Posts by Jib

    I havnt been able to find my meds for three days now (stop LOOKING at me!) so this


    may not make much sense:


    [SIZE=3]CHAOS RE-DECLARES WAR ON BG CLAN![/SIZE]




    Starting now (234235:009 Rodez Central Time) Chaos Pirate Clan breaks the 2-week


    truce and attacks BG and anyone else we like!!!


    [SIZE=3]Calling All Chaos:[/SIZE]


    COME BACK ONLINE AND FIGHT IMMEDIATLY, U LAZY SODS!


    Lets all Kick some *ss out


    there! Die, Die u darn BG police ppl! MUHAHAHAHHAHA chaos will rule the server at last


    (......so will Chaos unless they come online and do something about it).


    LET THEM TRY


    > DIE > FRY and finally, *sigh*.


    PEACE DIDNT WORK AT ALL o_O :


    [SIZE=3]HEY


    EVERYONE, LETS GIVE WAR A CHANCE![/SIZE]

    @RJ: Should we


    sacrifice a lamb, or a bull? :D


    Seriously, i hope i see u all again sometime.


    Adios, Amigos

    There is alot of buzz about what OP's gonna do in


    2 days and how we should react accordingly. For those not yet informed, it seems we need to


    solve some issues to OP's satisfaction or the CF server is closing... permanently.




    I am not sure exactly what OP is asking of us but it seems that it has something to


    do with Chaos Clan and our openly stated plans to eventually leave the server. We had wanted


    to keep a Wing of the Clan here and create another wing on another mod/server. I had told OP


    that we would leave, prolly in about 3-4 months time. I really don't want to go into the


    reasons for this, but know its a decision that we didn't take lightly, and its not a result


    of the recent troubles either; although the R-39 episodes sort-of crystalized it and set the


    time-frame.


    What I am led to understand is that OP finds this unacceptable; that he


    believes that for the good of the server we should leave immediatly and entirely, or not at


    all. Well at the time I told OP our plans for the future, I understood that it wouldnt be an


    ideal situation for him, but I was determined not to lie or exaggerate anything just to


    mollify.... And that is still our position.


    I understand some of his objections and


    reasons for them; but allow me to answer them here. I dont want to make this discussion


    adversarial or confrontational... And as I told OP last week "Disagreeing on something is


    not a Deal-Killer".. Meaning we are not inflexable or intolerant of other's ideas, and are


    willing to look at this thing from all angles.


    > First Objection: That the remaining


    Wing of Chaos that stayed would recruit and siphon-off ppl from CF to our other server(s).


    I think that it is actually more likely that more new ppl would come to CF than would be


    "stolen" from it. So far, with Chaos or R-39.... That is actually the case: We have brought


    several (6 or 7) new ppl here inthe last 2 months that had not come or prolly would not have


    come except for Chaos (...or R-39 originally).


    I think the pragmatic view of all


    this is: FL is global community; not just the "tribal" community of the server. Like we at


    CF are a "village", one that is part of the greater "Province" (the Freelancer MP world).


    Ppl move from one village to another very commonly... or from one province to another (...


    to other MP games). But they come back to the ones they like and feel at home in... In this


    and many respects, it doesnt matter that we play Freelancer / CF Mod... Its the ppl and


    their interactions that count, the game is just the cosmetic framework that allows us to


    interact.... It just so happens that FL allows this better than most.


    I think that


    OP should have a little faith in his creation the CF mod, and the general good feeling ppl


    get from of the server to continue to draw a sufficient amount of new ppl; and to retain a


    decent percentage of them over time, making it their "home". After all; there are still many


    thousands of ppl playing FL online servers; way more than CF could ever hope to handle if


    they all decided to visit, lol...


    > Second, that if we go on as now, we are living a


    lie. Im not sure exactly but it has to do with us having faith in the community and wanting


    to promote it. Hmm.. I dont have any way to fully answer this: Imo it is too early to be


    asking us in Chaos to believe in the future of CF's community... All we have done is agree


    to "try"... And not hold a grudge from all the crap that happened before. We are ready to


    get back to normal. However; there is no way to "force" or "push" ppl into fully believing


    in the community. There were a lot of harsh feelings and it will simply take time to heal


    them all. To be frank, some Chaos ppl are not willing to do this at all and have left for


    other servers already. Thats their perogative and we wont try to stop them or change their


    mind, but they are a minority.


    Furthermore, I must state the obvious: That it is


    extremely hard to try and convince ourselves to have faith in the future of the community,


    when lurking in the back of our minds is the threat of the plug being pulled at any time. So


    that this part of the equation becomes a viscous circle: Have faith or OP pulls the plug /


    How can we have faith under threat of having the plug pulled.


    Maybe im just not


    getting it. I dont believe i have all the answers or am wiser than others. I just wanted to


    set the record straight. We don't want to see this community just close down, that seems a


    damn waste. But... Im not OP and i have not walked in his shoes. Perhaps he's tired of it


    all; needs to move on. I dunno... I wouldnt blame him if he did. But if this is the case it


    should be stated as such, and i think few would begrudge him that.


    We are willing to


    listen to all comments with an open mind; now is the time for us to discuss the issues.

    Geez wavey no more beer for u m8... u were just


    supposed to post the screenie and let it talk for itself,


    lol.


    Ok thx Dragon.


    I thought our talk yesterday was good and i believe it cleared up


    some important misconceptions on both sides. I hope u agree with my conclusions about


    that:


    > Chaos isnt trying to bring any invader clans here, nor do we want to destroy


    anything.


