Clarification of the TRF issue

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  • I just got back from a business meeting that i did attend the past few days to notice that suddenly some ppl use the CF moddb site as their personal playground to rant about the mod and SWAT.


    One of the people involved is TRF marauder.
    Comments go from "criticism is not being tolerated" over "I don't care about the likes of you, I don't care about SWAT" to "Should I need 1.8 I will just take it"
    Threats, insults and the usual crap that i am meanwhile used to from TRF.
    It appears that i can not depart for some days from this community without that TRF does use their chance to attack SWAT, Crossfire and me meanwhile. You probably can imagine that I have enough of that. And I simply dont need ppl which might think TRF is right. There have been many rumours and false claims about what happened. TRF even opened an announcement on their site called "TRF rocks Crossfire" (which just alone is false claim).
    I clarify a few thing now and will also jump into this forum to prevent troubles and read a bit of what has happened the past weeks.


    I am absolutly not interested in interpretations, philosophy or anything else that let this topic drift away from its original purpose. Only the facts matter.


    The TRF issue:
    TRF just as every other clan once agreed to follow 5 simple rules. The excuse "I did agree to it but not my members" is so pathetic that i still cant believe that it did even was used. These rules were discussed by the CF clans 2 years ago. We opened a thread where the CLANS could either agree or disagree with it. TRF did belong to the clans which did agree. And since the leaders of the clans speak in the name of the entire clan it is not neccessary that every single member does say "i agree". But the clan leader is responsible to keep this agreement.
    TRF did break 4 of the 5 agreed rules. OK - other clans also did break some rules, maybe one or two and when I found out about it the clan leaders did at least deal with this issue. But not TRF. For TRF these rules obviously dont apply, eventhough they agreed to it.
    I once said it, but i think the TRF members believe they stand high above the rules and all players. Afterall they are "much more reasonable than others" (their words which belittle the other players of this server.


    If i agree to something, if i give my word then i would stick to that agreement, would follow the rules and would take care that my members do the same. That is a job of a leader. The TRF leadership is not able or willing to do that. Even worse. The comment that comment that the agreement was made knowing that the members wouldnt follow it is a clear breach of trust in my eyes. If i would give my word knowing that I have to break it one week later, that would be a blatant lie.


    But ok - as long i didnt say anything everything was ok.
    Seriously i did watch alot of crap that was going on the past 2 years. I thought this community could handle it.
    But lets fact it, every few months new RP discussions appeared which did last for weeks without results. There was enough of trouble between clans on the server. The SPs often did contrary to other SPs decision. Speculations, laying out rules and so on.
    In the end my PM inbox was full of complaints and the SPs came up with the comment "the players dont respect the SPs".
    OK. That reason for that are in my eyes wrong punishments and the above described mistakes that the SPs did.
    Afterall i had more work with the SPs than they could take from my shoulder. And that is contrary to the purpose of the SPs.
    However - back to TRF.
    Huor was long term member of the SPs. Not a SP which did argue alot like others but a SP which discussed alot. The problem with that is that most discussion did lead nowhere but ok... i will not blame him for that. There might be thousands of possible circumstances which caused that.
    Lucy then took over the position of the TRF SP with the result that in her first week she disturbed the business of another clan, judging about that clan and treating that clan different than others. That is something a SP should never do. I observed it a bit. It happened more than just once and I voiced my concerns about lucy, as she was not able to control herself. Lucy btw. was even the only SP member which ever got banned from CF for breaking serverrules.
    There were long discussions on the SP boards about my decision to remove the SPs from the server until a better solution could be found. These discussions lead to the point that lucy demanded that I hand over the server.
    Yeah - i was supposed to do the work, pay the bills, carry the financial risk and take care for everything while i have to hand over all rights and have no say here anymore.
    That seriously did happen, that demand is no joke.


    The SPs finally got removed and Lucy did start her hate thread towards me on this forum, which btw. is again against rules. I of course replied to that thread showing that those claims were not true. Lucy left, not having any arguements proving me wrong.


    I gave SWAT a chance, 1 month to prove itself.
    Well ok, nothing wrong with that.
    One month that hundred ppl can use to do the work that one man alone (me) could do during that time. If you ask me, a fair chance. I dont know how much this chance was used so far, ill find out soon enough. But i know that Huor opened a thread a the TRF forum containing a translation of the given change and some very demoralizing comments such as "we were not able to do that in one year so how should we do it in just one month". But ok, this thread very soon turned into a lets hate SWAT thread.


