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So all in all I take it as a no, the Community does not need new rules. That was all I wanted to hear. Having drawn this conclusion, I can rest easy that I did my best.
QuoteDisplay MoreOriginally posted by SWAT_OP-R8R
they know the shit but they are not willing to admit or change it
but year... maybe closing the server is going to be the best
EDIT: and its no common sence
its pure stupidity to react in a way that appears like i would intend to harm you and your clans.
OP there are PMs, a leader board and a SP Board. All forums where we could have discussed failures. But no we were pointed out to have produced "shit" only. I was always open for discussions, I have put a lot of time in solving problems between other clans or players. If I would have made a failure i would gladly pointed to this mistake. I guess not all was shit - ok i know or better guess some shit i am guilty of - nevertheless i dont know for sure.
Do i feel annoyed - yes i do. I invested 3 year just to get told that all we have done was more or less shit. Thats not really trustworthy. And i know its not only me who have tried to serve the community or the players on the server. Put all in one barrel and accuse all of having produced shit is neither correct nor fair to those who have tried to help. Thatswhy it would have been better to do direct measures on those who could control or correct the failures. You used the publicity for blaming several players (incl the SPs mainly) - sure that I feel to have any dept, without knowing the reasons at all.
You are the admin - you have the final word. Nevertheless i could have imagined a more appropriate way to solve some things. Unfortunate it went a different way and i am impressing my thoughts here. I am just saying you could close the server, because i dont know what mistakes i have done and which of those mistakes are related to my clan. I will not change any behaviour nor do i make any agreements of bullshit conducts that are not necessary.
Finally after all those years i thought there could be kinda cooperation on all sides, between the leaders the SPs and finally (what i am not concerned about if its not taking place) the community.
Now i am helpless, cannot explain anything to my mates. Like i told, TRF will not do anything RP related at all. I currently could not guarantee that I somehow produce shit by some of my actions.
Huor i have read through all of this and i still don't know where OP has said you or TRF has done anything, why are people that don't need to be instantly on the defensive unless you are named what is there to worry about, yes OP has said that the problems seem to be from the new clans but i believe OP was being as fair as he could be without naming clans/names, i also believe OP does not wish to name and shame because of the witch hunting that still happens on this server, think people need to calm down and take a breather so minds can be clear and discussions can be had without peoples minds being clouded by anger.
Well i did 3 years care about other clans. I talked with a lot of players, leaders and freelancer to calm down, to stop bickering, to find civilised ways of solving problems. I am not blocking.
That was my job as SP. 3 years where i didnt asked anything for return and even didnt received anything. Now all i guess is that this was one of the problems. I draw my hat and resigned as SP. Yeah now problems are still present - weird.
If you would admit - we both didnt had a talk about TRF not about RP nor about the behaviour, if there went something wrong than it would have been your job to contact me in first instance. And finally i didnt even asked that you should care about my clan. I did not receive anything in 3 years so i guess its not necessary now.
Maybe someone else can convince me of my or TRFs faults - i mean convince. Maybe someone can convince me of the advantages of bullshit agreements or so called code of conducts. I guess as we cannot solve the things here by discussion - because actually you OP block (how do you suppose to solve problems when you offically state i dont answer PMs.) - i go back to the game where nothing changes and all we have and do is shit. BTW shit - surely read all those posts and it seems "shit" is the word that you used quite often - as you wont tell me what shit you are talking of i ask someone else to tell it me. If we are so much a problem for CF and your server then we probably shall all become BG and play nicely 
slayer: Sure OP didnt named TRF or me. But i was 3 years SP, responsible for the server. SPs have been discredit - not me but all. All includes me - thats simple math. Same math is if you name some of the good clans and dont mention the others, the others are logically the bad ones. As TRF wasnt mentioned for being good (NO I DONT WANT TO RECEIVE ANY PRAISE) we are bad - simple math. Isnt it... In no way OP mentioned what went wrong - no single detail nor here or in the leaders board. But only - we are producing shit - over several years meanwhile. Slayer you can be proud of being BG - because you are out of any accusations. And with such an attitude why shall i consider to help other clans? Why in god name - i was doing it 3 years and my math tells me - it was wrong. OP must not state public - he could use PMs or he even has me on MSN as well as other leaders. All approaches of me to discuss are cancelled by him... So i am lost... I am sorry but rarely felt so disappointed 
I so wish i was out of any accusations but this is simply not true, i admit my faults and have dealt with them, i was 2 years ago suffering from depression and extreme stress due to RL problems and i let these problems control my life, this is something I'm not proud of and because i let my anger over spill onto the server i decided to remove myself from the situation and take some time out, i can now play this game and have fun regardless of the current situation and lets also not forget i am now a member of SFP which can be classed as a new clan which falls under OP's comment about new clans, but you don't see members of SFP jumping up and down or Gunny ... Pipe or Micheal coming on here and attacking OP, i personally can't see that you have caused anything Huor yourself but neither can i convince you that TRF has caused any problems as far as i can see, but all players are responsible for what is going on no matter if they have gone out of there way to attack, witch hunt, talk shit, ignorance is bliss yes but to ignore or sweep things under the carpet can be just as damaging.
