of the previous 6 movies not perfect. They had to evolve.
Luke at the end of episode 4 was insecure (prior destroying the deathstar), he knew nearly nothing about the force. In Episode 5 he got training by Yoda and failed multiple times during his training and also when facing Vader. Even in Episode 6 he struggled to stay on his path when seeing his friends getting ambushed.
Anakin went through a similar character development in episode 1-3. The chosen one failed multiple times even after a decade of intense Jedi training.
Obi Wan failed.
A true hero never is perfect.
A true hero needs to fail at some point and then decide to stand up again and learn from the mistakes.
This is completely missing in Episode 7-9.
Even in the final movie this isn't really done.
With Episode 7 I hoped that this was just a rough start for the sequel trilogy and that the following movies would focus more on more interesting themes like Finn.... the conflicted Stormtrooper that was kidnapped as boy and now ran away from the First Order. But... this certainly interesting point of view was completely abandoned.
Instead already existing themes were destroyed.
Luke, the wise Jedi master and Han Solo ran away from their problems instead of facing them like they would before.
When Luke was training with Yoda on Dagobah in Episode 5 he sensed that his friends were in danger (far far away) and decided to abort his training to rescue them.
Either he lost this ability in the new movies or he simply gave a shit when Han died and Leia was tossed into empty space.
Leia on the other side pulled off some Jedi tricks in the new movies and I would have preferred is she didn't. It would have been so much cooler if Vaders daughter simply decided against using the force and instead focused on what she already was good in -> leading/politics.
The decision to swim against the stream would have made Leia a stronger and more believable character in the new movies.
Whatever character you take in the new movies.... it is terribly told.
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Thanks for the insights and the thought-provoking analysis!
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Good analysis, which when I think about it, fits precisely to this new serie. However I need to say that I was not disappointed with the last movie. Some scenes were predictable, some I would like to be done different way, but imo 53% is too rough. I would personally give 70% and add another 10% if these new heroes approached to me more. I expect that many would disagree with what I will say now, but imo this last movie was the best one from this new trilogy. My son liked movie much, maybe because it was more simpler and more easier understandable. I think he liked it more as Avengers which imo (when compared with these Star Wars) were done better (and that above said with good and bad for a hero is there significantly implemented ... maybe this is why I liked them much more).
My personal advice for everyone who want go into cinema: do not think about things too much and enjoy action. This movie is not bad and reviews will simply spoils your fun.
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The movie might not be so bad if it wouldnt supposed to be the final one... the one that concludes 42 years of Star Wars. Episode 6 had a way better conclusion and was much more satisfying to watch.
Generally I agree that the new cast is not really good. That is fault of bad writing and somehow even a forced agenda.
Rey was written to be the new female hero which by default is nothing wrong. It is the way how it was done that makes it wrong. She was written to be perfect and every male in the movies were portrait to be flawed. weak idiots (even the characters of the old movies -> Luke, the grumpy old man that failed to train his Padawan and Han who was such a bad father and husband).
But Rey... is perfect.
From the very first moment she met Finn she took the leader role and be everybodies best friend, despite spending her whole life isolated. She instantly can use the force and defeats every enemy in light saber combat despite never having any training at all. She can fly spaceships despite never have done that before. She can swim like a dolphin, despite growing up on a desert planet.
Give her a task and she will perfectly get it done. As a result Rey has absolutely no character development over these three movies.
And since all male characters around her are somewhat flawed... are in conflict with others and with their own self it makes the hero of this movie unrealistic and unlikable.
In contrast to this are the heroes of the previous 6 movies not perfect. They had to evolve.
Luke at the end of episode 4 was insecure (prior destroying the deathstar), he knew nearly nothing about the force. In Episode 5 he got training by Yoda and failed multiple times during his training and also when facing Vader. Even in Episode 6 he struggled to stay on his path when seeing his friends getting ambushed.
Anakin went through a similar character development in episode 1-3. The chosen one failed multiple times even after a decade of intense Jedi training.
Obi Wan failed.
A true hero never is perfect.
A true hero needs to fail at some point and then decide to stand up again and learn from the mistakes.
This is completely missing in Episode 7-9.
Even in the final movie this isn't really done.
With Episode 7 I hoped that this was just a rough start for the sequel trilogy and that the following movies would focus more on more interesting themes like Finn.... the conflicted Stormtrooper that was kidnapped as boy and now ran away from the First Order. But... this certainly interesting point of view was completely abandoned.
Instead already existing themes were destroyed.