    We got blamed for not for releasing the mod in time (carelessly of the attacks against SWAT and other community, the demands for new and more features by the community, the clan troubles which required alot of attention). Needless to say that those blames came from ppl which have done absolutly nothing to support SWAT (I am aware of what huor and lucy did, dont worry, unlike others I dont forget something like that).
    We were blamed for not taking enough benefit from the TLR death (while it absolutly gets ignored that next to me only CA was working on SWAT and that we only have 24h a day while nobody else did try to help with this issue).
    We were blamed for this forum and the portal, this place was called a "tumor". (nice isnt it)
    The moderation was critisised... but it was not mentioned that nobody of them did contribute anything going into this direction.
    To sum up there where tons of blames, tons of false claims, tons of insults and tons of broken rules.
    There was even one TRF member which posted good comments at SWAT and at the same time negative ones (exactly the opposite) at the TRF forum. -> we definitly dont need such liars here


    This was reason for me to contact Huor and ask him if he wants his clan to stay at SWAT.
    Reason for this question was the obvious "hate" towards the portal and everything that has something to do with it and also the refusal to contribute anything.
    The members of this portal got a chance. Refusing to use this chance is like doing direct damage to it.
    Huor wanted his clan to stay.
    So i continued the discussion which had the following content.


    TRF members are free to do whatever they want even if they break rules.
    The TRF leadership does not feel responsible for broken rules or agreements.
    The TRF leadership therefore will not punish members, as they are like already mentioned free to do whatever they want.
    "All other clans have a problem with the TRF roleplay" which is a statement that I seriously doubt as LP has the same kind of RP and does not seem to have any problems with other clans. (I absolutly can not understand this statement in the same way I can not understand why Huor did claim that cops HAVE TO pay tax to pirates -> just one of the many matters which dont appear logical)
    It is also not very logical to blame and insult the person which is doing almost all of the work inside this community, which is paying the bills which has all the risks and which giving all his free time to offer a home and future for the players and the clans like TRF. It is not that TRF did not benefit from it the past years by having a server to play on and by being able to find new members.
    But it is so easy to blame and insult others, so easy to break rules... for sure easier than to do a bit of own contribution.


    Based on Huors wish I decided that TRF can remain on CF but the ones breaking the rules will have to go. Since Huor is not willing to enforce rules and agreements in his own clan, I did this job by banning the involved TRF clan members from the server and the forum. This community does not need such players which poison the server with false claims, blames, insults and broken rules.
    I very often give 2nd chances, but huor and his clan members very well made clear that they will not change. Just alone the threads on the TRF forum, the re-registrations on the SWAT forum with the resulting hate posts, the comments about fake chars on CF and the TRF activities at moddb with the only purpose to harm SWAT and CF show good enough which way this clan has choosen.


    This community needs members that are really part of it, not just people which want to take benefit of it.
    The server needs clans which want keep CF running, clans which do their part for it, clans which can trust each other, clans which follow rules and dont break agreements.
    This place has to return to the trust and respect we once had for each other.
    But that is up to the members.



    Like I said, as everytime when i disappear more trouble comes up I will stay better stay close to it.

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  • No explanation was needed, well not for me anyway.

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  • Now that those trouble causing members are gone (Hopefully) maybe us remaining members that actually wish to help keep CF going can finally start getting things done the way its supposed to be.


    This is what I propose, and I know this probably isnt the topic to post this in, so if not just move it for me please. ^^ (Besides, lifes too short to stay on topic, XP)


    Anywho, I propose at least for a start, that BG gets its military status back if you know what I mean, (We can keep our police RP and everything of course) but I would really love to get our military based RP back as well, and I know of at least one or more other members that wish the same thing. If BG can get back to the way it was a few years ago when me and Falcon (If anyone still remembers him) was recruited, im sure that BG will make a comeback. As will many other clans that have started to fall apart because of all these ordeals.


    Another thing I propose is that everyone that still has the ability to do so, get ingame and start really trying to have fun, and bring the activity level up again so those that are still active can also have more of a reason to get on, and have fun. When/If I can earn enough credits, I will also help Spiky and Michael with events and whatnot, provided I can ever actually get on with a decent ping.

  • When i read both letters at TRF and now this 1, i see almost similar letter with variation in subjectivity.


    Leader is responsible for his members, i agree, but where is the invisible line..idk?


    When it comes about RP TRF push the RP to the limits in positive way (since February 2009 when i start at CF, i can not say anything about b4 that) although sometimes we disagree in a few...


