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This can be a topic on why Freelancer is still up there and there are not enough games like it to replace it.
Top 20 best space games of 2020 (Freelancer makes it in it)
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Well, at least they bothered to take a look at the mods.
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Yeah ! Crossfire is mentioned first !
While X3, X Rebirth and now X4 with Split Vendetta DLC (which ends up having more solar systems than original Freelancer) are amazing and complex games, I dont know what else can feel similar to FL or Starlancer... without having the graphicst of a MSDOS game lol
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Mass Effect & Freelancer should be at the top though, you can order the rest as you like.
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Mass Effect should not be at the top because of the Mass Effect 3 ending.
Im still pissed.... and that in three different colors.
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Yeah, why do EA & Microsoft always destroy everything...
But I still enjoyed it though (at least with the Ending DLC that they released). I'd rather complain about the Loyalty missions of ME2 (they could have just made it into 1 Huge Mission rather than 12 for each) and the 'freerun' of ME3 was sh*t, it was like you were limping or something...
Edit: I almost forgot, do you know what was worse? When Pre-Ordering it back in 2012 and you expect to play it as soon as you received the DVD, well... when you put the DVD in (well, back when I had it though, now it's my HDD there and the SSD on the HDD place), anyway... when you put the DVD in and ready to install it, instead you get the:
"Install Origin so that you can download the game", I mean... WTF .... EA -
no, it hasn't, but it has a lot of other issues
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Yep... those things discouraged me to play Andromeda in the past and I still haven't.
Not only that you start off as a normal guy (no N7 soldier), but you can only get the N7 armor from your father who's an actual N7 and even if you do decide to use the N7 armor, you're not an N7 soldier yourself... and the N7 is what makes Mass Effect.
I'm perfectly fine starting off from the bottom to reach the top (which is the best storyline, just look at Dragon Age 2 -> Nobody / Rich guy / Champion / Legend), but there's no N7 Academy, no one else to validate your success... I mean, nah.
What we all want from BioWare is -> Trilogy Remake. (yes, Remake NOT Remaster -> we have mods for that like ALOT, but new game engine, new mechanics / combat, new... everything).
I still have Andromeda (with the latest updates/patches/DLCs...), but still not in the mood for it, I don't know.
I mean, as a game it looks really nice (except the funny glitches), but it doesn't feel like Mass Effect, that's just my personal opinion. -
I dont mind the n7 stuff actually.
The guy is the pathfinder and yeah ok... good.
I liked some concepts of Andromeda such as building bases... however... I would have wanted more of that.
I liked the Krogan colony.... giving the Krogans the chance they deserve.
I liked the search for the other ships.
I liked the focus on the open world maps.
I dont like that today I can not even tell you which companions were in the game.
I dont like the enemy faction because almost no information was available and generally these guys looked very generic.
I dont like the player ship.
I dont like the tech problems that this game suffers from. Even after the patches the game had quests which simply broke.
I dont like how limited the number of factions and races were. A whole new galaxy and all you get were 2 new races (while at the same time established mass effect races did not return).
I did not really like both of the player characters. They both looked generic and had no real personality. The father on the other hand was exactly what I would have wanted as a character choice.
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I dont mind the n7 stuff actually.
The guy is the pathfinder and yeah ok... good.
I do, very much... hahaha. Even being a pathfinder, you can still be an N7 Elite Super-Soldier like Commander Shepard.
The father on the other hand was exactly what I would have wanted as a character choice.
Agreed, 100%.
While I also agree on all other points that you've made, maybe the downside of Andromeda was that Casey Hudson left BioWare prior to that, but now since he's back, maybe he can restore the fame and success of Mass Effect.
I also noticed that with each new year, quality goes down the sink because everyone thinks only about one thing -> profit. As much profit it can bring, the better for them, which is understandable, but quality must be first, not profit. Same with each new software, the newer software, the more glitches it'll most likely have until it gets fixed later on, because they are in a rush to make the big cash; Cash is king. -
I do, very much... hahaha. Even being a pathfinder, you can still be an N7 Elite Super-Soldier like Commander Shepard.
no i actually dont think that this is possible
The whole Andromeda expedition was purely civilian. It never had the support of the military. Therefore you wouldnt find a N7 there.
