my political statement to the Ukrainian crisis

I will say only that Krim is now part from Russia and Obama have to swallow it and stop to trying to make taxes for that.
Personal view:
I'm glad from that, because the people in Krim was the one who wanted this to happen, so it's not annexation (something that our media say in the news).
And only when something that the people want is done, then they can be happy

when in 5-10 years they change their minds coz lets say... life in ukraine has become so much better
coz they have the change to make a similar decision then and vote to leave russia?

and wtf gives Putin the right to say what has to be written into the new ukraine constitution?

stuff like this is highly disturbing if you ask me:
Vladimir Putin Wants To Conquer Belarus, The Baltic States And Finland Says Former Advisor
Vladimir Putin ‘wants to regain Finland’ for Russia, adviser says - Europe - World - The Independent

Ukraine and the rest separated from Russia (some through conflict or certain political tricks, some thx to the USSR disbanding) due to the incredibly hard life they were having there. If you didn't know, 10 million Ukrainians (in the actual Ukraine's territory) died of hunger in the last years they had under USSR. (Same happened inside USSR which caused their own personal revolution, the tirrany was just too much).
The economy state in Ukraine which blocked it from joining the EU (keeping it as a candidate for all that time) was thanx to their 14-palace president who forced the country to submit to Russian "donations" which had great taxes/interests. Obviously having those palaces, a main street made just for one of your palaces, and such while the country did not have funds for paying the elder's pensions for one out of 3 months is totally normal, yet the people kicked him out of the country which clearly shown how the president was a Russian puppet, as he's now speaking together with the russian politicians, so the accusations against him not being patriot was proven true.

Also, if you might want to know that Crimea is still Ukranian hence the new constitution is not "started", officially, as well as the UN General Assembly (the main one with all the 193 countries, not the G15 one which ended up with 13 votes in favor of seeing the Crimea seccession invalid, 1 Russian against it and 1 China abstaining, showing that China is not supporting Russia on this).

The result on the major deal was 100 pro, 11 against, and 58 abstaining from voting, part of them because of Russia's "explanation of the situation" aka threats to several member countries which are ex-USSR territories.

You can investigate more about it from your own sources if you want. What I said, except the threats part which only us who live(d) in areas controlled by USSR in the past know how it works, is clear data, nothing biased.
U.N. General Assembly declares Crimea secession vote invalid
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Who cares who this country did belong long ago? If we would argue this way we could say we all would be one country, wouldn't we (Gondwana?). Its also not important how Ukraine got its independence from Ruissa - there were contracts and it does not require just one to sign a contract. Its absolute irrelevant.

The thing here is surely was it against international law or not? Most if not all (except Russia) are saying yes. It is breaking the international law, eventual even human rights (not sure about that).

And for my understanding it doesnt play a role who or which nation break these rules. If they are broken then we have to do something against it. And in the same way it is right to say that the international community does not accept the vote and that Crimea is now part of Russia. There is the UNO, if anyone has a claim, do it there. We have such rules with a purpose, otherwise we could remove them and let everyone do what he likes or not like.

I also dislike the involvement of other nations. Ukraine is Ukraine and the people there have to decide which way they want to go. Not the EU, not Russia, not America (USA). Good that history repeats and we very slow begin to learn - in most cases too late. But better late then never.

Ukraine is not Ukraine, the president was so corrupt that he got kicked back to mother russia (which proved people's claims he was a corrupt Russia puppet, not a president, just a puppet).

In Rusian related countries, as most people don't really know, the more or less pro-communist president has puppets in a bunch of posts he saw he needs to always have on his side, that's how unconditional arrests happen, state-TV channels saying "good stuff", and such.
Russia went in the troops before the government could be cleaned by the new system, so they made a supposed "deal" with the Crimean government (it's puppets) to put in those troops under a contract which was never approved by Kiev, or even pass by there. It was just made to confuse people so they get the time to do their stuff.

