Posts by Jib

@eagle I really am having a hard time undertanding u. No one said

your opinion wasnt respected... In fact i clearly said u were entitled to it. U seem to have

a lot of anger over this issue... dunno why it seems personal to u when it shouldnt.

Maybe u had a simular event happen on your old server some time that has left alot

of unresolved feelings... But i assure u this isnt your old server, and im not that other

person.

What is puzzling is why u are so vehemently opposed to us, when u obviously

do not know the background.. Most ppl will try to look at both sides before coming to such a

one-sided conclusion.

Thank u for the history info, u have been in FL alot longer

than me for sure (MP only about 10 months). If i can ask one more question? Do u and Op and

other bg have a long aquaintance?

Eagle are u a clan leader?

If i go to the bathroom u gona follow me there too?

@eagle: Ok we always try to judge ppl on what

they say and do as well... I agree its good advice.

Like u for instance: Some1 new

here who doesnt want to answer any questions about who u are or what ur story is... U just

show up at a very critical time damning one side 100% ; and praising the other side 100%

........

Sure u got a right to an opinion.. But at least the ppl who come on here

with opinions in support of Chaos dont look so much like obvious shills... They are all

well-known and respected on the server by many.... Who are u again?

Slayer u declared war on us (we STILL dont know why cause u have given us no coherent

reason for it). What did u expect us to do, surrender to u the first day?

Look....

We have no quarrel here! U can be unfriendly, np. U can dislike us, also np. But why do u go

to war? Remember we are asking why u DID decide to go to war (sunday in the meeting i am

guessing), not why u are mad at us NOW.

Lots of unfortunate things happen during

clanwar, but if ppl never got over them there would never be peace.

The best thing

for the server would be if PiA and DC decide to negotiate with Chaos. We know bg wont now

(cause op said so on other thread)... but that doesnt stop us from making a separate peace.

Like i said on the other thread: Doesnt it just "feel right" that Chaos and bg fight

this war?

What server was that eagle? Since u seem to know so much about Chaos (being critical

and all, suggesting we be banned), we are interested in hearing about u.

what 3 chances op?

Sry but that is pure unadulterated, 100% grade "A",

unreprocessed bull cookies......

"Chances" like unspecific "Stop this shit or else!"

statements dont usually count as diplomatic precises. There has been nothing but ultimatums

from bg... "Stop war with dc or else"..... and "Stop replying to our forum attacks or

else".... Not very conductive to the free expression of ideas lol. To op the thought of

negotiation with us is ridiculous.. why should he? He believes he can just crush us instead.

With the two other clans to help, why shouldnt he think that?... He has no incentive to stop

the war.

Look at his above statement: A flat refusal by op to negotiate. Thanks for

showing everyone that. This was a test.... one that makes our position crystal clear.

Well we expected no less, since of course we understood that op wont stop attacking

us until we are utterly gone from here or completely destroyed.

We have information

that he clearly stated he wont quit until certain of our Clan Members are gone forever from

the server.

Well op, u seem to think u run Chaos too, but u DONT and NEVER will. The

war with bg will continue then.... because even tho some of us were planning to leave

anyway... NO ONE RUNS US OFF.

Those ppl who want to blame us for all this should take

another look.
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@To DC Leadership:

We would still like hear from DC clan on the above proposal for truce and

negotiation.... U too should state for the whole server to see whether u are really

interested in peace or not. There are no rules that say we cannot make a separate peace

between our clans....

After all... Isnt it just "right" that Chaos and bg fight this

out now?

@ Thx Crunch, we would

be pleased to have u on our team, u were respected on CF by all.

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BTW so far the only ppl im

specifically accused of insulting are op (in a private group chat conversation no one should

have seen here....) and trowa who was pretending to be a 14-yr old girl but i knew at the

time he wasnt, lol.... he's now banned anyway for posting a funny pic of Don Zardeone as a

vampire, lol (well some other reasons too i guess, but we dunno them exactly maybe

"sedition" would be the legal term).

As to why we are at clanwar... they wont tell me

the reason other than we "denied dc their right of role play" which is too ridiculous for

even most of their own ppl to believe ( i c he is back to trying that one agian ^^, lol...)

.

Basically the truth as we see it is op wants to try and punish Chaos for daring to

defy him, and for trying to grow and be competitive agianst bg.

We posed no threat

to the server... how could we? we dont have any control over it, only op does... its up to

op what happens with it not us. The idea that we are "ruining it" stems directly from him

refusing to accept our presence ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.... as in an ultimatim: He will close

the server if he doesnt get his way. He has said this several times, actually. So i guess

the ppl that support him decided we are a good sacrifice in order to keep their status quo.