The only reason why Ryders father had a N7 uniform was because he once was an N7 but was discharged dishonorably due to his AI research. He just kept the armor eventhough he was no N7 anymore.
You mean the same Casey Hudson who was in charge of the Anthem debacle? Yeah, no... it wouldnt have made a difference.
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no i actually dont think that this is possible
The whole Andromeda expedition was purely civilian. It never had the support of the military. Therefore you wouldnt find a N7 there.
You don't find that ridiculous? You go to a whole new galaxy, who knows what you'll encounter there and yet, no military support? The reason that they launched the Andromeda Initiative was in case Commander Shepard fails to save everybody, so that they can all get a second chance in another place, but... no military escort? I don't know man, but whoever wrote that script, was an i.... (pardon the word).
As for Casey Hudson, he was never in charge of Anthem, at least according to the official data. According to the official information, Anthem was directed by "Jon Warner", though one of the writers is "Drew Karpyshyn" who was also the writer of Mass Effect, but Casey Hudson is nowhere in the official information regarding Anthem, he only worked on Mass Effect (and prior to Mass Effect, on Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic). Now, there is no reason why he couldn't also have helped the Anthem project, but why isn't he listed then?
Also, the N7 Academy should have had more N7 soldiers, because besides the obvious (Shepard), Ryder, Anderson, Kai Leng and a few more, that's just it. Isn't the N7 Program supposed to be like a Spartan Training? Why only so few soldiers? Doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I know... it's the toughest program there is (when you begin from N1 to N7), but still... there should have been more. Like, I don't want to put in numbers, but if the official Alliance Military is around a few million active personnel (considering only China has 2 million active military personnel and the Alliance being a coalition of the most powerful nations of Earth, USA, Russia, China, Europe etc.), then shouldn't the N7 have around at least a few thousand Elite Super-Soldiers? Each commanding squadrons/legions of regular soldiers, considering the fact that it's a Super-Soldier Program, shouldn't they invest as much resources as possible like they are doing now, trying to develop a Super-Soldier Program? Why only a bunch of graduates? Doesn't make any sense.
And that's why Andromeda was a failure, because the 'spirit' of Mass Effect was totally lost. Why jump a whole 600 years ahead into the future, why waste so many resources (Andromeda Initiative) and not help push the Reapers away? Why ME4 didn't start like... 30 or so years after the events, so they can start rebuilding everything, rather than travel to a whole new place, with no Citadel Council (yeah I know, Andromeda has its own), no N7 Academy, no everything else, ESPECIALLY the N7, because N7 IS Mass Effect. When you remove the N7 element, then it becomes like a normal MMORPG space game, it'll be the same as to remove the Spartan element from the Halo franchise, or the Lightsabers from Star Wars.
Don't mind the technical issues (the funny glitches), Andromeda was a failure because the original Mass Effect atmosphere was... lost. Speaking of which, I miss the "overheating" from Mass Effect 1 instead of the ammo that they put in ME2 - MEA.
PS: Final edit before I forget and go off, why did the Reapers targeted only the Milky Way? Why not the other galaxies? If they were able to reach Andromeda, considering that the Reapers are even way more advanced than all of the other races put together, why are the rest of the galaxies intact? And why were the Leviathan hiding like p*ssies (and no, forget the details of the Leviathan DLC)? And how come the Council was always so dumb/in the dark about the Reapers? The people on the highest positions always know more than the rest and destroy any evidence that threatens them (one example is like today with the Vatican and Smithsonian, among others).
Also, considering that only the Alliance should have millions of active military personnel with Super-Soldiers and the Turians being the biggest and strongest military (according to general public of the Mass Effect universe), only these two should be able to take out at least half of the Reapers, especially if they also have the support of the Krogan (being walking tanks), so what was that 'special' Reaper armor/alloy that prevented so much damage from the shots being fired on them? No matter how tough you are, the Reapers as far as I remember are like what, a few hundred or even a few thousand against MILLIONS? Yeah... good luck.
I know, I know, that the fleets of the races are not millions in number (only the troops), but their fleets are still more than the Reapers, but yet... they were about to lose if it wasn't for that miracle ending? Yeeaaaah.
