Altair

yeah and now we speak english... is that

better? lol

btw. there was a nuclear bomb in germany... a very small version which

has been tested a few hundred kilometers from where i live
it was not exactly an a-bomb

and it also was no dirty bomb.... well it was more like the early version of an a-bomb but

without high quality urianium that is needed for such bombs... therefore the damage radius

was very limited... reason for this was the uranium which was not going to start a

chainreaction like the bombs nowadays would do
the work on this bomb started 1942 and

was leaded by heisenberg.... the test of the bomb they created was somewhere in north

thuringia

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Originally posted by Jib
Nitro, yer right the

Germans were not very close to an A-Bomp, imo because their top physicist Werner Heidellman

(who first proposed the theory of a fission bomb), deliberatly sat on it... A true hero to

humanity.

But i did not say thermo-nuclear bomb, but "dirty" uranium bomb

(conventional explosives to spread about deadly radioactive particles).. This is something

both the nazis and Japan were capable of doing by processing uranium ore.

Oh...

Without the U.S. in Europe after the war and the next 40 years until the break-up, you would

be speaking Russian now....

Is the US foolhardy in many of their attempts to stop

Arab terrorism? Hell yes they are... Iraq is a disaster that the majority of americans wish

never happened. But did anyone complain about Afganistan or the first Persian Gulf war, or

Kosovo, or Bosnia? Hell no they didnt.... If the US didnt intervene in those cases, does

anyone really think that some1 else would have solved them??

It is fashionable to

complain about the US, and alot of polititions make their careers from it.... But the fact

is that many times in the past american blood was spilled to right wrongs and do the tough,

dirty jobs that ppl in western europe didnt want to do, but were secretly glad that some1

else would do FOR THEM.... So they could complain in freedom.

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Why does

the US have the idea that THEY should be the police of the world? That everything that is

going on, is holding up to their standards?

I mean: after 9/11 it was "you are with

us or against us". Hell no I want to share myself behind GW.

The UN (of which the US

are a member) initiated a international warcrime tribunal in Den Haag (which is in my

country). The purpose of that tribunal was to bring people to justice under the

authorisation of the United Nations who commited a war crime in a country and who weren't

brought to justice by one of the countries involved in that incident.
The US denied to

sign the treaty in which they would agree to cooporate with the tribunal. They even

threatened to invade the Netherlands in case an American would be prosecuted there. I mean,

the Netherlands, a member of NATO and the UN. In a tribunal under authorisation of the

UN.

Oh.. I love the USA........ not.

And what about the new USA UN ambassador

who is against the UN, who wants to get rid of the UN. Great.

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Originally posted by Nitro

Why does the US have the idea that

THEY should be the police of the world? That everything that is going on, is holding up to

their standards?

I mean: after 9/11 it was "you are with us or against us". Hell no I

want to share myself behind GW.

The UN (of which the US are a member) initiated a

international warcrime tribunal in Den Haag (which is in my country). The purpose of that

tribunal was to bring people to justice under the authorisation of the United Nations who

commited a war crime in a country and who weren't brought to justice by one of the

countries involved in that incident.
The US denied to sign the treaty in which they would

agree to cooporate with the tribunal. They even threatened to invade the Netherlands in case

an American would be prosecuted there. I mean, the Netherlands, a member of NATO and the UN.

In a tribunal under authorisation of the UN.

Oh.. I love the USA........

not.

And what about the new USA UN ambassador who is against the UN, who wants to

get rid of the UN. Great.

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U got me there about George Bush... a total

asshole in MANY americans' opinion. But he is not "america"... He too shall pass. That

idiot in UN cant change anything.. Dont let propaganda and alarmism obscure the reality.

Comeon, did u really think we would "invade" a NATO country? And since we are on the

subject, as a NATO country Netherlands and Germany share the blame for much of the shit that

ppl throw at America... Conveniently forgotten. Quit NATO if u dont like it.

