23rd october (sunday)
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23rd october (sunday)
channel:
SWAT-Portal
Server: quakenet
is the irc that
you're at BG page??? and what time (including timezone)
please=?
Sincerely
RG
same server different channel
8pm GMT
ok ill be there what are we discussing this time
next time
sticky it as important pls and if u want other clan commanders pm them or delegate it to one
of us
also people need to know how to use irc most peeps dont use it
then they should learn
it - wont take their hands and take every single 1 to the chat
and for sure i wont
wait half an hour before i can start
if i say 8pm then i mean 8 pm
your first post gave no details whatsoever about it
being on irc or even how to find it not even a time
You want people to attend then tell
them where/how/ect
if you dont want to do that delegate it
then if they dont make the
effort, fine get annoyed
I only knew of meeting cos u mentioned it on sys chat other
night
gotta aggree with wavey next time the thread needs to be a little
more important. i know i said i was going to be there but an unexpected situation happened
and i wasnt going to make it on time. but i showed up after i got home and turned out that
it was cancelled. well to tell you the truth something of this importance should have benn
done in either case. i mean for crying out loud its the server and everything that we were
going to talk about i think it is a little important to discuss also if there was a post on
the server its self about it then maybe we could have had a better out come. dont know
maube we can try again some other time when we can get maz participation but that is just me
talking. however i think that if it was made sticky or something we might have had more ppl
show up just like what wavey said if im wrong tell me if im right tell me anyways dont care
on other opionions just that the server needs to be talked about
7or 8 peeps did attend but obviously we wernt worth talking to or even
saying goodbye to:(
In fact it is just like an event ,if you dont publicise it u get
noone.
Stop blaming us if you cant sort summat out
You can delegate stuff its easy ,1
pm or email to me and id have contacted loads peeps
I am quite offended and i can imagine
same goes for rest who came to irc
You just log off cos ur fed up ....not a goodbye or
nothing
We work to get events running every day and they have been a success(in getting
peeps online)some need tweaking tho
the more you treat us with arrogance the less we will
wish to be here:(
ive posted the meeting on the forum 2 times... i posted it several times on the server and
ive announced it on the last BG meeting
some ppl from other clans i have on msn also got
a message
and no i wont make such a thread sticky (important) coz it has nothing to
do with long term announcements i usually stick to this forum
and for sure im not
responsible for others to check out if they can enter the chat before the meeting starts...
thats only their responsibility and ppl should try to use those programs before the meeting
starts or ask how to use them (this didnt happen)
i announced the meeting in time and ppl
could have done this at any time... ive said where it is and ive said when it is.... more i
cant do
i didnt say anything about the topics before coz i didnt want ppl to start
shit discussion based on rumours without the information i wanted to give
besides others
i think very carefully about what im saying towards others
Quote7or 8 peeps did
attend but obviously we wernt worth talking to or even saying goodbye to
yes
and 6 of them were BGs, one was Freelancer... and that is really not worth to discuss
SERVERTOPICS which have something to do with ALL clans and players
and i announced that i
will go if not more ppl will show up... i even waited half an hour longer than i originally
said
if you have a problem if i dont want to waste my time waiting for NOTHING then sry
but i cant change it... i have better things to do... things like the b-day of my gf... but
that are things you dont need to care about... not ur problem
you can call me arrogant
now if you want ... ur choice
you can go at anytime if you want
really im
absolutly pissed
i call for an important meeting... prepare it 3hours... and then ppl
dont appear... and now ppl tell me that im responsible for this shit... really i ask myself
why i spend all the time to work for a bunch ignorant idiots
guys remember i asked
for help several times...
i asked for a complete event plan - where is it?
i asked for
ppl helping me to create the database - not a single guy came to me
i asked for some1 to
help me recoding fl-stats - no response
i asked for many other things... but
nothing
guess what... in future you can do your shit alone... i will do nothing
for this server anymore
no improvements... no meetings... nothing
There is an Event plan it
is in this forum and called Events ,I did ask for it to be stickied
QuoteThere is an Event plan it is in this forum and called
Events ,I did ask for it to be stickied
yes wavey you are right ive seen
it
Quotei asked for a complete event plan - where is it?
like
wavey said its posted under events
Quoteasked for ppl helping me to create the
database - not a single guy came to me
ive seen may ppl asking how they can
help with that and hell for 1 of them is one of my clan members
Quotei asked for
some1 to help me recoding fl-stats - no response
i havent seen this one
before when did you ask the help for that one
It is not that you can ask
and we jump and do all kind of stuff.
