Server Rules - PvP Bots/Bats

Hi fellow space pilots,

still quite new to the server, had lately some discussions
about using batts/bots, also with KRT-Inferno, who
seems to claim here that he doesnt like when a fighter
reloads...

well, my 5 cents to that, is this little story:

I'm still building up my chars, so trading is essential for
me at the moment, to buy all the stuff and have some
spare cash for ammo. One day, a KRT member told me
"hey lets do traderun together, agents lists to earth",
I thought, OK, why not...

20min later Inferno joined, scanned me ship, switched to a
char positioned on the route, and told me to drop the
cargo... I had only about 10mil left on my trader, of
course I didnt agree to lose almost all my cash, so
I went into fight.. thought I had no chance, with that
train and those Katana turrets, but anyway I tried,
and shot his shield down and hull to 1pixel or so,
he had to reload 2 or 3 times, until finally shot me down
which made me a bit angry, but well, multiplayer games
are dangerous sometimes

Short time later, I was chatting a bit, told some other
guy, that I nearly shot that fighter with me crappy train,
he answered then "what, thats forbidden, or at least,
clan members agreed not to reload in fighter PvP"...
didn't know about that until then.

Well, contrary to the statements here, KRT told me very
clearly, that "no reloading" is not in the server rules, so
he will use it, he also said, that PvP would be only
fighter vs fighter, not fighter vs train, which sounded
more than strange to me (fighter vs fighter no, but against
train, which is lot weaker target, he thinks it's ok???)

After finding and reading this topic, it's now very clear
for me, that the so-called "knights" are some of most
unhonorable fighters here, he saw that he would lose,
was probably pissed about that and didn't care about
that common convention about reloading anymore,
which he knew, since he also read this thread here.

Plus, after getting angry bout that, switching to my
fighter and bashing 3 KRT in a row (being newbie in
that mod), showed me, why trains are their favorite
targets, lol

For me, I'll stick to LP's and BG's attitude.. u dont lose
much when get shot in a fighter (opposed to 30min
playing time and 50mil cash in a train) without reloading,
but lose ur honor with reloading.

At least, he offered me 24h immunity after that, but for
the rest, well u can make ur own thoughts about it.

CmdrJameson out [8]

hi jameson, well, I used bats bots 2 time I think, one of them cause i was a newbie and I was carrying osme unmouted expensive equipment (today I would not do it), and the other because some guy decidid to start shootme without any warning (well yesterday I got lucky and I closed chat window in time, remenber it),
on thing I think is good is goos is to shoot 1 or 2 times for warning, and then start the fight.

Very interesting read.

Used bots and nanos when the Angel of Death was hunting me all over the place when I first joined this community.

Used them again in my first official PVP against Tanatos and was advised of the rules.

Used them once again when PROKILLER was shooting me in the back after I think he undocked and crashed into me and thought I had fired at him (killed me before I could explain).

Someone mentioned earlier that PVP should be down to skills and equipment - but is not bots/nanos part of the equipment categories? Aren't they a decision when choosing a ship? Just as buying Champion Shield or Project Pheonix Guns? Does not OP look at balance of the bot/shield ratio to cargo/speed when designing ships? It certainly looks like there is a balance being done and bots are included in the decision making

Don't remember using them again in PVP but I have been a bit suspicious of some players - but maybe that is more due to my poor shooting skills

Anyway - I say
Dont allow them in agreed PVP (where rules r agreed b4 fight) or Arena
Remove them or raise price to 1mill each or something.
Limit the nano/shields to 25 each for all created ships (should be easy to do)

I may be a poor pilot as I could not have travelled through the Nomad Systems and to the Sovetskya without using them and then tractoring new ones - am I the only one using them against Nommies?

I accept the offical rules of VHF PVP is that u dont use them.

Hi,

I'm no expert, but even I can ascertain that a fighter reloading against a train is bad form, without question. If what you say is true then there is a tremendous amount of hypocrisy here. KRT needs to sign on to this discussion.

