Cheating in MP

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    MP PvP is nothing but a hacker on hacker fight or Hacker on non-hacker noob who thinks that other person is just really good. As a mod maker I know what can be done with ships and how much firepower each ship with what every weapons are on that ship of how long they can fire before running out of energy, as well as the turn rate of ships. I am shocked at many of the people that I know who have been in FL for years and use some cheats to get a huge advantage over the other players. Many i call friends and many are Server police or even admins.


    If you have seen this garbage, plz report it and maybe an anti-cheat program can get it fixed.


    Until then if you are very good and as an example you have someone beat you in a defender and you in a drake because the defender out turns your Drake its not skill as much as it is cheating. So yes question those who seem to have a much more agile ship then your own which is he same type or less agile or get an admin to watch the fight as well, yet I have also seen admin and server police use such cheats as well so that may not be the answer as well.


    I am bringing this issue up as it needs to be discussed and for years it has been over looked as a secret so to speak. If it is not addressed then maybe someone should let the rest of the players know how the other people turn circles around them so they can have a fair fight against the other cheaters out there. There are many and I feel that they should have there players totally erased all there kills and $$ gone. Not ban them just make them start from scratch every time they are caught until they leave or give up on the cheating.


    Your thoughts good or bad I will not mind. At least this can be addressed here where the forums are still open for all FL players.

    I thought it is impossible to cheat on CF.


    Anyway I do not cheat.


    I only say one thing to myself. These guys know that they are cheating so no matter how successful they look like, they will never feel like winners.


    Does it help if I do not PvP ? :P ;)

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    Super this sort of cheating has been going on for a VERY long time and no CF does not detect all.


    I personally dont see the need to cheat all you do is cheat yourself out of a learning experience ..... but what i do like is when i win against someone that is obviously cheating as they had to cheat to loose:)


    Cheating for me in anything no matter if in RL or in Game is the lowest of the low ..... i dont like it full stop but i beleive in Karma and what goes around allways comes back and kicks you up the ass!!!!!

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    I am not talking about CF, as I have not been on CF for a long time waiting on 1.8 to start out.


    I have been on many servers and played several modded ones I am not going to name any names or such thing. I just dont feel its right to allow this kind of play. I have been on 11 servers and 10 out of the 11 over the several years I have played has had a lot of this going on. Worse part about it is its easy to do and no anti-cheat so far has caught it.


    Not speaking of CF as I said I have not, played CF in years well I started a char on 1.7 but stopped as I found out the 1.8 was coming out. (Thought it to be sooner then this :P )


    Anyway, it needs to be stopped that simple.


    I have seen people turn so fast in vanilla FL in a titan that you would be hard pressed to make that turn in a patriot in fact you would not be able to do so. And yes I know all the little things to get your ship turned around fast I know how to PvP very well I have even beat such losers even with there code changes because they sucked as a pilot. So if you dont cheat then dont worry if you do you sucK. [1]

    vanilla FL has no real cheat detection and chasing cheaters is not easy


    CF1.7 has a pretty good cheat protection but it is not perfect
    CF1.8 will have a better anticheat code which hopefully will catch all cheaters

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    good topic and well written. I realy hope this will not lead to a flame.


    You are correct, cheating in FL is way to easy i had the same experiences on nearly all Servers i visited and this from the very beginning of FL. This is why i left the Game before.


    The point you took about skill is the main topic. If you want to become a good pilot you need much time, many training 100th of hours playing the Game and so on - last week i learned a handy new thing i never heard about before (indeed, i do not know all). But this is it, thinking how things are working, using new ideas and see them working is great but needs much time.


    Most cheaters, bug and lag users do not want to spend so much hours of learning, testing and so on - but they want to be seen as skilled pilots. So they start cheating - what they don´t know is that most of the skilled pilots knows who is cheating - so they will never get what they want so hard - the recognition from those who are realy skilled.


    And yes, it´s realy great to see a damn Cheater going down in spite of his cheats. But for me it´s quite easy - i don´t fight those scum anymore ;)


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    Its good to have anti-cheat that works and does not interfere with game play. Many AC I have seen OD's on AC and bans anyone for about anything. I think AC should be built for each mod not one built then try to make it work with a mod.


    AS OP has said CF has its own style of AC (if I am misunderstanding you OP let me know) which works with the mod not against it. This way if some one changes code somewhere it should detect it pretty fast Is that correct OP?