Some things you asked are very specialistic. Not
everyone posesses that knowledge. And even if they posess the knowledge, it is still their
free time, and their choice if they want to do something that looks a lot like their normal
day to day work. I get a lot of support questions from people surrounding me, but once I
cleared that I will not do work for free (that is, spending an entire sunday to clear up
someones computer, reinstall the software, replace the backup, and with nothing more than a
quick "thank you") all those questions vanished.
The last few weeks the general
ambiance has changed from bad to worse. Unless everyone, and I mean everyone, want to put
their best in it, and try to approach the situation without prejudice and with an open mind,
then this community is doomed.
People do not stick with one game for a long time
anymore. The golden days that you played a game for 2 or 3 years in a row are over. With
games becoming more and more sophisticated, pushing the edge even further, the majority of
the players are pursuaded to try on a new game every 3 months. The fact that there isn't a
Freelancer 2 doesn't mean that players who play Freelancer will stick to it unless there is
a new Freelancer 2. The interest of the majority of the players is bigger than that. Mine
for instance stretches from Freelancer to GTA-SA to Quake 4 and back to the oldie Stronghold
Being angry because there were only a few players who showed up, isn't
helping the cause. Everyone can decide for themselves if they want to invest into the
community or not. And getting angry because they didn't choose to attent the meeting, which
imho was announced not overwhelming (i didn't know it was on until i announced my
computercrashes) isn't helping. Imho you should have used a consoleannouncement for it. Yes
I know you can only use a few of them, but if you think that it is that important, then wipe
one for the time being. With the console message showing up every couple of minutes (10
minutes or so?), you reach a lot more people.
guess what.... forget it...
@all - dont ever try to contact me again
bye
X_x
anyway, next time lemme do the marketing
maybe i even show up 0.o
Hello
everyone,
It is not easy to keep a community toguether. Ive been in several forums,
where some of them were Fl mod forums, and they dont last long. It is not because the game
got more sophisticated or better than old one, it is just because people are looking for
something new and they dont find it. Yes, people change from game to game because, lets face
it, while the graphics are improved, their playability and contest are not something new. So
they move on until they found something could be new, tested for some months, and put it in
the big box (believe me, I own 138 different original games) plus so many others i
downloaded before, to check on them if they are worth buying it (I have a total of 361
games) Guess what, I havent bought any new games for a long time cause graphics are
astonishing but playability same or even worst than the old ones. So the main point is what
make people to play for a longer time any game, the answer is simple: The Community. Today
we have the advantage of multiplayer games through the internet (something that before was
limited by lan users) and in these online games you start to relate to other people, start
to be part of a community different from your surroundings. The game itself plus the mod, in
freelancer case, just do 50% of the job to hook you up and keep hooking you up to the game
for a while. The community, do the other 50% to keep it you hook up for the longest time.
Crossfire is the greatest mod in freelancer (no offending other modders who made
extraordinaies mods themselves) But in time, the mod itself and forum will die if the people
willing to give a little more do not supported it. Nitro is right, not to many people would
have the time or their willing to spend 1 day work on something extra. But there stilll
people willing to do that, so if you find at least 5 or 6 people to give their time to help
you, should try to work with them.
ABout OP requests, all of them we were asked for.
But also, almost all of them were answer to and i can recall few names written in that
thread that i wont mention them now.
About the events in one way or another, events
have been going on for 2 weeks now. Even more, some of us have to reinvent them because we
didnt have the same resources we had in the old times. Even more, some of us has sacrifice
our own playability in the game to make the event happen (without any experience at all)
Even more, some of us has put game credits out of our own game pocket
About the
script, at least one person offer his service not using the easy manbo jumbo for scripting
but using the real thing.