Luke, the wise Jedi master and Han Solo ran away from their problems instead of facing them like they would before.
When Luke was training with Yoda on Dagobah in Episode 5 he sensed that his friends were in danger (far far away) and decided to abort his training to rescue them.
Either he lost this ability in the new movies or he simply gave a shit when Han died and Leia was tossed into empty space.
Leia on the other side pulled off some Jedi tricks in the new movies and I would have preferred is she didn't. It would have been so much cooler if Vaders daughter simply decided against using the force and instead focused on what she already was good in -> leading/politics.
The decision to swim against the stream would have made Leia a stronger and more believable character in the new movies.
Whatever character you take in the new movies.... it is terribly told.
Exactly, that's what's called the "Luciferian Agenda", meaning that they turn everything upside down. The movie is shit, it's only cool for the effects if we have to be honest and I don't care that it's Star Wars... everything is going down the drain (I hope I said it correctly).
But anyway, I agree with everything that you said, so no point in adding more wood to the fire in this case. And Star Wars is not the first nor will be the last movie that they put this agenda in, everything that comes out of Unhollywood will be like this unfortunately.
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Llike i said, you can enjoy the movie if you dont think about it too much.
I could ask you at least 2 dozen questions about stuff that happens in the movie and you would not be able to tell me why that is even possible.
The movie is driven by a huge amount of coincidences
- like the 2nd transporter that nobody was able to see for some reason
- that despite the first order has troops everywhere in the galaxy only ONE first order ship was at the final battle
- that this ONE ship was the command ship with the only antenna to guide the fleet
- that the emperor looked so... "fresh" compared to the old movies
- why there was a convenient pit in the emperors throne room
- why Rey "collapsed" after melting the emperor (she was not injured)
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- like the 2nd transporter that nobody was able to see for some reason
- there were several cuts in movie during time when was Chewie captured and they come with lets say believable way how he can survive (actually this one was not the worst "coincidence" imo ) ... Rey's lightings skill used here was more weird
- there were several cuts in movie during time when was Chewie captured and they come with lets say believable way how he can survive (actually this one was not the worst "coincidence" imo ) ... Rey's lightings skill used here was more weird
- that despite the first order has troops everywhere in the galaxy only ONE first order ship was at the final battle
- maybe they were on board of these other new super-destroyers? ... someone was on boards, first order troops presence imo is logical choice.
- maybe they were on board of these other new super-destroyers? ... someone was on boards, first order troops presence imo is logical choice.
- that this ONE ship was the command ship with the only antenna to guide the fleet
- an obviously weaker point in the story. But personally I would give them credit, that there existed at least one backup system for navigation. I reminding few more SW cases where was destroyed something (just one thing without any backup) which was lead to the "Victory". And this one command ship was commanded by general which worked for the Emperor ... here Im not sure, wasn't this general killed by DV in previous trilogy?
- an obviously weaker point in the story. But personally I would give them credit, that there existed at least one backup system for navigation. I reminding few more SW cases where was destroyed something (just one thing without any backup) which was lead to the "Victory". And this one command ship was commanded by general which worked for the Emperor ... here Im not sure, wasn't this general killed by DV in previous trilogy?
- that the emperor looked so... "fresh" compared to the old movies
- I'm not quite sure about this point to be honest. In previous trilogy he was killed by Darth Vader and in third movie of this new trilogy he appeared from nowhere. I would see as much more believable if there was spirit of Snoke used in the last movie. Emperor appearance looked like he "survived", somehow, his fall into energy pit (during the fight when he was "killed" by Darth Vader), which destroyed his body but not his mind
- why there was a convenient pit in the emperors throne room
- maybe because there it was where Emperor "lost" his physical body when "killed" by DV?
- why Rey "collapsed" after melting the emperor (she was not injured)
- to make it look more dramatic? (it was soo transparent, sigh) ... honestly that final part was one from weakest imo;; the finall battle against Snoke and his guards was done better in previous movie. It looked like they were running out of available free time (for a movie) and wanted finish it as fast as possible (confrontation with last battle in Avengers shows HUGE difference and SW fails here significantly). I can imagine more different ways how could be this last part of episode IX done better and they would not need too much more added time.
My view above, and Im not sure if my SW lore knowledge is good enough for this
- like the 2nd transporter that nobody was able to see for some reason
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- like the 2nd transporter that nobody was able to see for some reason
- there were several cuts in movie during time when was Chewie captured and they come with lets say believable way how he can survive (actually this one was not the worst "coincidence" imo ) ... Rey's lightings skill used here was more weird
- In the wide open desert nobody did see a 2nd transporter landing, nobody did see a 2nd transporter launching. But it was clearly visible that Chewie was put into a transporter right next to that smuggler ship. Well, that is a good magic trick if you ask me. Either that or a terrible plot hole.