    Now To figure out a simalir AC for vanilla would be great as well. Again I feel each mod should build there own AC as to work with the mod not try to adapt one already made to work with who knows what.

    yes
    the idea is not to get someone kicked from the server because of "possible cheat"
    but being unable to use cheats at all

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    Only dead fish swim with the stream.
    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


    This is ten percent luck,
    Twenty percent skill,
    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will,
    Five percent pleasure,
    Fifty percent pain,
    And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

    Its really sad and very much against the spirit if people have to use cheats in order to have fun. However, in my whole time on CF I have met 1 cheater (that captain flash dude with his 6 admin-gun-mounted Ragnarok). If there were other people using some sort of faster turning cheat it appearantly wasnt enough to make me notice or take me down yet.


    All Im hoping is that whatever cheat may be possible is fixed in 1.8 so the accusations stop once and for all.


    When we had that topic about half a year ago many things were said allready. Including that there is just no such thing as a cheater playing a COMMUNITY game for longer than 3 months (Except ofc he is a real lameass highly overrating net reputation). I cant imagine a clan paying monthly server rent is resorting to cheats, just never seen it.


    Being cop harvested me some really good fights with those people who are often accused as cheater. One example is my still good rl m8 Dr.Doom who I'm fighting frequently. When he sits on my second computer I can be absolutely sure there is no cheat involved as I have setup the PC and know all the exceptions of file access in the firewall. Still he outturns me like hell most of the time we pvp against each other. Now if I would not be sitting next to him double-checking his every move I would probably get the very quick idea of some cheats being involved (I still kill him half of the time). It IS possible to stay 90% of a pvp behind an enemy even with the exact same ship (rare use of a NOT killed engine comes in handy).


    That being said it is very hard to judge about fair play if one cant check. Some people tend to overrate alot of situations whereas other people are used to playing hardcore arcarde games against Asians.


    It definatly is a good thing to wake up the community each and every month about looking out for cheater aswell as bugs and report them asap. Perhaps it really would be a better idea tho if someone who actually knows whats been talked about here from the technical side would talk to OP about it so he can get it fixed. The ability to change ship stats can be considered a "bug/hole in the (cheat detect) system" which abused would clearly be cheating.


    Whats bad is people using the fact of the unclear cheat situation on CF in order to support their "lobby" by using any means neccessary to drive the competition of the server. Talking about the overrated net reputation^^.


    PS.: No flaming intended. Just my honest belief :)

    UPDATE:


    I would like to report that FLAC has fixed the ship turn rate cheat as well as the missile torpedo agility cheat, along with the many different weapons cheats used by cheaters.


    The game server is gaming to change in pvp fights as now skill is going to take the place of cheating. Therefore, a big Thank you to Eagle for adding these pvp cheats to FLAC so quickly.

    i guess im one of the very few admins which dont have access to the efs boards since my old account (registered a few years ago) does not exist anymore and my new account has no access rights yet

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    Only dead fish swim with the stream.
    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


    This is ten percent luck,
    Twenty percent skill,
    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will,
    Five percent pleasure,
    Fifty percent pain,
    And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

    yes i know that
    ive sent that mail a few days ago

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    Only dead fish swim with the stream.
    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


    This is ten percent luck,
    Twenty percent skill,
    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will,
    Five percent pleasure,
    Fifty percent pain,
    And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

    FLAC is the way to go regarding anti cheat software. I may be new on this forum (different name) but i'm an old hand at FL and running a server. The fixes are excellent and the regular updates that Eagle does are always welcome plus there is the ability to code in all sorts of extra stuff if you have the programming knowledge.


    The latest update as Flybyu has pointed out will stop a lot of the ini modifier crowd. The problem is that there will always be people who want to cheat and they will find a way. No server can stop this but the good thing is that its getting more and more difficult which is always a good thing.

    when ever i get access ill test it

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    Only dead fish swim with the stream.
    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


    This is ten percent luck,
    Twenty percent skill,
    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will,
    Five percent pleasure,
    Fifty percent pain,
    And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

    yes indeed
    reading through all those threads takes longer than i thought

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    Only dead fish swim with the stream.
    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


    This is ten percent luck,
    Twenty percent skill,
    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will,
    Five percent pleasure,
    Fifty percent pain,
    And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

    the features are impressive
    but ive also heard bad stories about the update processes while players on the server couldnt play until the new update was released


    it also is a bit disappointing that its not compatible with FLhook (and the players on CF would loose some of our custom features)

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    Only dead fish swim with the stream.
    Don't discuss with idiots. They only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience there.


    This is ten percent luck,
    Twenty percent skill,
    Fifteen percent concentrated power of will,
    Five percent pleasure,
    Fifty percent pain,
    And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

    i would give away all features FLHook brings with it for a working anti cheat protection - if i may throw something in...


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