Well i hope they excuse us if we disagree. We are not very lamb-like and not ready

to die for the bloody alter of the bg's ego.

Ehhh.... ok Slaver... BTW why do u say u cant trust me, since we never met? We never had

any dealings... the first communications we ever had was about u declaring war on us,

lol.... Apparently all you are willing to do is listen to what my enemies say about me. Can

u think for yourself?

U can not "like" me all u want, lol.... But u have been given

no reasons to not "trust" me at my word..... So dont pretend that u have.

We are not

adverse to your thoughtful suggestion.

Thx for making it. We still dont see any

reasons for us to be at clanwar with u, and hope that can be remedied soon.

Please no

Chaos post here (...'cept Xiron if he wants to, lol).

@ eh , wavey.... u really should give it

up. no trowa wasnt my friend and he didnt start R-39 .... and he was a member of the dc clan

wasnt he? PLEASE learn some facts for chrissakes....

I would think the subject of

trowa would be off the "talking points" sheet now, lol...

nomad Killer: U guys are

good fighters, dont let op knock u or try to intimidate u.

Nomad Killer

good to hear from u m8, we were wondering where u guys have been.

Well u should make

up your own mind about whats been going on, but let me say that the CSF has been disbanded

and u guys are not obligated to be our allies. In fact u may want to stay out of our war

against the dc, bg, and pia clans and the "Chaos Haters Club" of freelancers lol; we wont

blame u at all if u do.

They say the server was shut down cause op was mad at us for

"starting sh*t" i guess (in a nutshell we declared war on dc, bg started helping them, we

complained about it). Again i will let u be the judge. But know that shutting down the

server was never our intention or plan.

I hope we can talk soon.

Ehh, i dunno.... How many

more u got ?

@darkslayer: u are shill for op and we really dont care what u think.....

The

fact is we have many more members now than when this sh*t stated.... who are the

"hemmoraged" ex-chaos then? U have no idea what u are talking about, as usual.

Op

and his stooges can say the "whole server is against us" all they want, lol... and try to

turn this into a personal thing about me.... well that is the tried-and true tactics op and

bg love most... But when ppl begin to admit the emperor is naked... all the spin in the

world wont help them.

@ Slayer: U forget, u already declared war on us.... even tho

u don't even know us at all... remember? that leaves little incentive for us to be nice to

u, lol. We are already enemies so your blustering is meaningless.

U mentioned sliders

as a dieing clan not active on the server any more, how do u know all this information about

them then, since us guys are all supposed to be "new to the server" ? Are u or any of ur

members ex-sliders?

@ Ah wavey u should know by now not to comment on stuff u know

nothing about... R-39 were NOT brought here by trowa... R39 WAS FORMED HERE ON CF BY MY

FRIENDS. So that was really, really.... uninformed of u lol. U are completely wrong about

that; it should teach u not to listen to ur own sides' propaganda (eh, but i doubt it will

help lol).

If pia are fake or not, theres something really weird about how they

showed up here: Im still betting there is a bg connection. Want to bet agianst me on

that?

@Op: Just as a side issue, regarding the banning of Trowa and Don, YOU DID say

that DON Z. posted that pic and u banned HIM for it.. U were wrong, trowa posted it. But ur

later post saying it "doesnt matter" is what's disturbing.... it shows u think all "enemies

of the state" should be banned, even if they have done nothing to deserve it under your

forum or server rules..... "Finito".

Slaver... lemme get this right... U are declaring war on Chaos cause

we are stopping ur fun? Sry but that just doesnt sound right... in fact very little about u

guys sounds "right"... like u are a manufactured clan... like u are fakes.

That's

right, FAKES.

Since we are at war anyway, i can say it... U showed up just as the

trouble was starting.. u never did talk to us about the server or joining CSF, u just "did"

somehow... Like magic.

Perfect timing to show up.... right when op was making

preparations to ally bg and dc against us and R-39 whom he hated...

Sry but anyone

who runs a clan knows that what u are suggesting is ridiculous.... And that there is

something "funny" about u guys. Funny as in maybe u were around before, like maybe u used to

be another clan on the server..... like "Sliders" perhaps. And sliders has bg connections

(we used to call it "bg sidewalk division" lol).

Bg is known to use fake clans

before, as training grounds and recruiting filters; thats a fact that can be proven.

I could be wrong i guess... but there are many coincidences to explain then; and

your reason for going to war with a clan u know nothing about is..... Lame.

Are all

ur members willing to come on here and say publicly they have no connections to bg?

For now we will not to make offensive operations against PiA....if u guys attack us

fine. But u really dont have a dog in this race, u would be wise to stay out it.

Op declared war on Chaos last evening. He told me the "whole server"

is against us, lol..... Hes got the dc, bg, PiA (still dunno what they got against us lol),

and the Y-M-C-A all fighting us now...

