Science question

It is ironic that the question of first causation, "where did the Big Bang come from?", is really ignored by cosmologists, who would like to think that they can explain everything which followed it. To say (as some "science" textbooks do) that the universe just appeared on its own out of nothingness, seems to me to require more faith than the notion that the Creator pre-dates and supercedes it. Men have created systems in which matter becomes self-organizing (as in molecular machine assembly), so why is it so hard to imagine a supreme Creator doing the same with the Universe? The physical laws are all descriptions of characteristics of matter and energy, which are specifically tailored to make life possible & sustainable. Change any of these physical constants by even a small percentage (such as the strength of the weak atomic force, the valence of the electron, the strength of gravitational fields, etc.) and life becomes impossible in its present forms. We have only a couple of centuries of reliable measurements of the current state of the universe; to assume that we can extrapolate these into billions of years of physical history is the ultimate in hubris...

If I may, religion was born because people needed a way to explain phenomena. Whenever in doubt it's some sort of supreme being that made it so. Science inadvertently came about when Greek philosophers tried to learn about reality - the light after death they said that eventually got some more bells and whistles attached and a few centuries later became known as heaven. I'm not trumpeting against faith here or looking for unfriendly debate, but none of you actually have the slightest clue and neither do I. We do not see what is, we see only what we want to. If we're lucky whatever crazy scheme of things that forms in our heads will be close to the mark. In the end though I supose all that matters is that we're happy with our views.

(you understand as I type this of course though, I cede my own faith is most whacked out and strange of all present :P)

Who created the creator? Why can't the creator have always existed? No beginning, and no end. After all, is that harder to believe than the fact that everything happened by chance? And for that matter, how did that first atom get there?

next ppl will say that earth is flat again,

I agree that maybe it wans't the big bang (after all it's just a theory) but I can't bite the "creator" thing.

If that is what you believe.... but about the "earth flat" thing.... the bible speaks of the earth as being "a circle"...... long before mankind realised otherwise