Posts by Jib

@ Op: i didnt ask u.... i

am waiting to hear from SOME1 in dc.... do they have the addy of this forum?

WAAAH! nitros looking at me

again... daddy make him stop

So from the 3 choices i had above your answer

appears to be the last #3 , the "didnt care" scenario, meaning

"They may declare war

if they like, let'em, they cant hurt us and its good practice for dc".

Sure...

actually this attitude i can understand and appreciate.... But then why the all-out

war-monger anti-jib media blitz and the bg attacks in space on us.....

U really cant

have it both ways and still be the "good guys" in all this u know... i mean ppl will notice

(ah, see #3 again lol). So this war was pushed a little from the other side too........ Isnt

that fair to say?

Well since this is becoming utterly absurd, i suggest bg just

retire to their corner in this professional wrestling tag-team match, and let dc and Chaos

duke it out. Nothing good will come from continuing on the way it is, and i dont mean that

as a threat just common sense.

Shooo, fly.

RGhawk, ur basic idea is right. Nitr0x is also correct, simpler is

better. For instance: All weps and any ship allowed (ppl gotta fly what they are used to).

BS' allowed?... maybe but then we would have to hold it where there are moorings (hey it's

prolly suicide, but go ahead if u like lol). Forget Cube Arena, the graphics there give ppl

headaches in a long fight.

The equal amount of ppl is good of course.. but i suggest

that there be a mininum of 6 ppl fighting on each side (... cause it shouldnt just be a

battle of the 3 top guys in each clan). So the number would be determined by how many

show-up, but 6 minimum or hold it another day (but meanwhile the war continues). I would

also suggest a set number of Re-Spawns (like "4", meaning 5 lives total).

Now for

Prize: As the aggreived party, Chaos will demand for prizes:

1. The 350 mil that bg

was gonna pay dc as Reparations.

2. A public apology on the server for not telling us

in advance what u were doing, refusing to compromise or even discuss it, and asking (or

allowing, lol) the bg to interfere in our clanwar.

3. A publicly-stated Agreement so

it doesn't happen again, limiting dc's participation in any future Chaos-bg fights or

wars.

dc can name their own prizes and terms proposals.

Then we can hammer

out an agreement and hold this "Clan War Battle Event", lol....

Meanwhile the fights

continue.

EDIT: Oh sry forget where i am lol: .... AND NO RINGERS!! Meaning no Eagle

Utopia guys or something recruited for the event lol... Lets say, from TODAY's date

(meaning they must have DC or Chaos char seen in space yesterday. So new ppl joining after

23:59 Sunday Sept. 11 cannot be in event.

Ok Op i appreciate your comments and would be pleased to rachet this down a few

notches.

But in all reality here... No one considered that our likely move in

response was war with dc? Really, thats hard to believe.

i dont expect an answer but

will ask anyway: Was the subject broached during the dc - bg negotiations.... And the

promise to help in case of war made?

Hand spammer!! (now thats an accusation

for u lol).

No answer?

Oh, i'll be happy to stop, when no longer attacked. i dont enjoy

this... But we will not allow Chaos to suffer from u ppl.... ppl who would gladly see us

dead and gone from the server would like us to stop disagreeing with them... lol.

Ok

one more time (even im getting tired of hearing his myself, lol):

1> in Sig19, we

made a war zone to attack bg traders there. Everyone was enjoying the fights, until nitro

took it upon himself to hire dc clan (or op told him to). Did he think it though? Did he

realize he would create a crisis by changing the balance of power completely, by turning a

once-ally into an instant enemy (the alliance had died less than 3 day before when dc

withdrew from CSF)?

2> nitro said bg needed to be freed-up to do other things, that

was his reason for hiring the dc clan for 350 million... So a few bg can go somewhere and

trade, or help a newbie start.. Would that really be worth lighting the fuze for a major

clan war? Or worth paying them 350 mil, lol?

So there are two possible answers to

that: That nitro was clueless what could happen (that we would declare war on dc for the

attk and betrayal), or that he was hoping it would happen. Well, technically three choices,

the last being he knew what could happen but didnt care.

So which was it, nitro?

That u didnt realize ur plan would start a clanwar, or that u were hoping it would (or didnt

care if it did?)? We would be interested to hear. Either way it looks damn irresponsable to

me.

I understand dragons motives and why he did the things he did.... Well lets just

say that if anyone else was in charge of Chaos or CSF he prolly never would have left CSF in

the first place, or attacked us without talking about it first. BUT: Ppl keep forgetting

this when they call me a war monger:

1. On this forum i offered to STEP DOWN as CSF

leader if it would make dragon happier about staying in the alliance.