    Someone will have to pull the first move, and turn this situation to the benefit of us all.



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    comment at this letter from Moddb: shame :(

  • i dont want to talk about roleplay because that is something that has to be done and not talked about
    Lucy for sure did her part to push roleplay, yes but it also did lead to many problems because she went way too far with what she did. Clans make their own rules for their systems and those rules are to be accepted, not broken, not discussed, not attacked. A line that TRF did cross often enough.


    but ok - that is history
    and now we face hate spams on moddb
    do you really think that it was different the months before? It wasnt. The crap talk was not just limited to me, that you can be sure of. The difference is, now its done in public.
    The TRFs said that they didnt want to be part of a community. Really thats what they said. In that case I did something really good by throwing them outta here.


    This community can live with it.
    You want this place to survive and CF to be released... then for gods sake start to help and dont act in such a shameful way that TRF has choosen.


    They call it "free mind" and posting "critics". I call what they did backstabbing and ranting.
    If they would have wanted to post critics they could have written them directly to me and not behind my back on a different forum.
    Furthermore it needs to be said that it is not possible to please everyone, so sometimes a "no" simply has to be accepted.

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  • If we all want our old CF life , then we should do these:


    1. Bringing Back the ASF/CSF Roleplay & Bringing back a lot of old peeps back to CF
    2. Making a lot of events and bringing back some old events, like "Collecter Event & Assault Event"
    3. Giving some $ to the new players
    4. Maybe a Friendly Server Fight, between clans(just like ASF/CSF) and then you shall see how much $ will be spended, so we can trade and keep playing a lot^^
    5. If something gets wrong, there are PMs for that, .. not in public


    I'm willing to help with all of this , if all of you are agree as well

  • all this can get done and all this is good

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  • Thank you for sharing this but I think this will lead to more troubles. They for sure will start to blame you and the people of Crossfire for even more. It does not matter for them if this is true or not and it does not matter for them how much they did wrong. The behaviour shown by them give me reason to think that this is just the begining. The question is how much worth are their claims after what they have done. From what I can read they do not appear to be very trust worthy or honest. They have turned their back towards this community or were never part of it. Their only motivation right now is to harm SWAT and especially you OP-R8R. The kind of method they have to use to accomplish that does not seem to play a big role. The attack on your ModDB site is a good example for that. They will not let the topic drop.


    But SWAT should move forward now and use the time we still have to repair the damages and do some progress.

  • wie ist das nun wieder zu verstehen?

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    This community can live with it. You want this place to survive and CF to be released... then for gods sake start to help and dont act in such a shameful way that TRF has choosen.


    Of course, the community can live without TRF.This is not the question, this happens.


    You know what i do not like here, all this looks like personal argue, more or less.Same thing was with SFP and PX (between GUnny and Daywalker, or between Daywalker and Gunny, as u wish.Later this escalate)Now, mostly between you and Huor.But ok, that is gone now/


    I simple do not like to generalize things, cos problems always comes back like boomerang, but i agree that you must find solution.
    Also i know that surgery sometimes cut leg to save the life.Also that i know they sometimes cut wrong leg, but shit happens and show must go on...
    We'll see soon whether the patient survived or not.


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    then for gods sake start to help and dont act in such a shameful way that TRF has choosen.


    Whether it was addressed to me personally, or in the plural?


    ps
    "CF supporters" who read this, come at server and save him.Stop with writing and talking in the wind ^^
    We know who is online these days^^

  • You know... Reading all this is giving me a serious Déjà vu...

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  • omg @ that post on moddb.... if he wouldn't care about anything he wouldn't take the long time to write that... lol


    Anyway, now we have to concentrate (if we all aren't doing it yet...) on remaking the server from... the bad happenings that are over. ;) It's a hard path, but the prize will be bigger... but the server anyway NEEDS somehing like admins online to keep the peace, listen the bugs, and problems in-game in private. It's efficiency is prooved on other places... people can go on if something happens, but not too many times. And with the new version, there are quite more chances for possible little bugs arround... screen failing, infocards, whatever :)

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  • Somehow I get the feeling that nobody ever played together with TRF. I did and had great Fun.


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  • may they ever find out what responsibility means

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  • TRF and SFP had much fun invading each others space.....not to mention sharing all the profits from Sirius Bucks Coffee.


    With that being said, some of the ugly comments being made aren't necessary. We either choose to move forward or we choose to let CF sink. Fairly easy for me to decide.

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  • I had a lot of fun with TRF. Hope to see you in game again. :)

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