Crossfire Mod 1.7 Client Version

You mean like these planets?

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Are you seriously telling me that i have been to every corner of DK to complete this quest just so i can sell the black boxes to any coalition base for 9 mil each?

Well i have finished maping the new sistems and i have to say i am pretty disappointed...

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First of all the "quest" had the worst ending possible....i did that quest just to get some credits and i had a better feeling after i finished the Hiruga maze ( at least there i had an "ending story" music).....
The lack of imagination in some parts was astonishing (like the copy systems Oasis- Sea of Shadow.

The DK sistem was the worst, the constant obsession with rocks and space junk made the systems almost unexplorable and the lack of habitable planets and wrecks in these systems made me call DK T.L.U.S (the lifeless useless systems), there is absolutely no reason for me to be there except for sightseeing and that is not the reason i play this game...

The coalition sistems are an improvement but apart from buyng an excellent ship like Ragnarok and some new items like Holoprojector (usless in single player mode), the Coalition Torpedo Lancher, Power Generator MK V, Phoneix Project Cannon, and other things that i haven't found or just don't remember them and of course the conversation on earth there is nothing you can really do there...
People won't even talk with you and you can forget about jobs, if the reason you are there is not on my list there is nothing for you except a huge waste of time..

The Crosfire sistem on the other hand are a different matter.
Except for some "T.L.U.S" systems almost everything is how it should be (wrecks, new weapons and ships, etc).

Despite my criticism i will like to express my sincere thanks for this mod and my admiration for the people how worked at this (given the limited resources available) not only for the work itself but for the continued support for this mod (answering questions patiently, updating, fixing bugs, etc,).

It was a pleasure meeting you all and maybe i will see you on multiplayer.

Good flying.

Well if DK are invading they have to establish a "beach head" and that means bases of operation, HQ, etc.
It seams stupid to think that they have to go they have to go through 12 jump gates just to kill a single pilot...
And if these sistems are unexplored maybe you could find a primordial life form or neanderthals in one of the planets left by DK.
Is ignorant to think that we and DK are the only evolved life and the universe has plans only for us...
And if DK build jump gates to travel and this was part of there impire that means they need docking rings to so planets could have docking rings even if they are uninhabited, you just land in the middle of nowhere..
That's is the logical way of thinking...

Good points, OP, although i disagree on the intelligent lifeforms: Thus far none has been found which really meets the criteria

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so, docking rings like human beings are using it?

Why do you think that they have to live on planets? Did you ever scanned one of their Ships? Did you realy explored all the systems and never found their Stations?

Why do you think that they can´t have other Jump possibilities? At least you are not ready because you are thinking that the DK´s are from the known CF Space - you didn´t found the riddles explanation yet which is sad and funny together (funny because of your post).

A question to you now:

How can you proof, that the DK´s are not from Altair or Sirius - it can be found in the Game

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They are from Sirius..
The game story says so.
If you follow the original story line Sinclair said "Look around you miss Zane you are standing in the living history of the DK" she was makeing a archaeological dig in what was a DK city...
Not only they had city's but they had used paper to (Sinclair's panels).
Leater in the story Quintaine said "The DK empire was to big for DK to rely on normal jump gates".
So all this was D.K empire they had city's, paper, etc, so is not that farfetch to belive that an colonizing race would build more city's in the purpose of expansion like we did in the game.

SWAT_OP-R8R
I am not an expert i am just expressing my opinion and since i dont think that you are one of the "experts in life forms" you can't really ask me that...
In the original story line the DK left there empire and if you left your home and come back just to find somebody sitting in your chair you will be doing more then just saying hallo..
You can't force hundreds motherships and crusiers in to all DK sistems and then just call them "a general scouting party", be reasonable....
They are interesed because the mod creators made them interested in just one pilot.
The nomads where the defenders of DK home and the reason of the attack was simple, intruders (us)..
The logical way of thinking is that if the defenders failed and DK is back with so much fire power it could be only one reason ( to take the home back).
The main reason for docking rings in all s.f movies or games is logical and simple.
No ship could outstand entering atmosphere over and over again because the material should be indestructibile and you dont need to be an expert to know that...
And if the nomads base had docking possibilites and was in fact a base (the one built in CF mod with the ragnarok ship) so if you made it this way you cant really say now "they dont need bases or docking rings".

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It is not naive to think that humans and DKs are the only evolved life forms

Yes it is naive since human life evolved in a natural way (and not simply put on earth) because of breathable atmosphere and optimum climatic conditions and since these conditions can be found in many planets in freelancer it's just naive to think that life only exists where these races are...
You can't say "If they would attack others carelessly then they also could have attacked the humans while they were running around with primitive swords" because in the original story "SOL" was not in the DK sistems and the CF war with SOL was just forced...
The alliance left for sirius 800 years ago in the 24th century and since CF team made a jump hole so near to Sirius i can't see how a war of this magnitude can go unnotice for Sirius...
And the story on earth "We (the fleet) left and when we camed back everybody was dead in a war with nomads"
was just ridiculous..
Where did the fleet go and why?
A fleet's single porpuse is to defend her homeworld...
They just left for a stroll and when they came back everybody was dead hahaha that's a good one.