2. Even after

they consumated the deal with nitro and announced it, and i told dc it meant war.... i

offered a fair compromise which they completely ignored.... Making me wonder why there was 0

time or thought spent on considering the offer.....

So ppl ask why i think this stuff

was planned all along.... In my world there are no coinicidences.

Nitro: Geez u really love your screenshots dont u, lol.....

IT IS ridiculous to say someone is "denying role play" to another player.. Thats the

stupidest lame bull-crap justification i and ever heard, lol..... Say it to urselves out

loud everyone, "Denying Role Play".... It even sounds stupid to the ears!

Thats why

i have no respect for u: U cant believe that it is true urself (cause it is too absurd); u

are just saying it to make a point in ur public relations (propaganda) campaign....

U see thats the defference between op and nitro and us: We have two very different

opinions , sure... But our side wouldnt post "the most plausable sounding explanation" or

justification for doing something that had much darker and selfish reasons... We gave all

our reasons for our actions and statements; here, openly..... ppl may disagree but at least

they feel as tho we believe it ourselves.

Double post cause op posted as i was still writing.

U wrote this in the above (dunno

my ability to use the regular "quote" function on the forum is not working last few days,

like my forum rank):
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"during the last 4 weeks ive been

accused being a liar (and not a single time some1 has ever said where i did lie),

"
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Then a little later u said

this:
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"we have been accused that we have entered the war

alongside DC against chaos (this did never happen)

"
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...Well, what do u call the last 3 days then.. No

matter what u call it is directly interfering in the war with dc.... ENTERING IT. You have

ur political reasons for doing it; everyone knows this.... Then u have the nerve to deny

what everyone can see, and u wonder why ppl call u a liar??

Dont piss down our

backs and tell us its raining.

Oh, and i have helped probably over 100 ppl on

the server with money and advice, and lots more with just advice or other trading help (all

non-Chaos ppl i mean)..... 3 or more ppl i helped start who are now enemies in dc, and at

least one in bg... i have always helped freely without trying to recruit them. U have bg

create a "bg assistance" char THIS WEEKEND and now pretend that is some kind of major

mission for bg.... Well u know what they say "no one is more pure than a reformed hooker".

And btw when the dc were sitting on the sidelines of the battle it was because u had

all available bg already attacking us.... lol. Which u said above ur not doing?
Anyway,

it makes absolutly no difference... How we conduct our clarwar IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS... cant

u get that thru ur skull? Stay out of it!

The 14 -yr old girl is the ONLY

thing i regret here, hard to know whos attacking u out of the blue at any given time (who a

char is is a hard question; i mean who they really are..). But to stave off ur inevitable

scathing reply, yes i should have used more restraint. Frankly u are glad to have something

to attk me personally with; the reality is u dont give a damn about her.

But u can

be sure i dont regret anything ive said to u, nitro, wavey, or anyone else in bg or dc....

Ive given my reasons for them and ppl can judge for themselves if i am being honest and if

im correct.

Ok Corp im sure u believe

that.

Why was i the only one booted offline? Not being able to log on is one thing,

possibly caused by the bug u mentioned. But i was simply thrown offline in the middle of our

little argument there in tohoku.. BTW it was right after i said something i am quite sure

nitro didnt like at all (...although that would purty much describe the entire conversation

lol). I was in dock at the time. Then after getting kicked i couldn't log back on for at

least 90 minutes.

Was there a server reset with a long time to re-boot at around

that time? Because the list still showed over 20 ppl online and msn contacts were still

online and fighting. I did try logging into console to see what that said (online or

offline) but was unable to get anything at all from that (i could be removed from console

access now, or maybe u cant access it if another is using it... dunno never tried

before).

Leaving the console up is a possible cause for lag or other problems (....as

nitro is prolly aware), i wonder why he would really need to do that? I also experienced the

"target bug" again yesterday. This is the problem where missiles & hornets wont lock and

just fly into the woods. Another of our guys reported it too. Come to think about it nitro

is usually on at those times i experience it... i wonder if he usually keeps the console

up? I notice nearly all bg's dont use missiles in battles anymore (but may still use for

pvp), so u guys may not ever notice it urselves. But believe me, we do... In our last series

of CSF battles about 3 weeks ago it happened the whole day. This last Saturday i didn't

experience it most of the day but noticed it about the same time as i mentioned on sys chat

that baldwin seemed to be a lag generator, since red lag was coming and going the same

times he was (dunno, yesterday was laggy anyway).