I just don't get why everybody should be guilty of messing up this place but not OP. Who was in charge the last x-years?
We? Or him?
If a ship runs aground, do you blame the cook? The radio-guy? The machinist?
Or, maybe, the captain has a responsibility too, just maybe some wee little tiny bit??? Yes? No?
OT:
so are you going to play again now Op?
yup
Ok i still don't get it, how can OP be the cause considering that he doesn't play Freelancer, isn't on the server and no longer is a leader of a clan, so is not involved in RP and server problems except if SP or clan leaders report these problems to OP, so using your terminology Lucy the SP's are the captain and OP is more like the director of the company that owns the ship.
so using my above comment you can again answere your own question!
Edit. That was stupid. Sorry, Slayer.
I have told OP in detail what i think could be done. Ask him.
Oh, almost forgot to say: I was wrong with what i said. Surprised? Nah. Gods don't take advice lightly, but here's yet another message to the masses in general and OP in particular:
OP. Is. Not. God. Face it.
who said OP was god? and for what reason would i possibly have to kiss any ones ass including OP's, if you knew me one thing i definitely never do is kiss ass.
Yes, you're right, i edited that out and i'm sorry.
Well, OP said it, more than once, and this attitude of "i'm godlike" is perceived not only by me.
so what is the objective here then, drive OP away? then what? we will all live happily ever after? this i very much doubt, OP is not the problem and going by the MY Resignation post that OP has posted on SP boards i guess you guys have succeeded in doing just that, well done all, good job done may you all suffer in your own shit you have created. enjoy!!
I'm writing this, or i try to write this, not as a member of a server clan but as someonew who cared a lot for this server in the past. It's all in no particular order.
Well, notice the tense. Cared. Not "Care", as in "I care about this server." Because, as much as it hurts to say it, i don't care anymore.
1. The Community
This, let's face it, isn't really a community (Community as defined by Merriam Webster )
we're here to play the same game. That's all. We don't have the same goals in this game, we don't have the same idea how it should be played, we don't even have the same background which could lead us in our actions.
2. The Rules
Many think all the faults with the rules lie with us players. Again, I happen to disagree. OP states time and again that the rules were approved by us. Well, they weren't approved by me. I'd have some serious modifications to them. But nevermind, that's no real biggy, i still try und usually manage to follow them (and would enforce them, if i were an SP) but stop telling me that i agreed with them.
Because i didn't.
3. The responsibility
Ok, i guess a lot of blame lies within us players. But do not let us forget that OP is running the show, all his sayings that he left the server to us to the contrary. He still has the last saying, is still pulling all the strings. And if the show is running bad and going off track, you can't just blame the cast. There's also a director to blame. He either didn't manage it good enough or he put the wrong people in change or he had set up the wrong structure.
4. The accusations towards clans
OP repeatedly said that BG, DC and some other clans are cool, others are just newbies that fuck everything up. Well, he didn't say it exactly like this. But that's how it came across, to me at least.
Me, as a member of TRF, I can't remember TRF having fucked up in any particulary way in the recent months. Quite to the contrary. We had some very successful RP going with SFP, we got along with every clan more or less ok, even when the RP was pretty tough at times. Not even the fact that a member of DC fragged a store in our clansystem caused a lot of fussing.
Yet we're accused as being one of the troublemakers. Why? Facts for this? Please?