Those freelancers who take sides against us

are doing it out of fear. Fear created by op's temporary closing of the server and his

threat to close it again.... He is manipulating these ppl to get what he wants, which is to

see us destroyed. We knew this was his plan as soon as they hired dc ..... Everything that

happened since then was ordained and predictable.

He ran with the propaganda war

until it was clear it wasnt working... So they declared war over a trumped-up incident.

There is no question that if that had not happened, they would have found another reason

to.

Well he used this same "im gonna close the server unless u stop fighting us"

ploy against Chaos in the past, so we are wise to it.... and unmoved.

Yes trowa's right Don Z. told me that too..

he didnt agree to being muted..... so op must be m i s t a k e n .

Excuse the new thread the other was closed before we could

reply to the accusations.

@op : ok fair enough; now we are finally getting down to

it. Actually, f-y-i Chaos is in the middle of voting on what we will do next, so we have

decided that we will only fight in defence for the time being (meaning only when attacked).

As for your other accusations, well.... I c u didnt try to refute the statement made

earlier that u and bg always use forum-war and propaganda, usually with personal attacks,

against the other sides' spokespersons.... as a tool in war.

Thx for clearing that

up about tassadore. i suppose the "Anti-Chaos Coalition" are glad to have him on their side

and to know that u fully support him, and what he did.

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@PiA members: I am curious what Chaos did to u that u

want to declare war on us? We would gladly appreciate one of u replying. If its because i

jokingly posted in a public thread here that maybe u should consider being a merc clan...

Well perhaps declaring war over it is not the best reply to a flippant forum post? After

all, i didnt post in your clans' forum (that's a nasty tactic that Chaos would never

use...... ), and this forum is public after-all (look at all the strange posts u can see in

the Chaos thread). Nor did i wish u any ill-will by the post. So we are very curious about

why u want to go to war against us, when we dont even know u... If it was a language or

cultural barrier thing, then we are sorry if it offended u, that was not my intent.

So we would request a meeting with your Leader to discuss this, perhaps u are not

getting all the information u need to make the best decisions. Either way know that we wish

friendship between ur clan and ours.

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op's last reply before he locked the

thread:
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looks like he cant see it

anymore...

"bg tried the exact same thing (trying to get us to declare war) last May

before they got tired of it and declared war on us anyway"
i mean wtf... i told you to

do what u need to do and the sunday after that we declared war on you
and if you think

it would be a problem for us to declare a new war then ur totally wrong... it would just be

one of many

i have warned you 2 times now... one time when the forum came back and

one on this thread... and now i really have enough of this shit
you just wont stop with

it... every single post i see is "war" or shit like "BG has done this... DC has done this...

everyone allied against chaos to destroy it..." and you have not a single proof... really

absolutly nothing
the clans and the freelancers on this server have enough
you have

started a war with DC... a war which cant be won coz DC would never surrender
you have

started trouble with BG... accusing us to abuse our powers, beeing cheaters, having spies in

other clans and much more (every of those accusations have could been proven as wrong)

even freelancers are not happy about the your behaviour on the server
and the newest

clan... the PiA has been told by chaos to change their role because "BG would make problems

if they stay pirates" -> dont you think they can do their own decisions without influence of

other clans?

to make it short most ppl are damn pissed at you and some other chaos

members... and not BG, DC or anybody else except chaos itself is responsible for this. maybe

its time to search for the problems not at the others... one ex-chaos member told me on

sunday that chaos is not what it has been once and i think he is right... chaos is only

searching for more troule in my eyes and im sure the majority of this community is thinking

the same way

since the war between DC and chaos started we have given chaos several

chances to come out of this situation without being harmed but our offers were taken down

when i brought back this forum we have given you another chance but it also has been

ignored

all the time you said that we want to destroy chaos, that DC and BG are

allied just to take you guys down and that we have planned this all the time... that

everything we did was to bring you guys in exactly the situation you are now
you were

wrong all the time... we wanted a peaceful solution for this community nothing else
by

your actions and those of your members the situation got more and more worse... and due to

the fact that our offers were taken down we have no other chance now...

hereby i

declare officially that if just one more DC member (or members of PiA and BG) is being

attacked by chaos we will do our duty and go on war with chaos
you will notice that PiA

and a nummerous part of the freelancers will also do this

maybe you start thinking

now... why should we want a war? to get rid of chaos? why? there is no reason for that and

nobody would cut off his own leg...
jib - its up to you now... nobody of us wants this

war... not BG, not DC and not PiA but we will do what we have to do if you force us to it...

oh and to answer ur question... yes i will defend tassador... not because he is a