I do know that some bg will often

fire a hornet or other CD at long range to see if it tracks, as a means of testing if this

bug is present. And that this phenomena is not exclusive to v1.52 or maybe even CF (although

we have noticed it much more lately).

Thx for that little piece of info Corp it could

be invaluable to solving a very vexing problem that we have been having.

Corp: Yes i am angry, but not from months ago but from recently starting 2 weeks ago. And

there is more to be mad about every day here... For instance yesterday while in tohoku in

the middle of a server-wide conversation i was just booted from the server... couldnt

re-connect for over 90 minutes. I have a good cable connection so that doesnt ever happen to

me. It wasnt a server re-set, i was in msn converstaion with ppl still online who said there

was no ban or kick message and the lag was "average" for the battles there yesterday. Ar

least 2 other Chaos could not connect during that time either... That was DAMN CONVENIENT

for bg since i was the on-site battle leader and spokesman and [Chaos] White Wolf and Nitr0x

couldnt connect online then either. Was it coincidence that this rare event happened DURING

A CRITICAL BATTLE WITH BG (and the few dc that showed up)? Would three more fighters have

made a big difference? U bet it would have. Disgusting.... Your damn right im mad about it.

Corp, if it was proven that we were deliberatly kept out of the battle, would your

opinions on this issue change?

Oh BTW op since u made your comment earlier, i am the

rightful and equal co-leader of Chaos.. Therefor i have full negotiating rights for the

clan. So u will stop insinuating somehow that i am not. Maybe u think u can control that

too, eh?

baldwin if u want to attk a clan u should declare war then. No, u dont have the

right to attk pirates, lawful serverclans, unless they are pirating some at the time.... Are

u saying bg has the right to attk anyone, anywhere, all the the time? Such arrogance would

only be tolerated where the admin also runs a clan.. hmm not many other clans will stay here

then under those conditions, bg can have the server all to urselves, then... pirate-free,

finally.

But why should u care baldwin, u'll just move on to the next game soon

again like u did last time.

Anyone that would judge us and our actions saying we

should cowtow to bg's naked aggession and their high-handed bullshit... Just because the

server's a little laggy while we're having battles? Get a clue.. it's laggy anyway with

that many ppl at once. Sry but the stakes are too high for ppl with little understanding of

the situation and no real interest of their own in it to tell us what we should or shouldnt

do. If ppl want to call us demogoges for defending ourselves agianst the bg progaganda

onslaught, go ahead... we dont really care.

There is one simple set of facts here:

dc decided to take a contract to attk us. we declared war on them in retaliation, as was our

right. bg didnt like theri plan upset so they decided to help dc and attack us, even tho

they DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO without declaring war first (after all, we are not

pirating dc, we are at clan war with them).... So if are not pirating dc, what right does bg

claim to have to attack us? All the lies, propaganda, and bullshit wont change those

facts.

Op now says he doesnt need a reason (notice that he gave up trying to use

nitro's ridiculous bullshit reason that we were "stopping them from role play" LOL), so now

he says he can attk us any time he feels like it..... Ppl should listen closely to that, and

ask if thats the kind of atmosphere they want to be around. He is just trying to avoid

looking bad by declaring war on a serverclan for no good reason, yet he reserves the right

to try and crush us anyway without the war declaration... Well i think ppl will

notice.

And why all this? Because they couldnt get their way in sig19.. it really is

that simple. Well its too bad, now.... the damage is done and will keep on being done until

bg stops interfering with our lawfull business.

Dont call us warmongers. we did what

we had to do to survive and thrive, there was no need for war if compromise was sought, but

it wasnt sought.. around here it's always his way or the high-way. Well we're sick of it

so try to run us off then because we are not accepting this and never will.

Every one of ur so-called points was just more of ur usual

poisonous and threatening propaganda... Every time getting a little more threatening...

i am digusted by it and by you. So if u insist on acting this way this is how i

respond.

To hell with u then, and to hell with all the ppl who dont like it. We dont

need ur approval on what to do, how to run our clan. Who to have in our clan, how we merge

with others. What we do in our clan. Whom we decide to have a war with or not. So u can do

what u will then, we will respond as we have to. But everyone should know there will be 39

levels of hell on this server if u continue to deliberatly interfere with our business and

help dc in this war. In the end, whatever the outcome it will be a net loss for u. So keep

it up, mr."GOD".