One thing I have seen is the lack of publicity, not easy
to pm everyone to tell them come to your event. Not easy task at all, but wherever was good
or bad I can say some of us took the time to do that getting at least 10 people on the first
encounter and up to 20 people on the last one. So publicity was good. One thing we need to
improve are the rules for each event and they should be an sticky on event rules. Event
manager should revise themand then they should be kept as long as possible without changing
them so player wont get confuse (it happen to me and it was a big mess)
About
meeting, irc is one of the oldest but most effective way to get in touch to a big group. An
sticky of how to use an irc is not a bad idea and it is something that should last forever
in the forum if irc would be the way to organize important meetings. To that sticky, i
would include the server and channel address if they are going to be same almost all
time.
About the last meeting, what could I say, I was the only freelancer there, but
we were 8 people (cause a member of SG was there too) willing to help the server and some of
them were holding events and so many questions t ask to improve them.
If we were
check the log, even if some events have not gone our way, they did help to increase the
number of players online in CF server. I had 20 people on saturday event including myself,
plus there were other 10 people freelancing CF. A total of 30 people, it has been a while
since i saw that here.
I can understand frustration when we dont get what we
expected. I have to run 2 different companies for a time of 12 years starting a 23 (cause
my parents dies and i have to take over family business) and I usually dont get what I
expected from my employs or different situations but I have learned to take the best from
the worst situation and move on trying to do a good job for my clients. But there is one
important thing, I have to have faith and believe that I will do the task at hand, no matter
the problem or incovinience, I have to believe that I will overcome to deliver and God has
been always my strength to overcome adversity and accomplish my goals. If we loose interest
on what we are doing, we lose it all cause every detail, every circunstances would take the
best of us and will be considering tha situation we got into a hopeless case.
So my
final advice:
@the 8 people at meeting: no matter what happen at the meeting, those
8 people who show there, dont lose their faith, lets try to work out a solution and still
helping this server the best way each one of you know of.
@OP: you create you this
mod. If for some circunstances, you feel annoying by thinking: people dont care. you have
several options, but i will stay the 2 more positive:
1.- Get back on your feet and dont
lose your faith and the interest to this community so we can evolve from our
mistakes.
2.- If your angry is greater than your faith in the community, delegate to
someone else to lay out meetings, etc to help the future of CF to develop. Of course, you
will brief this delegate of what is need it and how you think it should be done.
I
hope this could enlight a little bit everyone minds and have given you any
help.
Sincerely,
RG
Hi Guys,
RG said it all. I would like to be involved in all the aspects of
keeping this server running and building. My only issue is my time zone. Since I live in
the US, est...I'm getting home usually as the events are finishing...so I'm between a rock
and a hard place.
If there is something I can do administratively to assist, that can
be completed in my time zone, let me know.
@OP....I have been a Senior Managing
Executive (VP of Operations) for several years. Managing people, time and administrative
responsibilities can be a daunting task. Many times my staff cannot make the posted
meetings or budget discussions due to personal or corporate related duties. You have to
find a way to work with them or around them.
I choose to work with my staff. This in
turn has rewarded me with solid loyalty and dedication from the men & women under my
direction. However, many times, they direct me.
Let some of the individuals here
take a role to assist you. In turn, once they volunteer, those people need to follow through
with their responsibilities.
Leadership is about accountability, not
responsibility.
Thanks,
Gunny
1. ive asked to create an event plan... i got
nothing... and i mean it this way... what has been posted on the forum is pure shit...
nothing worth to be used
i asked for something i could put to the CF page... with
rules... times... eventmanagers... but nothing has been done
only shit like "i can do
this... i can do that..."
rules still seem to change from week to week... times seem to
change... even the managers dont show up (have seen it several times)
2. ive
asked for information about SL.... what did i get? a message that i can get a copy of the
english version of SL
really great... as the riddle that is running shows it seems like
im talking against a wall
3. ive asked ppl to contact me via mail if there are
requests... weird... didnt get any mails but more than 20 pms and other shit here on the
forum threads
4. ive asked for help with FL-Stats... and i know for sure that
there are ppl here that have the knownledge to do the coding... not a single guy contacted
me
5. ive asked to help me with the CF database and to come to me to coordinate
which parts will be done.... nothing ... no response
6. ive asked for newsposters
in different cathegories... again 0 replies
7. ive asked the clans to give me a
clanprofile... the link to the clanpage... a logo... and the name of the SP
im still
waiting for the information
8. ive asked ppl to come to the meeting but you know
the result...