- In the wide open desert nobody did see a 2nd transporter landing, nobody did see a 2nd transporter launching. But it was clearly visible that Chewie was put into a transporter right next to that smuggler ship. Well, that is a good magic trick if you ask me. Either that or a terrible plot hole.
- there were several cuts in movie during time when was Chewie captured and they come with lets say believable way how he can survive (actually this one was not the worst "coincidence" imo ) ... Rey's lightings skill used here was more weird
- that despite the first order has troops everywhere in the galaxy only ONE first order ship was at the final battle
- maybe they were on board of these other new super-destroyers? ... someone was on boards, first order troops presence imo is logical choice.
- Don't you think that when the Emperor build his galaxy destroying fleet he might have thought about such little details such as having a crew for these ships (even if the First Order refused to cooperate)? IF these Star Destroyers were full of First Order crew... how did they get there? Where are their ships? Its a logistical nightmare to swap crews (for whatever strange reason)... and that in only 16 hours (I btw. had the feeling that that were the longest 16 hours ever - now that I think about it this was the worst Bond villein move I've seen in a long time. "Whohooo, I just want to share my evil plan with all you so you have a chance to prepare for it.").
- Don't you think that when the Emperor build his galaxy destroying fleet he might have thought about such little details such as having a crew for these ships (even if the First Order refused to cooperate)? IF these Star Destroyers were full of First Order crew... how did they get there? Where are their ships? Its a logistical nightmare to swap crews (for whatever strange reason)... and that in only 16 hours (I btw. had the feeling that that were the longest 16 hours ever - now that I think about it this was the worst Bond villein move I've seen in a long time. "Whohooo, I just want to share my evil plan with all you so you have a chance to prepare for it.").
- maybe they were on board of these other new super-destroyers? ... someone was on boards, first order troops presence imo is logical choice.
- that this ONE ship was the command ship with the only antenna to guide the fleet
- an obviously weaker point in the story. But personally I would give them credit, that there existed at least one backup system for navigation. I reminding few more SW cases where was destroyed something (just one thing without any backup) which was lead to the "Victory". And this one command ship was commanded by general which worked for the Emperor ... here Im not sure, wasn't this general killed by DV in previous trilogy?
- Ok they switched to the backup system when they noticed what the main target is but then they somehow totally forgot to switch back to the main antenna when the backup system was destroyed (I mean... this option certainly existed). They could have switched back to the main antenna the moment the rebels landed on the command ship. Or why not simply let the rebels attack the main antenna and then blast that thing away with all these destroyers. And wtf happened to the millions of turbo lasers these destroyers actually should be equipped with? Not even one really fired. And then these Star Destroyers literally fell apart when taking a few hits from a X-Wing. I remember these ships to be pretty tanky.... at least they were in the old trilogy... and even in Rogue One. What happened in this space battle was a joke.
- Ok they switched to the backup system when they noticed what the main target is but then they somehow totally forgot to switch back to the main antenna when the backup system was destroyed (I mean... this option certainly existed). They could have switched back to the main antenna the moment the rebels landed on the command ship. Or why not simply let the rebels attack the main antenna and then blast that thing away with all these destroyers. And wtf happened to the millions of turbo lasers these destroyers actually should be equipped with? Not even one really fired. And then these Star Destroyers literally fell apart when taking a few hits from a X-Wing. I remember these ships to be pretty tanky.... at least they were in the old trilogy... and even in Rogue One. What happened in this space battle was a joke.
- an obviously weaker point in the story. But personally I would give them credit, that there existed at least one backup system for navigation. I reminding few more SW cases where was destroyed something (just one thing without any backup) which was lead to the "Victory". And this one command ship was commanded by general which worked for the Emperor ... here Im not sure, wasn't this general killed by DV in previous trilogy?