DC... not because he would have caused damage to chaos... i do it because he was/is an admin

and i can understand his motives pretty good
he had every right to do what he did... he

was the one any only owner of the chaos boards and had all rights
im in a similar

situation with SWAT coz i have to see all this shit here and i really want to take this

forum and the whole portal offline (the same way tassador closed the chaos boards)
ive

done no final decision yet
all i can say about tassador was that i had mixed feelings in

the past for him... that was before he did 2 respectful things... the 1st that he did hard

decision knowing the consequences... and the 2nd...well no ill just say that it has

something to do with tohoku (more is not needed)
oh and maybe i also should say that he

is one of the reasons for the meeting on sunday and the results of it (including that you

can read this post and go to the server again)
maybe if nobody else does respect him

(something which i really doubt) he has my respect for his

behaviour
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Oh well... i wont miss

the forum-war phase of this when and if it ever ends, lol... damn sick of it myself.

BTW: If ppl think we are scared, frightened, worried, anxious, cowed, shaking,

turning yellow, turning pale, or turning into birds and flying away.... nope. Call us

"foolishly optomistic" if u like, we dont care... just dont call us late for dinner, lol.

Chaos is glad to welcome several

new members to our Clan. They are experienced fighters with high levels of skill and

determination.... And we are very pleased to have u aboard.

Welcome M8s !!

EDIT: BTW.. In case anyone wondered, the person using the FORUM name of AngelEyes

(or TROWA in any other name) is not one of the new ppl we are welcoming, LOL ..... but op

has banned Don for what trowa posted.

lol tassadore....

U think u "owned" those

forums... so u had the right to destroy them. Well technically u may be right (dunno im not

a lawyer), but as far as we are concerned (....not just me, the whole Chaos Clan....), u

are a disgrace for doing it: U have no honor nor can u be trusted. Ur name is pretty much

sh*t on this server now; not even ur allies will have any respect for u. That's no threat

(cause ur not worth our time), that's just a fact.

We wont let our disgust of u

influence us in this war. Your advice on how we should counter the propaganda attack is not

asked for, nor is it or any good.

ur right about only one thing there: Yes it is a

game.... And should be looked at as that. But i notice that's what ppl often say when they

realize they cant win. I assure u that is NOT what we in Chaos are thinking....

I

glad u brought up the trowa thing: He did not have access to that forum, he was deleted over

2 weeks ago when we realized he was playing a double-game.. he had access for exactly one

day... Long enough for me to find out if he could be trusted or not. We hope u guys enjoyed

the disinformation we passed on to u, tho.

It seems u were predictable, tass. But

still i am sorry to find that out for sure.

@Op : I dont know what u are referring to as an accusation.... In the

only thing close to that in the above is where i said that bg are running a propaganda

campaign against Chaos.... Is that it? Pls state which u consider as unfair

accusations.

Regarding the screen shot from the old, destroyed forum.... Well it

certainly could be confusing, eh? We declared war on dc and said so in both forums. Bg

stared attacking us to defend dc (for "role play" reasons they say), we are not technically

at war with bg cause they dont declare it, but we were fighting them all the time anyway...

Then bg keeps saying we declared war, but we clearly havn't, cause we said so over and over

and over again on the swat forum.... It will give u a headache just thinkin about it, lol...

U know we have had this conversation before: bg tried the exact same thing (trying

to get us to declare war) last May before they got tired of it and declared war on us

anyway. Well op, we cant stop u from doing that agian... but i will stop u from saying we

delcared war on u when we clearly have not.

@ dragon: Yes i presume u do know

who the person is....

BTW this person is in your clan, isnt he?
BTW Trowa was

in your clan too, wasnt he?
BTW Wasnt trowa one of your top advisors? ...and
BTW

didnt he tell u that i "backstabbed" u a few days before the war started.... making sure u

would ally with bg against us?

...Well at least i can say i told trowa to go to hell

when he tried to manipulate me, lol... Remember people; whatever it was that he did, he

didnt exist in a vacuum.

Wavey: the person who is alledged to have destroyed the old

Chaos forum was not a Clan Leader... in fact he belonged to another clan, one currently at

war with Chaos.
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It's just sad when ppl

choose do those things.... I would hope that no one here would try to defend this persons

"right" to destroy a forum and betray his old clan m8's..... Or do u defend that, op (it

sounded like u were defending him earlier)?

Maybe u would like to have this guy as

your clan m8?

Well luckilly no major harm done, our new forum is even better in some

ways to the old one.

No one answered why Wavey (who is not an officer of bg as far

as i know) knew all the particulars about this, before we did even, apparently...... I can

only assume he learned of it during a council of war between the 2 allies dc and bg..... Or

perhaps we should call it a "Council of Role Play".