SWAT_OP-R8R
They are from Sirius because the game says so (the original story) "This was the DK empire" .
Following your logic DK build hypergates in there empire in every sistem just so they can build only one city[677]

It should be more colonies because DK build hypergates there and the only reason you build train rails into uncharted territory is to build a city and expand...
You dont build it just to look at the fluffy colored clouds you created.

No you are not, your scouting party looks like the biggest fleet i ever saw i may not know the entire CF story but i know the entire original story and even if DK empire is bigger this was "there home".

Ever since i started this mod killing nomads made DK hostile to me and since i am the only one they attak is fair to assume that.

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thats not true... sol was not whiped out because of humans intruding DK territory... and sol was the first system which got attacked.... long before the nomad war really started
not to mention that there are 800 years between the destruction of sol and the nomad war... so what reason should the nomads have had to stay back

You dont know your freelancer story...
According to Casper a Rheinland a survey team discoverd a uncharted planet (one that no human have steps foot before) when they penetreted crust the inhabitans viewed us as a threat.
So in the original story nomads acted only as a defence mechanisms after they viewed us as invaders ( and yes, nomads where on a planet ).

The sleeper ships is not the kind of ships that lands every day on a planet and i never saw any repairships entering atmosfere (or any other ship for that matter).

Well since DK left there home about 8 bilion years ago that kind of blows your theory away.
You should play Spore to really understand what it takes for a civilization to rise or exist for that matter.

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Department of Atmospheric Sciences and Astrobiology Program, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington.
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Space Science Division, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California.
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Space Science Division, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California.
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They are "the experts".

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how do you know that sol was not a DK system? any proof?
oh and sol got attacked before the alliance reached sirius

How do i know?
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As you can see our sistem is not in the DK hypergate charts in the original story and there is no hypergate to SOL (they already established that DK needed hypergates to travel) and if there is no line directly to SOL on there maps they have never been there....

Right after the alliance left and where on the way to Sirius the houses stopped the war united and the nomads attacked while the fleet was gone? hahahah
This is even more ridiculous...

Must i remind you sir that not the entire Alliance force left SOL when the sliper ships where launched and the war was still raging between coalition and the remaining forces of the Alliance so there was no way the coalition fleet left for that strool with a war on.....

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Alliance left to sirius. Coalition left to Altair.

The alliance left for Sirius in desperation not because they wanted to see what is out there but because they where losing the war and consequently there way of life so the alliance houses made a slipper ship for each house and probably put in those s.s representative of the best in each nation (or house).
They did not jammed every individual of those countries in to a S.S hahahha
So the alliance left in desperation and the coalition left in the middle of the war (almost won) because...
Because what?
Because the felt the need to abandone there home after fighting so hard for it (in a 100 years war) and wining the war just to colonise a part of a new sistem they didn't even know?
Give me a brake.....
This story was forced and with no foundation but with huge plot holes in it!!!

Daywalker

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Where exactly do you se the difference?
The ice palace or the three new sons?
Indead very different.....

What you find interesting in a game is not exactly what i do..
You dont need to explore all DK sistems to fight a mothership and i dont think that you can just fight mothership after mothership and still find it intresting after 2 or 3 hours...
You can buy "the rag" in single player because as you can see in most of my pictures i did buy it...

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Ok, thats simply wrong, you can talk with the coalition inhabitants and i made countless Jobs for them - it´s just a matter of your Reputation...

Really?
Fighting who?
My reputation with them is on FRENDLY and no jobs ever come up...

if you got the rag then you are a cheater^^ and with that prove it shows me that you mainly manipulate games to obtain relevant information or data.

And sorry can you translate the NASA report for all noobs here. I am not very familiar with the math that is reported there As far as i know oxygen was needed to built up higher lifeforms - but only here on earth. But this must not apply to other planets far beyond here the same. The first living forms doesn't needed oxygen... Algae produced much of oxygen without having used this gas for their own...

And for my understanding train rail are built to move faster between given points. They are whether to explore nor built cities...

For the rest of the story... um.. too much details about a story... two or more different meanings and assumptions. No one knows how it develops... We tell our part If you don't like it - its your choice.

Huor Súrion
The fact that i got "the rag" doesn't mean that i am i cheater...
That is an assumption without being informed, i just docked with the base and they let me in....
The fact that you can't doesn't mean that is not posibile..
I can give you my save and you can dock yourself...
That is not a "NASA report" is a joint scientific report and what you need to know is that "Conversely, Earth-like planets orbiting long-lived stars are potentially favorable habitats for complex life"
So if in theory, Earth-like planets can contain complex life..
And since they are so many Earth-like planets in freelancer (if you look at the description) it would be logical to assume that complex life can be in in least one of them and even an evolved one (since DK left Sirius for 8 bilion years)...