- that the emperor looked so... "fresh" compared to the old movies
- I'm not quite sure about this point to be honest. In previous trilogy he was killed by Darth Vader and in third movie of this new trilogy he appeared from nowhere. I would see as much more believable if there was spirit of Snoke used in the last movie. Emperor appearance looked like he "survived", somehow, his fall into energy pit (during the fight when he was "killed" by Darth Vader), which destroyed his body but not his mind
- I for sure did not see this guy:
This is what grandpa Palpatine should look like. Only with such a look you can explain why he needed an ancient Sith dagger which leads to one of the two pathfinder devices (you better have 2 of them if you are that old and cant remember where you left the first one) which leads the way back home. Yeah, grandpa needs to be absolutely sure to find the way back home. At such and age you cant just put the course into an ordinary computer terminal or maybe even a Sith holocron (which conveniently would ensure that only Sith find the way to Exogul). - Oh god, the dagger, the ancient dagger... which for some reason had the shape of the death star debris on Endor. Yeah that is strange, how do you forge a dagger that has the shape of something that did not exist when the dagger was forged? Is there time travel involved? And what would have happened if Rey did use the dagger standing at a different location (I assume the shape would not match)? Oh, this plot hole is deep.
- I for sure did not see this guy:
- I'm not quite sure about this point to be honest. In previous trilogy he was killed by Darth Vader and in third movie of this new trilogy he appeared from nowhere. I would see as much more believable if there was spirit of Snoke used in the last movie. Emperor appearance looked like he "survived", somehow, his fall into energy pit (during the fight when he was "killed" by Darth Vader), which destroyed his body but not his mind
- why there was a convenient pit in the emperors throne room
- maybe because there it was where Emperor "lost" his physical body when "killed" by DV?
- He was killed by Vader during the battle of Endor (where Rey did the sailing stunt and later on healed Kylo Ren). That is far far away from Exagol (the Sith Homeworld, which actually is not the Sith Homeworld at all. The Sith were from Korriban. JJ Abrams did not even bother to look into the lore.)
- maybe because there it was where Emperor "lost" his physical body when "killed" by DV?
- why Rey "collapsed" after melting the emperor (she was not injured)
- to make it look more dramatic? (it was soo transparent, sigh) ... honestly that final part was one from weakest imo;; the finall battle against Snoke and his guards was done better in previous movie. It looked like they were running out of available free time (for a movie) and wanted finish it as fast as possible (confrontation with last battle in Avengers shows HUGE difference and SW fails here significantly). I can imagine more different ways how could be this last part of episode IX done better and they would not need too much more added time.
- I dont like the ending at all. It is just ridiculous. The space battle, the way how the emperor was defeated, the reanimation scene. Worst is that throughout the entire movie they ignore stuff that breaks the story for the previous movies. I mean, lets just take this fancy healing power that Rey and Kylo can use with ease. I am pretty sure Anakin Skywalker would have loved to use this power to heal Padme. This force power conflicts with the story of previous movies and nobody can tell me that Obi Wan or Yoda forgot to teach Anakin such a power while it would be the most useful power a Jedi could use. JJ Abrams pulled this power out of his arse, not thinking about if it fits to the already existing movies.
- to make it look more dramatic? (it was soo transparent, sigh) ... honestly that final part was one from weakest imo;; the finall battle against Snoke and his guards was done better in previous movie. It looked like they were running out of available free time (for a movie) and wanted finish it as fast as possible (confrontation with last battle in Avengers shows HUGE difference and SW fails here significantly). I can imagine more different ways how could be this last part of episode IX done better and they would not need too much more added time.
There is so much that simply does not fit together in this movie. Many plot holes, many fancy ideas which do not fit to the already existing movies. But to be fair... it is not the worst Star Wars movie out there. Episode 8 and the SOLO movie were even worse.
But thinking about Episode 8 lets me realize how inconsequential Episode 9 was continued. The crap that happened in Episode 8 was largely ignored... just like it never happened. The romance part between Finn and Rose never was mentioned again. DJ the hacker was never seen again and the Rebellion also did not seem to have suffered much from being almost whiped out in Episode 8. At least they made jokes of the "Holdo maneuver".
In my eyes ignoring the events of an entire movie or making jokes about it was not really the best approach. It showed that they did not have the balls to deal with the mess of the previous movie but I think it would have been important to start exactly there. By ignoring it they ended up in a situation where stuff remained unresolved.
- like the 2nd transporter that nobody was able to see for some reason
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I went to see it in the Cinema on 23th of December (sorry for taking a little too long to log in here)
And yeah, exactly what I was expecting.... waste of money. , at least it was awesome seeing a familiar face (you know who).
Basically:The feminism agenda making that girl like a 'Supergirl' and all of the men useless or feeling like a weight, the lesbo kiss at the end... I am done with Hellyweird. ALL of the rest is exactly like you said, it'll be pointless of writing it again so I agree completely with ya mates and to be honest exactly what I've expected from this garbage called Star Wars.