Captain Kirk talking to Khan in ST2 movie: "Khan, im laughing at ur

"superiority"....

Thats how i feel about u, cause the only way u have to maintain ur

very tenious edge is by manipulation and deception. U have no honor in my book or in the

book of literally hundreds of ppl who have gotten to know u in the past that u have also

fuced-over, and u are very obviously not to be believed or trusted. nitro is also without

honor, his lies about bg's true motives and his anger-based bullshit banning practices

stink to high heaven, as does his miserable attempts to provoke so he can get his little

screenies. Disgusting is the word for it, really.

So the hell with u both. U wont be

geting any more help from me in the future... add me to that VERY long list of enemies u

have. But it is obvious ive already been on it for many months already, and u just bided

your time to attack us.

An by the way since u did mention it, the only ppl who keep

bringing up the war last time are u and nitro, u do it when u want to try and control me, as

a reminder. The ppl who remember those events know the story... but go ahead abnd post old

screen shots maybe it should be addressed again... Well anyway i wont ever be cowed by the

likes of u or nitro... neither will any Chaos so u can stick that crap where the sun dont

shine along with ur threats and "killboard ^^".

Oh the one thing is will comment

specifically on is the guys from Russia, i have no problem with their country at all, its

how they were known around commonly cause they didnt have a clan name. As u well know, the

ppl i was referring to are 3aHo3a, PisdeZ, FanaT, and Matros.
And yes, bg did not do

their job with them if they felt like trading that day, as many ppl on the server

noticed.
And it does go to show that ur silly reasons for attking us are just naked cover

for trying to control and "punish" us. Well, we dont accept it.

@ darkstalker: But please

explain if u are representing the non-Clan freelancers here, or in PiA Clan. May i ask if i

once know u before under a different name here? How long have u been on the

server?

Thx for your opinon. From our view point, a battle between Chaos and dc clans

is the proper way to solve this.

dragon If u want us out of your system, fight us out. your clan against Chaos.

Now who's threatening war, eh? The

same ppl who pushed this thing from the beginning 2 weeks ago. The same ppl who forced war

on us from the beginning with trumpted-up accusations of rule-breaking, then with their

bizantine alliance-breaking and betrayal. Then their public relations machine cranks into

high gear... They do love their screenies, dont they?

Yes Don, they are

clanmasters..... masters of deception.

Now the gauntlet is laid: the implicit threat

made by op that if Chaos doesnt stop the war with dc, bg will declare war and try to crush

Chaos....

Well let us test that theory then: If op and bg are not trying to get us

to declare war (which we said earlier that we wouldnt do; and still wont do), then they will

agree with and urge dc to accept our challenge:

Straight up clan battle; between

Chaos and dc... Outcome to decide the war, no freelancers and no bg.

darkstalker:

who are u anyway (if u dont mind me asking, lol), i don't believe we have met... have we?

Thank u Don, for injecting some sanity here. As former BG

leader who literally wrote the book on clan tactics, ur opinion is very important and

repected all over the FL, ... and gaming world.

Some1 (a bg who is not very

objective, lol... ) suggested that the only thing for Chaos to do was to surrender sig19 to

the bg... i wont even comment on that one lol, i will let the non-aligned ppl decide if that

was a good idea or not.

Cross threading warning: Bad, i know Don, lol.. But i gotta

repeat this one one more time:

Chaos will fight dc straight-up in battle, no

freelancers and no bg interfering. Interested

dc????
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Edit: nitro: Why should bg have

to "agree" with Chaos' reasons for delaring war???? U are not the gods of the server,

deciding what should happen... that is completely arrogant... and ridiculous. U claim u have

the right to attk us by some underhanded, bullsh*t excuse... Yet u claim Chaos doesnt have

the right to declare A LAWFULL war on dc... ur crap reasoning just shows you are trying to

hide your true motives.

STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER, DC...

Dragon u get a lot of

posting done but not much fighting...

See the other thread.. We challenge u to a clan

battle, no bg and no freelancers.

DO YOU ACCEPT ???

Well dragon, i can image why u feel so relieved and cocky again (not like yesterday,

lol..), when u were getting creamed so bad u had to leave urself....

I was trying to

be nice earlier, but u are asking for it:

U want a straight-up fight between us? no

freelancers or no bg?

LETS HEAR YOUR ANSWER THEN... Or are u afraid of doing

that?

lol, u should have just let op do the talking.