    > We didnt take offense that DC quit CSF. Chaos doesnt mind if DC allies


    with other clans in the future.


    > Despite what it looked like to us at the time, DC


    just wanted to take a merc job, not ally permanantly against us back in Sig19 three weeks


    ago.


    So as per our tenetive agreement and for the good of the server, Chaos proposes


    we should simply end the war between our two Clans.

    Quote

    Originally posted by Arvedui



    fortunately there are no pets in FL


    No but theres plenty of


    fighting like cats and dogs, tho :D

    Welcome to cf.




    We at Chaos would like to offer our hospitality to u guys: U are welcome to enter


    our system of Casius if you like and trade there; in anticipation of us being friends and


    possible allies in the CSF alliance in the future.


    But sure: Take ur time, look


    around, and decide later what u guys want to be and accomplish here. Feel free to ask us


    questions we are happy to help.


    The CSF - ASF thingie is a system of clan alliances


    for fighting weekend battles for fun. Atm the CSF consists of our Pirate clan Chaos, the ASF


    has the police clan BG (although it looks like 1 or 2 more mercenary clans may be joining


    asf soon).


    Jib CSF leader / Chaos Clan co-leader

    Dragon: Well obviously we disagree about the reasons for the war,


    kinda tired of stating our opinions over and over again so there's no need to i think atm.




    Yeah the cease fire day is up and i'm back from my biz trip but as far as we are


    concerned it may as well go on for now unless u want to start fighting agian, lol.... But


    sure we will talk some more.

    After discussions with


    the 3 clan leaders involved Fri. evening, Chaos agreed to a server-wide Cease Fire. Our


    pilots have been ordered not to have any offensive operations and fight only when clearly


    attacked first.


    In effect until Weds. 9-28 at the least, when i presume more talks


    will resume.

    Yes as Vlad was saying before the war there


    was no unpleasantness between our Clans. And after its over we hope there wont be again.




    Slayer, are u available for a meeting this evening at GM 0 1900 ? That would be 8 pm


    ur time im guessing. I hope we can do so.


    I hope Dragon and Wolf are available also


    for a meeting this evening.

    wavey.. twice in one say u call me a deceiver.... when just proved u absolutely wrong about


    the trowa affair (which u just seem to ignore). Your credibility is not looking very good


    atm.


    U suggested i act like a leader.... like yer leader perhaps? You c thats a prob


    with ppl like u, if some1 disagrees with u it seems "theres got to be something wrong with


    them" ... maybe cause otherwise if it did turn out they were right in something, u would


    have to do some painful re-examining.


    Now if ull excuse me its been fun but got some


    clan stuff to do...
    __________________________________________


    Dragon and


    Slayer


    I suggest we continue the tacit cease fire between Chaos, DC, and PiA until


    peace negotiations between our clans can happen, hopefully as soon as possible.

    Well we are a pretty independant bunch, lol... But we agree that it


    should be the case and will work for that end.


    As i mentioned to Slayer: there are


    alot of unfortunate things that happen in a clanwar... If ppl didnt get past them there


    would never be times of peace.

    @wtf wavey.... What is a matter with u? U forget the incident or something? J-H-C u are


    really tripping on this one.


    Lets get this very straight.. U are mad at me cause


    TROWA wanted to set me up.... Cause HE fooled U into believing he was a 14-year girl... I


    suspected "she" was some1 else (TOLD U THAT) , then a little later one of our ppl said it


    was him.. But i wisely kept quite until i knew WHY he did it, and WHO he was working for (if


    anyone)... I PUBLICLY said it on sys chat that angeleyes prolly wasnt who "she" claimed she


    was DO U REMEMBER THAT??


    How would i know then if u were in on the deception not!


    Huh? You said stuff to me sounding like u knew her DAD wavey... U SAID U KNEW HER DAD.....


    AND THAT HE WAS PROLLY GONNA KICK MY ASS, lol.... Are remembering now?


    Ok later after


    u denied it here in the forum i believed u when u said that u were not in on it (u appear to


    be sadly misguided, but not dishonest)... But please tell me HOW TF i was to know if u were


    part of the deception at the time???? Talking about "her" dad to me.... wtf wavey, why would


    u want to keep bringing this up, lol?.


    The only way i could find out if u were part


    of it either way was to see how the incident was handled.... so i waited until u posted


    about it.


    And Op may also remember that once in a MSN chat before that he brought up


    the incident and i did suggest that it was a fake....


    Dammit , maybe now u should


    produce those screenies to show that i did say "she" was a fake! I did not lie at any point


    here..... u got no right to AGAIN accuse me without the freakin' FACTS! Are u so damn sure


    that i am doing "something" wrong that u will jump at anything that comes along?




    Dont take things personally here wavey... this is a forum war, it may be the first u


    have seen... But believe me i didnt invent the rules for this "battle"; i learned from ur


    boss who a past-master at it, and they sure as hell aint Marquis of Queensbury lol.

    Dragon: Sure, as i have said that is


    our wish. We have already decided to stop offensive operations against both PiA and DC...


    Stay out of your systems, fight only when first attacked when in neutral space, and fight


    aggresively only when defending in Casius... That notice was posted on our forum immediatly


    after we saw PiA Darkstalker's post. So if DC or PiA guys dont come into Cas, it would


    effectly be a cease-fire already between us three independant clans.