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@OP: Do u think there would be a PC

revolution, Microsoft, and Apple... A incredibly diverse medium for u to use in Europe if u

were speaking Russian??? Or cell phones (..which i hate lol), email, or games like

Freelancer? I understand that many ppl all over the world are disgusted that american

culture is encroaching on their own... But that is NOT the fault of america... It is ur own

faults for accepting the culture!!
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U ppl who just like to

complain about the US: WTF would u do instead to keep stability in the world??

We

never get an answer to that question because the only interest is in criticising and not

DOING.

ive no problem with

americans in general but ive a problem not only with the US government... ive a problem with

the country itself

1. the americans are proud and say that this is the land of

freedom
but the reality looks like this:
there are more laws that restrict the

freedom than in any other land

2. they call it a democracy but it isnt a democracy

coz that means that ppl are equal but this isnt the case
the whole election system in US

is just a farce

3. the freedom of speech should have highest priority in a modern

civilized country but in US the government can do what every they want

4. the US

government even decides about laws that they dont know and not even have read before they

voted for "yes"

5. the USA keeps playing "world police" and decides what other

countries have to do and if not they declare a war

6. the US broke contracts witht he

UN and the NATO
they invaded the iraq without reason and without any permission
they

ignored all other countries and like nitro said "even you are with us or against us"
and

now that they cant control what they have created in iraq they came to use to tell us that

it is our duty to help them... that we have to send our soldiers to ensure the

security
no thanks
they have started the war... and they will pay for this
we wont

send our ppl down there knowing that they will die and the US companies can get their oil

out there
really no thx

7. the US military and the US government broke the Genvea

Code several times and every1 knows it... in my oppionion the USA should be judged for

this

oh and i tell you something... if i would have been in the position to lead

germany (unrealistic and impossible i know but ...) then i would have said "If just one

single US soldier will set one foot on the ground of the iraq i will declare war to the USA"

I would have drawn a final line not to cross knowing that my country has no chance against

the US military but also knowing that other countries would see that and do the same and for

sure they would have done this. And maybe then the USA would have seen that they are also

just a small country with 250mio ppl against the rest of the world. Maybe they would have

noticed how small they are on this planet... maybe i would have paid my price for this but i

would have known that i did the right thing and that it was worth it

and then you can

call it real freedom on the world coz ppl would have noticed that everything has

consequences

back to reality:
now that the USA has ignored the whole world...

dozents of ppl die coz of them every day... the economy of half of the world is fucked

up
international laws have been broken
and the US government is already looking for

the next country to attack

oh and jib - the NATO and the UN were not created to

invade other countries... they were created to protect them and thats exactly what they

do

since the 2nd world war the USA starts invading other countries without

reason
yes ppl say that they do it to protect the USA
but hell open ur eyes... when

was the USA ever attacked? when did there ever fall an enemy bomb on the ground of the USA?

where were all those enemy soldiers?
those enemies dont exist

and now they want to

establish a constitution in iraq - lol
a constitution written by US government
for

sure i wouldnt accept this constitution and i can really understand why those ppl in iraq

will do everything to prevent this

Damn. Now this

thread has turned into a big political thread. And it's all MY fault. I hate

myself.[wall]

@neberbord: hehehe, not yer fault it was bound to happen somewhere or

sometime...
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Every fucing thing wrong in the

world is because of the US. ...... ROFL.

Iraq invasion was controversial and wrong

imo... But plenty of ppl thought it was what is needed for world stability. Again, let me

REPEAT no one complained about kosovo, or Afganistan..... cause western euros agreed that it

needed to be done.

Why are we the police force for the world? Cause no one else

wants to spend the time and money to have an effective military any more; one that could

stop aggression somewhere else in the world where innocent ppl are dieing cause of some

asshole dictator's greed and hatred. The US acts as a deterrent to alot of tin-horn

dictators attking their neighbors, or killing off rival tribes or political rivals.... They

know that if they do those heinious things, we will get them eventually. Who else would they

fear??? The dutch navy, or the luftwaffe?

