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  • One year ago I announced that the GLS would go down in 2008. Result: the TLR staff and several others claimed that this are lies and attacked me in public.
    One year later the GLS does go down. So I guess I said the truth to the FL community and my information was 100% valid.
    I could recall several other incidents where the same did happen and my words turned out to be true but this is not the topic now.


    A few months we got the official information when the GLS will go down and what microsoft decided. This information has been published here and was also forwarded to TLR where admins decided this information is something that should be hidden and not given out to the FL community.


    Meanwhile due to people which visited SWAT and due to spreading rumours almost the entire FL community is aware of that info. Good!


    A few days ago we got the information that there is a chance to keep the GLS online for another year if we fullfill some conditions. Again I went to TLR to inform them and again this info disappeared somewhere in the dark. The FL community does not seem to be worthy to know about this chance nor does it seem to be worthy to decide about its own future in the eyes of TLR. In fact I was told by a TLR admin that this possible chance will not be considered.


    Why?
    Because TLR is working on own GLS Software and like the TLR admins announced at the last meeting this new software will have the ability to exclude/ban servers. At this meeting it also was said that every server has to comply with the rules that TLR will set up no matter if they want or not, no matter how these rules will look like.
    Every server which does not agree to the rules or be part of the TLR community is risking to disappear from the GLS since TLR will have the total power of the Freelancer world.


    As Crossfire server admin i can lean back now and watch the show. Crossfire is protected and the players wouldnt notice if the global list server is online or not, they wouldnt even notice if TLR does decide to ban our server.
    Other servers dont have such a protection.


    Why would i bother?
    At the TLR meeting it was said that TLR has the highest priority, it doesnt matter if other communities die because of TLR, TLR has highest priority.
    Guess what.... TLR has no priority. Freelancer is the only thing that is important and therefore we will support Freelancer and not TLR.
    We support the different FL communities, the different FL mods and the different FL servers.





    That means we have 2 options now.


    1. we try to keep the old GLS online for another year and give a fuck about what TLR decides (this involves that the FL servers start to work together now)


    or


    2. we get the original GLS software (from what i have heard this is possible) modify it so it is able to run on a different server and host it for all FL servers out there







    Option 2 is most likely the solution we are able to go for. But even then we will need to support of other FL communities and servers out there.


    Now what could happen?
    Yes if we host the GLS some ppl will start to say "but you have control over the GLS just like TLR and you will abuse these powers".
    Thats why i dont want to host the new GLS here. The powers need to be seperated in order to control abusive intentions. We get the server, we do the needed changes to be able to run it and then the GLS will be hosted on a server which is independant from TLR, independent from SWAT and even independent from Freelancer.
    No manipulations, no abuse.


    That is what we do and then we will see where the FL server admins want to be presented. In a free world or with TLR.
    SWAT is going to have only one responsiblity in this matter, the support of the FL community with information and help.




    THATS WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER TO THE ENTIRE FL COMMUNITY

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  • And we have a server host in mind?


    I would think Satyr could be very helpful in this scenario and he is one of our own, dedicated to the game of FL and a player. Not to mention, we know him and he is not a company with tons of red-tape.


    I am sure he has reliable services as well.


    Obviously there are others out there and without a doubt, those names are on a list already.

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  • the condition was to get some more ppl to use the GLS
    basically a possible task

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  • sounds interesting tho...


    Option 2 sounds even better than option 1.


    what i am not really understanding is the fact that the TLR admins want to get control of nearly all servers and mods. And if the others dont want to follow their rules - they will ban them from the server list. Isn't this called a dictatorship?

  • Option 3
    we offer software to bypass the gls (the backup plan)

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  • We should work for the community as we do it here.


    Independence is a thing hard to get and harder to hold.


    I prefer getting the FL Admins together and offer the hosting of the GLS on an independend platform.


    The way of your thinking is correct OP, i even wouldn´t host it on or via SWAT because bad blood would appear very soon without any doubt, even when all would be done well and honorable.


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  • yeah - but there is no reason to make it easy for such guys

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  • I have to agree that Option 2 seems most exceptabble. As Option 1 would only postpone the inevitable & Option 3 would merily isolate us from everyone.


    With Option 2 we stand a better chance of susttaining the FL community. I have my serious doubts that most would be very grateful, but perhaps I will be proved wrong (hopefully).


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  • Option 1 looks best for the moment but if it fails then we can always go onto option 2

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  • since i always think as a pirate, im for Option 2


    1. you (OP) are now finally your own boss
    2. since i've been here, you have always been right
    3. if you decide to make it this option, you get additional money from the side to support the community
    4. mainly, SWAT servers get higher activity ratings

  • Option 3 would work cause only revelent servers for the mod someone uses would appear and thus, improve new players and experianced players understanding of the servers that allow different mods
    If not number 2
    not number 1 they are manipluative f****** and will make us all pay money to play FL (the server admins would have to pay high too!)


    Think about it:
    Freedom
    =OR=
    oprresion

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  • the first 2 options were not ment to be some kind of control
    it also was not meant that ppl have to pay something

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  • imho:


    1. option 3 should really b just a backup plan, since it requires a wide deal of different server admins support, which could prove impossible and time consuming. we should work on it everyday, but create a long-term plan for this option, with good guidance, or it will just prove time-consuming and nothing else.


    2. option 1 is a must go!


    3. option 2 should b done, but it may prove impossible, just as blaster suggested. if it is not possible, fallback to option 3, a backup plan.


    i would consider option 4, too, but as a parallel behavior to the primaries presented up - stay tuned to tlr's solution, and give it a try, just to check their policy in practice.

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  • well - since the TLR option requires to follow their rules i can already say that no matter what happens i will not go after that option (even if the world would break together)

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  • if u can't try tlr's option policy in practice, without compromising other options and swat in general, then it is not a option, ofc. i just don't know what obligations they r forcing at the end, so i suggested it.

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