9. ive asked the community to push the server.... result was a
single news on LR (how great)
10. ive asked ppl to think about asf and csf....
besides a few posts.... nothing
11. ive asked ppl to find out things about new
clans that show up on the server... all i know about them is what i have found out
myself
12. i have asked for help with php.... and if i remember right there are
ppl here with scripting experience... but again no help
13. i have asked ppl to
help me to build up a SL Community again... looks like this will never happen coz ppl just
dont want to take over some responsibility
14. i have asked ppl to create new
sections for new games.... but it seems like you guys just want to sit around and watch FL
dying and at the moment this will happen you will see that this community will die
aswell
you dont even think about to give this place a future... you all just sit here and
wait for the end... and then you all will go different ways because you dont have created
something that can hold back the worst...
instead of taking responsibility and say "hey
i like this community and i want to create a future after FL so we all can stay here and
have fun even in 10 years" you just say "hmm i just go any play different games somewhere
else... maybe when i come back this place is still here"
15. you want me to
delegate something... you say im responsible for this coz i dont delegate...
well here is
my answer: I WONT DELEGATE JOBS TO PPL WHICH CANT EVEN READ OR IGNORE WHAT I HAVE
WRITTEN
I ALSO WONT DELEGATE TO PPL WHICH SEEM NOT TO BE INTERESTED IN THIS
COMMUNITY
16. and now to give you an overview about what i as single person have
to do here
- keep the server up (check it every single day)
- talk to clanleaders
-
talk to other serveradmins (this week ive already spoken to 5 of them)
- update the whole
SWAT-Portal (with a few hundred pages every year)
- moderate the forums (even if i
originally gave moderator rights to some other ppl which dont do their jobs)
- search for
UR lost MP-IDs
- answer up to 30 emails and PMs everyday
- code the mods (CF 1.53, CF
1.6, SL-R 1.02)
- help ppl on the server
- lead meeting where ppl dont appear
- get
information about new clans on the server
- lead BG
- give help to other mod
creators
- check chars
- play serveradmin (kick, ban, check chars.... any many other
things)
- get information about other servers
- check 4 different forums
everyday
and many other things that i as a single person have to do and nobody is asking
me if i need help or if it is too much
do i get something for all the things
i do? no
did i ever asked you to do something for my personal pleasure? no
and now ppl
come and try to give me good advices... tell me that im arrogant... tell me that they dont
want to do something for free.... or that things already have been done while i never got
those things
guys go on like you did in the past... watch how the server gets more
and more empty... watch how ur clans fall appart... and watch this community dying
i dont
really need you... i can go anywhere and start again... maybe i go to eve where my name
seems to be worth something (at least many old jg-players seem to remember me and the old
stories)
but dont blame me when the death of this place is near coz its only ur fucking
responsibility
i already have asked you guys to work together with me (for free) i
will not do this a 2nd time
Op,
I am not
arguing your point about your requests for help, because I've seen them all. So I know they
exist.
And I have answered to some as well.
I'd like to see everyone here
assume a task and help move this server and it's projects forward.
@ op i know for a fat that i have asked you about the SP for DC coz i have all
conversations copied from msn its part of the upgrade. and i have been told not to worry
about it. i even asked you last night when you and my clan was having a pvp match but still
i got no answer.
Quoteive asked to create an event plan
i have
been running the smugglers event for 2 weeks and i think ive done a good job so far yes i
have changed a few things but that makes it easier on me
Quoteive asked for
information about SL
talk to wolf he has just finished the SL game he might
be able to hel you in what you are looking for
Quoteive asked ppl to find out
things about new clans that show up on the server... all i know about them is what i have
found out myself
ive enven tried this one and when i try talking to new
clans they just dont reply to me i can see the frustraion here
other than this im not
sure what else i can do coz i dont