A few weeks ago, KRT's King Arthur and I chatted awhile. He seemed like a decent guy, enthusiastic about his new clan and its role in the Crossfire universe. He was recruiting members. We discussed the possibility of my joining, but I never followed through with it. I had some unanswered questions that I never got the chance to resolve. I am nothing if not deliberate in my choices. (Some might say I am <i>too</i> deliberate.)

I was informed that the KRT clan was a fighting clan that helped new players and helped protect against this-or-that sinister group. Sounds perfectly reasonable for a clan titled "Knights of the Round Table." Fitting. A good concept.

I personally have had no negative experiences with KRT. But there are a number of people on this forum telling some less-than-flattering tales about them. Some have accused them of "unknightliness," of acting as pirates disguised as police, waylaying smugglers and then tractoring in the blown illegal cargo for their own gain.

And now this. KRT needs to step forward and clear their name. Perhaps there are some "Black Knights" spoiling an otherwise promising clan. Or else perhaps they could change their name and call themselves BKRT? Maybe be a pirate clan? KRT turns to "the dark side." That might be kinda cool, actually.[bat]

If i can add my 2 cents about this...

I come from a server where everyone use bats and bots, and its not bad. Since every one regen, it make it fair for everyone. It all depend on how the mod is ballance i think. If it take half an hour to take someone down without using Bats and bots, using them could make the battle very long. But if it doesnt take long to kill someone, it make sence to use them. Also RP wise it make lot of sence to use them, cause if it were real life, i bet everyone would use them... Its part of the game so why not use them... If everyone would use them, we wouldn't have to decide what is honorable and what is not, Frieghter should be allowed to use them, what about when you are outnumbered? etc.... Its a lot more complicated not to use bats and bots than using them.

Sinner:
If it doesnt take long to kill someone, then you are either evenly matched and in crappy ships, or one of you is much better equipped in equipment and experieince, whereas the PVP should not have been started in the first place. Ive never used either in any PVP, simply because it all goes faster. Because of that, i usually try to pair up with someone who is in a ship of equal quality.

CmdrJameson
I've never had a bad personal experience with any clan member, and i hope i never will. But if your in a freighter and a fighter attacks you (such as was your case), it is allowed for you in the train to use bots and batts. If your attacked in a train and the fighter reloads, its one more thing against him, because he should not have attacked you in the first place.

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Originally posted by Finisher
And now this. KRT needs to step forward and clear their name. Perhaps there are some "Black Knights" spoiling an otherwise promising clan. Or else perhaps they could change their name and call themselves BKRT? Maybe be a pirate clan? KRT turns to "the dark side." That might be kinda cool, actually.[bat]

This is on the way. Some of our members like STORM for example is kicked out, becouse of smuggling and broke our onw rules.

on that day when CF develops to a server where the use of bats/bots against players is normal BG will leave the server

If there isn't any official rules - maybe we should write them?

Let me see . ..

In PVP, where both parties agree, these should be no use of Nanos etc

Freighters should be able to use Nanos in fights versus VHF, howver this probably wont be an agreed PVP as who in their right mind would take on a VHF in a freighter?

New players/low level players should be able to use Nans when attacked and overwhelmed by superior firepower and can also reserve the right to post a disparaging post on the forum about their killer but note its dangerous out there and they could be killed.

In terms of what is honourable or not - that would be difficult to get census on I think and we have to acknowledge some killing will not be done honourably.

As for smuglers, well they are smugglers anyway so we cant expect them to follow any honourable rules right?

there wont be official rules about that
if some1 reloads he will die - finito

There we go - here are the official rules

See post above.

Godd discussion though.

I must add something:

I also chatted a while with several guys here, to get to
know the rules, common habits (e.g. play also TNG, use
of botts/bats is normal, and even part of strategy.. if
u wait for shield to reload, or better use batts...) and
such...

I don't remember exactly but I think it was a guy of the
server police, CFPD I think (could be wrong though), he
told me, that practically everyone uses that traderoute
to earn his cash, also CFPD, or BG, I also saw KRT
trading (Storm topic, seems to be closed now). He also
told me, that smuggler hunting happens just sometimes,
with announcement or such.