We are insuring that companies like Shell

Oil (dutch) or BMW or GAF (german) can operate in stabile environments so ppl have jobs so

the world doesnt have another situation like the 1930's again.... If the US just

disappeared off the face of the Earth, and no else stepped up to do that.... Thats exactly

what would happen... Cause u euros would be too busy squabbling amongst urselves to get

ANYTHING done.

Sure half the worlds economy is fuced up... Why?

1. Cause the

third world was shit-on by europe after the end of colonialism in the 50's and 60's...

Just thrown out there to die.... Once ur countries couldnt steal their resources anymore,

they were abandoned to chaos (no pun intended lol). Is that the fault of the US???

2.

Because unlike the Euros, the US allows free trade with third-world countries which has

lowered the US's standard of living somewhat.... and raised the standards in many poor

countries ALOT. So my point is half the world's economy is good or better cause of the

US... The other half bad or worse cause of trade practices like the EC has.

Ppl watch

the news, say "geez, thats terrible". but many (not all) western euros dont want to do shit

about it.. too busy blaming the US for everything that has ever gone wrong in their

lives.... Because thats alot easier than taking any responsibility.

U can hate the

current administration, dislike the news media in the US, and generally disagree with their

policies. Fine, we can all agree to disagree it.

But remember that the US has had

one main goal throughout all the years after ww2: That is to stop communism from taking

over... There is much proof that the Soviets seriously planned an invasion through the Fulda

Gap in the early 1980's, and that the Pershing and Cruise Missiles made them change their

minds... Ironic, isnt it? Cause the ppl in the nato countries all protested about them.

Sometimes i think thats what's behind all this hatred of the US: The victory over

the Soviets. That ppl who were indoctrinated as children to hate the US and who were on the

socialist side, resent that WE BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM...

There are lots of evil

fucs out there who love to see the US humiliated, its military lessened, and politically

outcast by her allies... So they can get away with dominating, torturing, and murdering the

ppl under their control.

So, western europe, what would U do to stop that,

eh?

EDIT:

Ok one more thing then i think i will let u have the last word (its

ur forum afterall lol).

About our freedoms (or lack of it..): Dont forget ive been

Europe many times.. My passport has 2 extra pages stapled in it for all entry/exit stamps..

So if i told an american that in Germany these things exist they would hardly believe u ppl

put up with it:

U need a licence to play golf (NO IM NOT KIDDING)! And if u want to

keep a boat (even a little fishing skiff), it could take 5 years on a waiting list to get

permission and licence.

Personal freedoms in general are much lighter in the US....

There really is no question of that.

Jibby, a lot of western

europe-countries pay more to aid per head of the population than the US.

About your

last question: United Nations

And of course the Europe Union to negotiate. We do not

have a united europe army (I hope it will not come either), so we talk. Unless the Americans

who all have a shotgun behind the door, a loaded magnum in the drawer for their kids to

grab, and start shooting.

the war in afganistan and kosovo well i tell you

why
kosovo coz it was the ppl were dying there... they were attacked
and afganistan

coz of osama bin laden and coz of the fact that the USA put presure on us
and just to say

just a few european countries took part in those attacks... germany mostly supported the

build ups again, medicals and other important help

well like you said no other

country has or wants to have such a big army anymore... so why does the USA needs

one?
the truth is that all the power of the USA is just coz of of the military
other

countries like france, gb, germany are compared to the USA damn small
but their

economical power is equal to the USA and in some parts even better

and to answer ur

question... not the dutch navy, not the luftwaffe.... the NATO
and dont tell me that the