I think the ending was like that because the Mass Effect Trilogy has a lot of biblical ideology in it, Shepard being YAHshua/Yeshua (Jesus), the 12 squad mates being the 12 apostles, Legion, Leviathan (a cherub or seraph class heavenly being), Project Lazarus -> Shepard (also YAHshua is called 'The Good Shepard') dying and resurrecting, Sovereign (Supreme Authority/Ruler reference to the Most High), Harbinger (Isaiah 40:3-5), the Reapers representing the End of Days when all evil is destroyed, and more that I can't think of right now and you wonder why they ended it like that?
Andromeda was a way for BioWare to start anew, but it didn't work because the script was WAY off, lacking common sense whatsoever.
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I think the characters make a huge difference on how you like a game.
e.g. Metro Exodus was not much better than the default shooter... but the characters and the story telling based on them made this game special.
Mass Effect 1-3 were also special because of the characters.
Nobody will forget Mordin Solus or Tali, Wrex etc.
Special characters make a game more likable.
ILIYAN
If today the announcement was done that in 1 year a catastrophy whipes out Earth. What would you focus on? Maybe Putting all resources into building Arks in order to save as many people as possible or on military ships?
Also worth to mention is that the fleet that was sent there was not defenseless. Many ex-militaries were hired, even a spectre was part of the crew of one ark.
It just was no official military operation and no military structure. The backbone on the certainly intended military part were the Krogans. The Krogans did not contribute much to the construction of the arks, they did not even have the resources to contribute but still they were invited to come with the other races. They were supposed to do the fighting stuff.
And if you fly into unknown territory you certainly also would not want to show up with battleships. That leaves a bad impression if you encounter other species that by default are no threat.
From my point of view the operation itself was as good as you can make it considering you dont know what to expect. It was a risk... but also the only chance.
I also dont see it that problematic that it was a civilian operation without official support. Thats nothing new in Mass Effect. Cerberus also operated that way and most certainly the different big companies of the different species contributed.
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I think you guys texted over that game more time than any of us played it lol
Don't be so sure about that.
Display MoreI think the characters make a huge difference on how you like a game.
e.g. Metro Exodus was not much better than the default shooter... but the characters and the story telling based on them made this game special.
Mass Effect 1-3 were also special because of the characters.
Nobody will forget Mordin Solus or Tali, Wrex etc.
Special characters make a game more likable.
Word. It was exactly the characters that drew me in so much into Mass Effect and that's why it remains my top favorite game of all time.I guess you make a good point, but good or bad impression... I'd still go with a Battleship.
And Cerberus was really cool, until Jack Harper (Illusive Man) turned evil. ;s
ILIYAN
If today the announcement was done that in 1 year a catastrophy whipes out Earth. What would you focus on? Maybe Putting all resources into building Arks in order to save as many people as possible or on military ships?
That was just it... they didn't leave the option for having more time, they forced the "no time now, save yourselves". If the Citadel Council wasn't so dumb as they made it to be, i.e. always in the dark considering that they should know more than the rest because of the high position power, but always knew instead... they would have prepared.
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a battleship wouldn't have made a difference. Even a group of bs wouldn't.
The way I see it you either end in a territory with friendly aliens and your battleships might be misinterpreted an invasion force or you end in hostile territory and get your ass beaten unless you bring a giant fleet into battle. But military ships were needed for the primary fight against the reapers. So this was never an option.
In the end bringing battleships would most likely end in the same way how humans first met the turians.
BTW Casey Hudson returned to Bioware because of Anthem... all Info about that in the kotaku article I linked about one year ago.
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True, but at least you would have something to defend yourself with. After all, you're going into an unknown territory uninvited and generally people don't like uninvited guests, so who cares how they might see you... it's be better if they see you as a force rather than a vulnerability / weakness; besides, you're not going there with a whole army (fleet).
I'm a person who's not striking first, but able to defend himself if attacked. The same should apply to those who are going into that unknown territory, if they are attacked, they should be able to defend themselves.
Hmmm... then why didn't they list Casey Hudson as being a part of the developing team of Anthem, strange...
Regardless, let's hope for a Mass Effect 5 soon.