At the voting, there was no option to "remain" with Ukraine as they were, there were 2 options, go to Russia or restore the 1991(or so) constitution which, even though they remain in Ukraine, it allowed full Russian military force to use and pass by Crimea and other influences being "ok". So there was no "win" for ukranians in that referendum, that's of the main reasons why it's invalid and the people didn't go to vote, just the russian ones). There's not a single video where you can see an Ukrainian flag inside the russian-occupied military bases where the votings were happening, sure, people can sneak in, but I didn't see any such flag myself, even though there were russian flags and anthem singing in the area all over. There did were voting boycotters all around the bases though.

Nobody really believed that voting would be people's voices, did you ? There were recorded how people even inserted 2-3 vote papers at once, nobody noticed anything, so don't tell me that they did any real control rather than the troops recorded at the gates. Probably like in it's neighbour country Romania, even people who were in the civilian list that died years ago have their vote for proRussia.

and yes
denne: Putin already said about making influence in the Eastern side of Ukraine, to "protect the russian natives" or so, as if it's the democrats who execute people, not the communist with their execution camps and torture prisons which happened just 30-40 years ago.

The problem for them is that they still don't have control over Crimea while the UN doesn't allow it (not even China voted pro the Crimea move, their allies, they stood neutral though, undefined). The sanctions towards Russia for their break on international laws, for some countries it's being decided the incoming month, while some of them already decided on cutting tradeship relations with Russia indefinitely, including the oil.

The international law breach he mentioned was about forcing a country's troops into the other country without a permission from Kiev, which is true, there was no contract, if a puppet in Crimea's parlament makes one, doesn't make it legal.

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i criticized the involvement of the EUNATO. without it there was no separation of the Crimea, i'm sure.

lol, now EUNATO are the ones who voted for Crimea to go to Russia (which is still not happening even though they claim they annexed it), yeah w/e. Just keep blaming everything on everybody that's not Russian. Always the other guy's fault.

OP, you'r totally right and all others, because everyone have theirs own views on what is happening.
And as i say in the previos post, it's my personal view, everyone have theirs

Afterall our opinions don't matter, but the crimes are still happening.

What bothers me most in this conflict are the many obvious lies that were used.

"Crimea self defense forces"
This is for sure the most idiotic lie that Putin came up with.
That were Russian troops without badges. Period!
They had uniforms, russian military equipment, russian weapons and russian military vehicles with russian license plates... oh and tanks.
I doubt the Crimea population has tanks in their garages... or modern military equipment.
That this are self defense forces was one of the biggest lies used by russia ever.

Fact is this were russian troops invading ukraine... and lets face it at this point of time Crimea was still part of the Ukraine (the vote plays absolutely no role here).
Military forces which invade another countries territory ... that is called an "act of war".
With that russia clearly broke international law.
Last time such a blatant lie was used on 1st September 1939 when Germany invaded Poland.
(isnt it great to have these times back?)

Next big lie was used by russia when they wanted to justify their action with the discrimination of the russian population in Crimea and the massive violence against russians there.
It was said that thousands of people are already crossing the borders fleeing to russia.
Yet, there was no single proof that this ever did happen.
Not a single ukrainian soldier that protected the border to russia had ever seen people leaving crimea.
Not a single journalist in that region ever noticed something like that.
Not a single video or picture were made showing this stream of refugees.
Not a single person ever got the chance to talk with these refugees.
Russia has issued Russian passports to 143,000 Ukrainians, making it much easier for Russia to point to sizeable numbers of “Russian citizens” who might come under threat. But no russians were attacked yet.
All tries to send more observers into that region were instantly blocked by russia.
"we tell you what is true but you may not see it with your own eyes"

Next major lie was russias arguement of acting in "self-defense".
Self-defense applies when being directly attacked and is covered by the UN charta.
The conditions for self-defense were clearly not given.
You dont "defend" your own country on foreign ground.