USA invaded the iraq to help those ppl... hello?????
the first what they did even before

they helped those ppl was to get the oil refineries running again
it was all about the

oil... nothing more

and dont tell me that you insure those companies... i tell

you who insures them - those ppl which die there everyday
oh and insurance... do you even

know who had to pay for the WTC? That were companies like "Allianz" and other sub-companies

of the "Münchner Rück" (the largest insurance company worldwide) -> a german insurer which

has to pay now for that shit... only coz the USA couldnt shut up and stay in their own

countries all those years
and i tell you who else will have to pay now... all those

countries which were stupid enough to help the USA during these wars
those countries

lived in peace and now they have to live with the terror and the bombs
thats exactly what

happens if you play world police

but back to the oil.... do you know where the oil is

going to???? do you know it? mainly to the USA where most ppl still drive cars that need 30l

fuel/100km
in other parts of this planet like in europe the ppl think a little bit

different
here we use cars that need 6-8l and even cars that need only 3l
but hey if

the USA needs more oil they just start the next war... who cares
not to mention the kyoto

agreements where all instustial countries agreed reduce the pollution of the air ... well

all countries except the USA which refused to sign it
lets set it into relation
the

USA is producing about 25% of the worldwide air pollution.... that means 250 mio ppl pollute

the air by 25% and those other 6billion ppl on this planet do the rest
dont you think

that there is a problem with this?

and no jib the economy is not fucked up coz of

the 3rd world... the 3rd world did exist 100 years ago and it will still exist a long time

(even if european countries are donation hundred of billions to help the 3rd world)
but

the situation there is not coz those countries were european colonies... this situation

started long before that

the economy of the world is fucked up coz of the war... coz

of the USA... partly coz of china

and no we have no trade restriction with other

countries no matter what you might think
oh and just to let you know the researches show

that the economy in 3rd and in industry countries went down.. it didnt get

better

communism? victory over sovjets??
OMG
u call it a victory but in the end

what did you do?
it was MY country which started a peaceful "revolution" with the help of

other european countries... there was just one single US politican who had something to do

with everything and you call it victory?
what is it what you have won with ur

victory?
i tell you what happened.... millions of ppl which had a job lost them... the

economy went down coz of the changing times and political systems. you have won nothing and

you dont even know what it meant to be in a country with a communistic political

system.

I know it. I lived in such a country and it was the best time of my life. So

dont tell us that you saved us from the communism... there never was something that needed

to be saved

EDIT:

You dont need a licence to play golf...wtf... ive never

needed it and i will never need one

and there is also nothing about boats

O_o
every1 can rent a boat or buy one ... you dont even need something like a driving

licence

About the collaps of the Sovjet Union......

The CIA was caught

with their pants down, they did not know it was going to happen.

first of all as a human being and fellow crossfire player i respect all of the

oppinions given thus far in this current political debate. As a Disabled American Veteran of

the U.S. Army, I must stand by my Goverments desicions. I may not agree with them but as a

former soldier who stood up and took the call to defend the ideals of freedom against all

enemy's both forigen and domestic.
I do agree that my goverment was wrong in the

blatant attack of Iraq, but I also do belive that Saddam did support the terrorist regime of

Bin Ladden. Did Saddam have the weapons of mass destruction that my goverment claimed they

had? I have to say no. I say no mainly due to the fact that no weapons of that type have

been found.
Do I feel that Saddam was a person of ill repute? Yes! It is well

documented to my limited knowledge that Saddam did commit crimes against humanity to his own

people. So in that fact Saddam was a criminal that did need to be stopped.
But I do

agree that my country's Goverment has essentally gone into another Veit-Nam with this

senseless war in Iraq

too.....much knowledge cant.........take this much

learning...........in one.........sitting........brain swelling with.........incredible

pain......cant......learn.....during after hours.....brain...overload...........

i symphitize with sand of time 3. maybe leave this info

but, this is about altier systems thread! so please pay attention: while was exploring

those systems with sevrel mods that helpt me at open SP i found the coalition HQ!!! it's

nice to see some coalition, how ever, i had nver understanded what are all of those

lisence's that is at mannhatten and such?

A serious psycological impact took place with the dropping of Little

Boy and Fat Man.
It was "acceptable" to see clouds of warplanes that would carpet bomb

cities. They were expecting an invasion. But when Little Boy was dropped, it gave them pause

to think. However, when Fat Man was dropped, it drove a drastic point home. Instead of

clouds of warplanes that would kill thousands during a bombing raid, they had to reconsider

the possibility that just a few warplanes now had the power to completely exterminate

them.

