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  • how is called the very first "atom" , the "atom" that exploaded in the Big Boom and the universe was born ?


    i ask you cuz i searched around 10 web-sites related to Big Boom but i cant find it ...

  • There is none. The Big Bang occured out of nothing.

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  • ehm .. sorry, i dont agree with that .. there are books written about how small that atom had to be .. the density it had .. the temperature that was inside that thing ... i remember that i wrote somewhere thze name .. but im not sure anymore ... the name exits ... for sure ..

  • everything in the universe should have its counter part
    a perfect system... everything fits together
    but if we wouldnt exist
    energy would form matter and and antimatter and those would break together back to energy right after it was formed
    but considering that energy is not = energy the stuff is more complicated
    since we are here the universe is not perfect... something did not have a counterpart and therefore the matter did not break together again-> result: bigbang (even this is just a very very very simple explaination)


    to answer the q about the atom:
    i heavily doubt that a first atom was born out of the bigbang or that an atom was the reason for it
    since the forced must have been too big that a proton would have been able to "hold" an electron
    i wouldnt even say that protons were result or reason for the bigbang (coz they consist of other small pieces)... and not even electrons (but there im not sure)


    but if you ask for the first "complex" structure would have been a meson


    the first atom in the universe would have been a hydrogen atom since it is the most simple atom and the creation of more complex atoms requires the fusion power of stars


    personally i tend to call the first object that was different from the state before the bigbang "god"

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  • And I just don't believe in the big bang, everything is too precise..... Consider this. You take some wood and nails, and leave them there. They aren't going to become a chair. If something as simple as a chair needs a creator, doesn't the universe? ^^

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  • bigbang is just an expression of what did happen


    like i stated the universe before bigbang was perfect
    out of enery matter and antimatter were created and broke together to energy again
    a perfect circle
    but now something did happen... lets say "god" appeared and took away the antimatter
    that destroyed the balance and our universe was born
    nothing more than a nice chain-reaction

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  • eh, but antimatter also isnt prooved to exist . its a theory that would only help everyone to understand the circulation of the energy in the universe and the creation of some things

  • Actually it does...... we can produce anti-matter.....


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter


    CERN produces anti-matter, therefore it *does* exist. :D

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  • yes - mankind is able to produce antimatter
    and its known that some areas of the universe contain antimatter

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    Originally posted by Inferno
    how is called the very first "atom" , the "atom" that exploaded in the Big Boom and the universe was born ?


    i ask you cuz i searched around 10 web-sites related to Big Boom but i cant find it ...


    Human civilization throughout its history has changed its views of the universe quite frequently. The idea of atoms goes back to Ancient Greece. The question you ask though is unknowable, as is everything else. We try to find ways to explain the phenomena that occur and cause everything around us, but in the end we can not "know" or "prove" anything without admitting ignorance. Humanity will always find ways to explain things, therefore I give you this philosophical answer rather than a scientific or religious guess. :D

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  • As my grandfather says "Only God knows, and he isn't telling!"


    ^^

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    Originally posted by Inferno
    how is called the very first "atom" , the "atom" that exploaded in the Big Boom and the universe was born ?


    i ask you cuz i searched around 10 web-sites related to Big Boom but i cant find it ...


    The Bing Bang :D


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  • So Tyrael, did you actually read the bible to get the words for your sig, or did you spot it on a website and think it was cool? ^^

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  • nice discussion,


    its a similar question like: What have been there first the hen or the egg ;D <---- Scientists broke their head for this question.....


    Maybe there was some kind of primordial soup, where unknown "atoms" exist. This soup became more and more unbalanced and finally it end in a big bang. And from this the now know universe was born (visible part). The antimatter (unvisible part) point is, that it still exists, e. g. in forms of black holes - they are useful to hold the power or energy level at a nearly constant level. For every part there is an antipart - it has to be this way. Otherwise everything would end in chaos (the earth will rush into the sun...).


    BTW: i like the idea that is shown in MenInBlack at the end of the movie, where a unknown creature hold a lot of universes in "marbles" ;D maybe it is like this way^^

  • @Ryzune


    And who created the creator?


    the simple thery of the atom is teh ideia that the matter is buil by energy, therefor a non stoptable movement runs all the universe making the thing's happening, there was never an perfect and static harmony.


    hmm pls kyron, help us out, after all these is your field, lol.

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    which came first....the chicken or the egg?!!! lol :D


    The egg. Chickens evolved LOOOOOOOOOONG after the dinosaurs....

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    Originally posted by Ryzune
    So Tyrael, did you actually read the bible to get the words for your sig, or did you spot it on a website and think it was cool? ^^


    I read the book of St. Joan, and i really like it:)


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  • well, no one knows what created the big bang...


    we know what happened some moments after the big bang but not in the 0 hour... even less before the big bang.


    whatever it was, the size does not matter, what matters is the energy, wich have to be enough to create one universe :)


    and antimater is closer than u think, positrons are present in some radiactive decays, its very easy too "catch" their energy when they annihilate with electrons, wich create a gama ray with a very define energy of 1022 KeVs, u can see more by searching positron-electron annihilation

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