The vote in Crimea in my eyes was also a big lie.
93% voted for russia.
Thats an incredible result considering that 40% of the population had absolutely no links to russia and no logical motivation to make such a vote.
But i guess that is what happens when 30.000 russian soldiers with guns tell what has to be voted. Or when the only choices are "yes" and "yes!".

Uhm...

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It was said that thousands of people are already crossing the borders fleeing to russia.

The news I saw related to that were actually about Crimeans forcefully blocking the entrace at the frontier because there were Russian civilians who were trying (by some order) to enter Crimea few days before the voting happened.

Right now, Russia told the ukrainian military they can change to Russian one and stay in Crimean, but they are all leaving:
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That, and also it'd be dangerous for them to be inside russian occupied territory if a conflict actually starts up at the frontier between Crimea and Ukraine due to Putin's words of "protecting the russian natives in East Ukraine".

Meanwhile there's some news like "unidentified" gunmen sorrounding the military bases to block the soldiers from leaving.

And the voting poll, as mentioned in the last post, there was no option to stay in Ukraine as they were, option 1 was to go to Russia, option 2 was to stay in Ukraine AND restore the pre-separation constitution from some year which gave allowance for Russian troops and trade to happen freely. Obviously no ukranian would go to vote there, instead, boycot it from outside.
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The referendum asked the people of Crimea whether they wanted to join Russia as a federal subject, or if they wanted to restore the 1992 Crimean constitution and Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine.

No option for russians to go back to their home and not change anything at Crimea.
That's why the referendum is invalid, not counting the forceful results or how the voting polls were located at occupid military base. Like, who goes into a hostile military base to vote against them ? Surely not with an ukrainian flag on you or in hands, that's why there was absolutely no ukrainian flag in any video showing the votings.

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the choices were: reunion with Russia or becoming more sovereign. it is not the same.

It IS the same thing, be inside Russia or be WITH Russia through the old 1992 constitution "under Ukraine" by making a good use of the local government puppets, think a bit more than the propaganda you read.

What OP ment, though, is Yes and Yes! that people were not allowed to vote No to go with Russia.

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the funny thing is, there was a kind of pressure before and while the referendum: some Tatari-chieftains didn't want their people to participate in the referendum.

That is why the ukrainians were boycotting (it's called boycot - manifestation, legally democratic even though the troops did not let them in the military bases where the votings happened), it wasn't some Tatari/nazi/illuminati act of war to russia. The referendum is a "democratic" facade to confuse the legal forces to delay them from acting, everybody who lives near there knows that. You don't.

History is taking over now. I know its hard to claim (especially by the UN or EU or USA) to abide the international law, if in history these communities did break them too. But hey, just because someone got shot makes it not legal to kill the murder too. At least not for my understanding of human rights. That also applies to international law. You simply cannot defend the actions of Russia by stating the others also made mistakes. Thats not how it works. As stated already - there is the UNO (where Russia is also part of (at least in the security council)). If there have been violations of international law then the international community or court (in Den Haag) should have been used. I really don't see the need to break the rules again and again.

Well the referendum on Crimea was initially planned to be in May (as far as i know), then moved forward to April and finally moved forward to some weeks ago. The decision the people had was, voting to be part of Russia, or getting more independent from Ukraine which in the end also means they are getting part of Russia (just on some detours and not directly). And in the end you can call that voting "yes" or "yes". The result is the same.If Yanukotiwsch has been democratically elected should be put on doubt, same as elections for Putin or elections in China are doubtful. It has been proven in the past that elections have not been democratically correct. It also plays no role if Ukraine was once part of Russia or not and what contracts have been assigned at a former time and under which circumstances they were signed. Ukraine got independent from Russia and is an own state with its own borders. And if Crimea was part of Ukraine then its part of Ukraine.