It was a brutally clear last resort to end a war.

What could have been the worst war the world has ever lived through? There are many

opinions. Each war has its own terror and carnage. I dont think any war has elegance, honor

or glory.
Remember the phrase, "the war to end all wars"?
It's been applied to many

of them. War itself hasnt changed, but the face and sophistication of it has. Every epoch of

humanity had its "technological advances".

In the long run, it wont be a war that

will wipe us out. Nature itself testifies to that. We will eventually overpopulate ourselves

to a point it will crash again like it did 10,000 years ago. Many contributing factors are

presently at work now that guarantee this will happen. Population growth, famine, disease,

climate, war and not to overlook the astronomical event. (Yes, DNA evidence points

specifically to a population "bottleneck" that occured, leaving a population of roughly 40

thousand to 50 thousand survivors out of a few billion inhabitants.) It happened before and

it will happen again.
Looking at present conditions, I'd venture a guess this will

probably occure somewhere around 2032. (That's only 27 years to go.)

But what is it

that draws people together from all walks of life? Natural Disasters. That is when there is

honor and glory. When One Human Being reaches out to help another in need. That builds the

bridge between cultures.
Evil in its etherial form is that which tears the goodness of

humanity down and brings the world to the edge of destruction and chaos.

Regarding

Crossfire:
When I venture into hostile territory, the enemy dies until I decide to leave.

When I encountered the Coalition, they too were fighting the nomads, but seemingly

ineffective. (in other systems that were not of Sol, but through a dimensional rift). But

the hatred goes deep when it should at least be put aside to fight an enemy who would rather

see humanity draw its last breath. This would only be right considering the circumstances

between humans and an advanced alien species. What did the nomads do to the coalition? Was

it any different than what occured in Sirius? But oddly, we who live in Sirius won a great

conflict against the nomads in the Freelancer story. It seems the Coalition didnt fair

nearly as well as we did against them. Yet, why would the Coalition seek to continue the

struggle against the Alliance when even the Coalition itself must have been nearly

exterminated by the nomads whome we defeated.

If the Coalition had been truely

superior in the initial surprise attack when the Alliance launched the sleeper ships, we

would not be here today. I dont think the Alliance was beaten or really "driven out", but

evidence suggests we actually chose to leave to start a new life.
1. 5 Sleeper ships

(with their escorts) against an armada?
2. Afterwards, nomads invade the Sol system and

nearly wipe out the coalition?
3. 800 years later, we run into the nomad threat and

defeat them.

Ok. Benefit of doubt. 2 coalition sleeper ships....one of them sent to

search for us. I am guessing they just didnt get the news about their homeworld? So now we

know where they are and it seems they arent as technically advanced as we seem to be.

Something just isnt quite adding up.

Just some observations.

wow..... such large posts for a Freelancer forum.....

The number

you have dialed has been disconnected or is no longer in service, please check the number

and dial again.

Ptolemy
no, the Coalition knew.

Not all humans died that day. They survived the harsh climates a few weeks to launch their

sleeperships to Altiar and Sirius

Ppl who complain that some posts here actually have some substance and meaning:

ROFL.

Maybe it should ALL be sensless, stupid spam so u never have to

think...

If it bothers u to see big posts that explore serious questions i have a

simple solution: DONT FUCING READ THEM.

Dumb question: What's the Altair

system and how do you get there?

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Originally posted by

{Cmd}-Zane
Dumb question: What's the Altair system and how do you get there?

Alitar is in the same exact place as the Sirus ( is it?) but its in

another dimension. Go to Nephele, and go to the Coalition sleepership off of Outpost Delta.

change the scan fequency to solar, and you will pick up an itme called, "secret storage

container." find it, ahoot it, and tractor in the loot. Once you have it, follow the

instructions, and they will lead to to a Dimensional Rift.

a little note: be sure

you have either a good ship and equipment or you throw it into god mode before you go

through, or your a dead man flying.