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And for my understanding train rail are built to move faster between given points. They are whether to explore nor built cities

Your understanding of the rail sistem is at best is at absurd..
So you build a rail sistem just to get in the middle of nowhere so you can spit on the ground then later on you can come back just to check your spit (did it evaporated or did it turned into dust) hahahahha
Good thing you where not part of the first american pioneers
You guys are funny....

SWAT_OP-R8R

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you ignore facts and make many wrong claims laying out the story so it fits to your imagination... you completly ignore facts about Crossfire, Freelancer and Starlancer.
You have absolutly no idea about the crossfire story but you think you can judge about it.

I have some ideea but i definitely seem to know the original story better then you and that's is sad....

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I am sick that you ignore the facts and I am sick how you talk about one of the best FL mods out there

So you name your mod "one of the best FL mods out there"
How humble of you...
This why you probably have such a hard time accepting any criticism...

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you make comments with contrary meanings.
On the one side you claim that the DK are so powerful and in the next moment you claim that they use exactly the same technology

No i dont.
Useing docking rings is not a sight of weakness is just a logical step in technology because as i said it would be difficult to enter and exit a planet atmosphere over and over again...

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and i doubt that a guy which needed that much time to just play original game can have full maps of everything in CF in just a few days. Even your screenshots with the maps are plain stupid... because the color and the arrangement of nebulas does not mean that the systems are identical.

If you had read my posts and not just browse through them you will find that i did not need 5 years to find every corner of the Sirius, i just play this game for 5 years...

I can give you maps of every sistem in CF if you want to .
I may have missed a wreek but not a sistem.

Are you in denial???
Those sistems are a copy why can't you accept it?

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show nothing about sol (which is one of the many proofs that you just talk bullshit here)

Well like I said... go to the profile of this forum and delete your account if you dont like what we do here

Maybe you need you need glasses or something..
But let me help you out...

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Recognize this?

Messier 31, M31 or Andromeda Galaxy is the nearest spiral galaxy to our own, the Milky Way.
Andromeda is the largest galaxy of the Local Group, which consists of the Andromeda Galaxy, the Milky Way Galaxy, the Triangulum Galaxy, and about 30 other smaller galaxies.
So you can't see Milky Way in that map but Andromeda Galaxy beeing the largest is logical to assume that it was worth mapping as a point of reference.
Even if that was not the case there is still no line to Milky Way which will indicate that DK even know about us...

I never said i dont like what you do here and in fact i even praised your work but i am not one of your players from the server so don't expect me to bow down and glorify your work as perfect.
This is my opinion as an objective user of your product and if you want to be glorified i am sure there is no lack of ass kissers on your server but don't expect that from me...

I will however take your advice and delete my account since you dont know the meaning of "constructive criticism" and you just want to be God of something...
It's pretty clear that nobody wants to hear anything that even remotely resembles an opposite opinion and since i am not going to declare your work perfect there is no room for me here...

I am not Nostradamus but i can predict the following:
You will keep ignoring the original story and Freelancer 2 will hit you like a hammer in the head because you made the wrong assumptions and then nobody will want to play your mod because it will be extremely different from the original freelancer and the title "Freelance mod" will have no meaning....

Farewell and have fun up there..

Dear Guest (sorry forgot your previous registered name).

Firstly we are accepting criticism if we are convinced of the points of criticism. As far it is our story we would like to share here its in the narrators idea to change parts. That has always been so and that will always remain so.

Back to your concerns:
The Base to get the rag has enormous shields and you cannot simply dock there without having changed anything on the game. Hence as you must have did so - you manipulated the game data to get this ship. Doing this is called cheat - whether you are a cheater or not - you manipulated data -> that is called cheating - see wikipedia (as you are a friend of facts^^)

And as far as i can remember the train rails leading through whole Russia... there more than 100 km without any big city or even not fully explored landscape... The same was in western America.. In former times as they built up the rails between the east and west... Do you really believe they have explored all the area between it? Indeed here on earth its logical to build rails between existing cities. But reminding on space and the distances you will have to bring behind you - its not possible to built cities everywhere and to explore all the space aka universes around the rails... That even was not made in TNG and all derivatives...

And why cant DKs know about us? Maybe they once were here before any kind of living exist on earth... To this time they could have mapped the systems... Left cause there were nothing interesting with a remind to come back later (you mentioned that they left before 8 billion years)... There must be no sign to identify that someone was already here... That's even not in RL and here on earth. Not everything that should be logical must be logical. As far as we don't know "exactly" we can only assume. That's what this story is about... Its based on ideas and storys - not on facts^^

So finally thanks for your criticism... But it wont change the story <strong>we</strong> would like to tell. And we are not looking forward to be a prequel to FL 2 - what nearly will never reach any market and will never be developed...