I also believe that the self defence groups on Crimea were Russian soldiers - that's just logical. Even if not they were fighting for Russian interests. And there is another violation of international law. Soldiers must carry a batch stating where they belong to and for which country to are fighting. Just in case it were Russians (and i strongly believe it) then they broke another law. You can put it upside down turn it inside out, the annexation of Crimea by Russia wasn't legit. And their action how they did all this wasn't too.

But i also have to admit that the current temporary Ukraine government wasn't elected correctly too and as far as i know it violated the Ukraine constitution too. And that's a thing i don't understand too. On one side we claim Russia did break international law and the western civilisations don't accept the annexation. On the other side they accept to bargain with a government that is not yet elected and the current one is not really trustworthy too. I hope the elections in May finally will show what the Ukrainians want - and especially for which government they decide (indirectly). But i somehow don't have the trust that the elections there are correct.

As always after a coup, the ones who leaded the efforst to take down the leadership stay as temporary government until democratically chosing a new leader. That's why the current "representant" as he's calling himself is not the president, and nobody is looking at him for breaking anything, but at the invaders.

I personally give a damn about who is currently thinking to belong to the ukrainian government.
Elections will come and elections will show who will lead this country out of the misery.

However, Yanukovitsh is not in the position to claim to be leader of the country anymore.
A person who did his best to limit democratical principles certainly has no right to claim the title of the prime minister after leaving the country in times of internal unrests.
You can state as often as you want that he was elected if you wish... but restricting and limiting the democracy of a country turns a democratically elected prime minster into a dictator.
Even Kim Jong Un was recently elected... with 100% votes for him... that does not change what he is and that he hardly has any democratic rights.

I am very worried... yes i am.
Some people seem to see enemies everywhere and prefer to strike first even if no crime has been done yet.
A few months ago i still could think that the world is growing together and the conflicts of the past are long forgotten. Today I worry about the people that look into their crystal balls to see enemies where none are.

One thing... please stop these comparisons with the past.
Really, they are not even reflecting the truth.
e.g. Saarland was allowed to do this referendum by agreement that was written into the Treaty of Versailles
(this has absolutely nothing to do with the current situation and was even before the UN existed)

Kossovo and Serbia also dont have anything to do with this topic
If you would take a closer look at this matter you would notice that this are totally different conditions.

North-Cyprus clearly belongs to the republic Cyrpus.
What Turkey thinks is not the same what the UN or the EU thinks. Next to that do I really doubt that Turkey will join EU anytime soon. Not in this decade... not in the next one.
EU is acting by very strict regulations and principles.

That EU/NATO does not care about Palestine is only half of the truth actually.
NATO does not need to care because it is not NATO business. Period!
I have the feeling that you still dont know what the NATO is... its a defense pact.
And EU generally cares about .... stuff that is about the EU.... maybe you want to take a look at a globe now and check where israel is.
In terms of foreign politics EU countries do their best to try to calm down the situation without taking sides in a conflict where both sides are the aggressors.

My only advice right here is to rethink this "all around us are enemies" mentality.
People which think in such ways sometimes tend to get what they expect because of the way they act. Thats called self fulfilling prophecy.

denne: Crimea topic is not over yet, as well as the rule of annexing Crimea is not yet approved, so it's not official.

And can you stop with your nonsense about "EUNATO" (that word itself is a fail) and Syria ? You are mocking the sufferings of over 10 million people with your childish hater behaviour.

There were no EUNATO planes bombing Syria cities, there were Asad military force planes bombing their own cities to get the rebels, and there is NO EXCUSE to that, you don't ruin cities because people go on streets against you.

Here is one of the MANY syrian videos recording Asad planes attacking areas nearby or even their exact place... like this one:

There are higher quality ones but it's less seen how they actually attack people, this one is pretty clear as you can see the plane model.

Seriously, don't even mention Syria unless you actually DOCUMENT YOURSELF, it's repugnant.

again an advice... dont try to twist my words to suit your argumenation
this is also something i dont like

and btw. we never get the government we like... not even in our own countries
thats a fundamental fact