But, since 2 days, just everytime I logged in and tried
to get some cash (still building up chars, 2-3 ships with
equipment cost really a lot), I got surprised by switching
characters in sol route, and killing my newbie train,
2 times I hadn't even cash left to buy another full cargo.
Even with artifacts, I got shot... I tried 4-5 runs last
days and just couldnt trade, instead of making >150mil
profit, I lost over 100mil and lots of hours playing time,
in the very first days for me on this server...

Looking at those 250mil and 2 days of playing often for
nothing, it seems a bit ridiculous that we pirates should
tax first, for lousy max. 5mil and leave them then for 24h!

Today's highlight was, when I engaged a single UAC,
he docked at station and just stayed there instead to
fight... but yesterday it was no problem for them,
including IOC and CFPD, to attack me 4vs1 in California...
instead of staying docked or hidin in NY, I went to
the slaughtering again and again... (priv joined, was 5-2
then) - so what, u dont lose much when dying in a fighter!

So, guys, is it really so much fun for u to hunt down
new player's trade ships? And fleeing on single encounters?

I hope I'll soon be able to put some battleships at
trade selling stations, stay in NY all day until I see
someone trading, switching quickly and blowing up
all his cash, seems like that's what u want here [3]

Arrrrrr, the war has begun!

CmdrJameson out!

P.S.: thats no complaining here, nobody cheated or such,
just to give u my first impressions that I had here

jameson, we were not after you, we were after Privy in retaliation for taxing Cyb.

I only shoot you when you atacked me, in the end I was about to leave the server and you shoot me without warning.

Cyb engage you in retaliation o something that hapened before, I don't know what.

And yes, be a pirate means more to be hunted then to hunt or tax.

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And yes, be a pirate means more to be hunted then to hunt or tax.

Maybe time to change that and bring back sum fear into sirius and altair [8]

Ship ahoy!
Three master bill off the starboard bow!
Man the cannons!
FIRE!

[3] come on, I know you want it, make my wish come true [3]

huh, what wish? naaaah, it be rather ur nightmare

The Earl of Spam thinks the last few posts are too far off-topic (bad sign) .

I was interested in two aspects of Jameson's post.

1) Why was IOC and UAC teamed up with krt and CFPD against one LP? I didn't know IOC and UAC had a police role. And come guys, did gunny really need all that help against one new guy?

2) Why was CFPD shooting LP trains not hauling BMGs?

To the second question: I got my answer from CFPD last night, "LP are pirates, its rp"

So be it. We enjoy our roleplay.

If there are going to be so many police clans shooting up our trains repeatedly in the same day, I'm going to suggest to LP leadership that they revisit our taxation policy specifically the amount and the 24hr rule.

We have new recruits in need of cash as well, and the current policy may be putting them at a disadvantage.

Let see.

In about an hour a police friendly clanmember can net 45mil from a sucessful Sol run. Less 5 mil if they are taxed.

An LP Pirate must successfully tax 9 different trains in that same hour before being run off by multiple members of the 6 police role clans to do the same.

In the next hour, a police friendly clanmember can repeat the run without the cost of being taxed, but an LP must find 9 different trains that haven't been taxed by an LP that day.

This should make recruiting fun.

1º -IOC didn't hunted Jameson (was hunting Privy at the moment)

2º-IOC will don't atack any trains. It's not a decision yet but I will work for it. (and I think that never happened)

3º-IOC never worked with KRT. (if it did was an lonely act)

4º-IOC isa freelancer clan (wich make us mercs and traders) and have the right of hunt in retaliation of acts comited against menbers or allies.

5º-We don't help anybody if help isn't requested.
As you sad we have not police role play. (we did not help CFPD in that moment 'cause the help was refused)

Argos,

Pls accept my apology for including your clan in my post. It was not my intention to single your clan out. It was reported to me that Jameson was engaged 4 on 1 and then 5 on 2 when privy arrived.

But you do play a police role, when members of your clan alone or in conjunction with other clans oppose pirates. That not an accusation, its just how the rp works in practice.

As for you shooting trains, Jameson was clear that he didn't think IOC or UAC shot his train. That was CFPD and KRT.

I only included your clan in my post as you were in the fight.

Im curious. You will seek retribution against pirates for taxing, thats ok. Do you seek retribution against CFPD when they catch you smuggling? How about KRT? And DCs?