And don't give me that fucking crap about me having my shields up and taking everything as an offensive post. That's what happens if you fling anfounded accusations around.
5. The Server Police
All SPs are being thrown into the same pot and done away basically as treacherous and selfish people. My opinion differs. First, most SPs haven't done their job in the last months. Huor has, Myric was online once in a while (maybe more than i think but that's a question of timezones), others i have never seen. Yet others, like me, haven't even had the time to mess things up. Still, we're all denunciated as treacherous, selfish people who cannot stand above clan issues. Facts have never been produced. Just wild flinging of dirt without backup by facts.
Whether the Server Police was the right way to manage the server i don't know, but i do know that all, or most of them (me excluded coz i didn't do too much as an SP) have done their best to do a good job. If they did it at all, that is.
6. The Money
Ok, this server costs 3000 euros a year. Me, i pay 50 Euros because Huor doesn't want my share of the system rent. I don't remember how much a system costs annually, but if i'm not completely right it's at least 240 a year. Currently we have at least 8 server clans, each paying 240/y. That's 1920 Euros. Plus my 50, is 1970. So you pay maybe 1100 Euros. Ok, that's still way more than i could afford, but it's definitely not 3000. So stop telling us you invest 3000 euros a year, because you don't.
7. The cause of the current "server situation"
We probably all remember the "PX declaration to the community"-thread. Me, i seldom use the word "honor" without a mocking undertone. But for once i do: That was an totally honorful post. A whole clan stood up and apologized for one of its members. Hats off to PX.
Then the thread devolved. That wasn't nice. But in the end, it brought out some things that had been boiling beneath the surface for a long time and in the end there was actually progress to be seen. Things looked as if SFP and PX were getting a grip on themselves. Hell, even Spiky dropped his mask for a change and said out loud what pissed him off about PX. Saying what you think is going wrong is usually the first step to make things go better.
That's when OP stepped in and closed the thread. Was that a sign of good leadership? No. It was a show of not having the slightest clue about how to deal with problems in a constructive way.
8. Handing over Power
Time and again, OP states that he handed over the power to us/SP/Clanleaders. Fuck that. Utter bullshit. He just delegated the responsibility, but not the power. That can't never work, you can't take responsibility for something if you haven't the power to change it. And on CF and SWAT, there is a clear and distinct epicentre of power, and that is OP.
Heck, he didn't even give away the power to change the fucking stupid console messages. Since two years i have to read the bloody sentence "i'm not a vegetarian because i like animals, it's because i hate plants." Ha. Ha. Ha.
ASF/CSF: That was something a lot of people have enjoyed and looked forward too. Yet since three months it doesn't happen. Why? Because something's fucked up with the counting thingy or sumthin like that. Who could get it straight? Op. Who doesn't get it straight? Huh? Wanna guess?
9. Leader and
Do you notice what kinda people are able to post in the leader board? There's people active in there i haven't ever seen online since i joined CF. They decide on the players that are active, who run events, who do something. Except that they probably don't get to decide anything.
10. EMs
Time and again i asked whether i could have console rights to organize an event. OP repeatedly stated "that should be no problem". It never happened. Thanks for the support. That was sarcastic. Duh!
Yeah, well, i guess that was about all i had to say.
G recently said when he wanted me to stay with the Server Police "it's either swim or drown. I prefer to swim."
Well, he was totally wrong. It's either swim, or drown here on SWAT or find a better pond to go for a swim.
Don't you see talking on forums maks more problems and brings out more $#¡t ?
We passed from a clan's problem, to 2 clan's problem, to 3, then to server's problem, then to OP's problems... why are you judgeing anyone you can except yourself,some of you only. Aybody made a mistake once, or sometimes, so yourself (the one(s) accusing) have mistakes, and made wrong things to others.
We should do like 2000 yrs ago, before latin. By the son of God: Let to be the first to throw a stone/an insult/a $#¡t to another, the ONE THAT DID NOTHING WRONG IN HIS LIFE.
Then this conflict ends... let the ones that are worse to throw in vane rocks, don't reply to that/them and if it's a need a temporal ban...
And if somebody thinks he did nothing wrong in his life, then thing if it's REALLY Necessary to throw what you wanted to who you wanted.
