R-39 warning

ok my appologies to any offense to R-39 and happy for the merger of chaos and R-39 good

addition to CSF. if ui have casued any problems within the alliance im sorry for that.

Jib i only told DC to stay out of CSf fights coz of something im being told i will find the

truth in that. i want no hard feelings to come between us but until i have further proof

that there is no actual war between chaso and R-39 DC will stay out of all CSf ASf fights

till further notcie if anyone has any information for this action please tell me on msn or

send email to dragonslayer6522001@yahoo.com thanks

Dragon, thx for the

comments. I can tell u here, publicly, that there are no (...and never were any) plans for

Chaos or "Chaos/R39" to attack DC.. And the probs between R39 and DC seem to all be sorted

now, thankfully.

I think some loud-mouthed comments made in anger leaked from the

Chaos forum could have been taken out of context here.... Like allot to forums, they can act

as steam valves but the whistle is worse than the bite, lol. Actions are what matter not a

few flame spams.

U have my word that the long history of friendship between our

Clans will continue as long as u wish it to, m8.

As for the CSF, we hope that u

allow ur guys to participate... we all get good pvp training and the battles are fun.

If u still have an issue with it or with my neutrality, allow me to offer to step

down as CSF leader : If that's what it takes to get DC fully engaged in the CSF then Wolf

can take over until the next election for leader in October (he and i could switch

positions).

well ive seen this announcement yesterday and was not sure if i should post it

i

came to conclusion that i have no other option than to do it coz its my duty as

serveradmin

seeing that chaos and r-39 merged i have to tell you that this is not

possible under these conditions and not accepted

like announced r-39 will be like a

wing in chaos... fine but then they will have to wear only chaos tags coz if not they would

violate the serverrules.

The way i see it is that this merger is just to find a

way to find a permission for r-39 to fight at ASF/CSF battles (which wouldnt be allowed if

they wouldnt belong to a serverclan). Its a try to find a way around the ASF/CSF

battlerules... and it is a violation of the serverrules.

Maybe BG should just tell

some of our allied clans to come to CF and join BG ... then they will get a wing and play at

those events... would you like that?
no? then dont try to do this shit with us and

respect the rules next time

[SIZE=3]YOU WILL NOT[/SIZE]

tell our clans what we can do,

who we can merge with.... u can change the rules to suit u, ban us all (if u are that

incredibly WEAK), but we will merge our clans if we feel like it and there aint a goddamn

thing u can do about it. Yeah: That's a challenge.

Are the 5 or so ppl of R-39

such a threat to the BG? If so bring on the other ppl from off- server..... but understand

that's a very bad precedent.... Just like the precedent of having 3 non-tagged freelancers

fight for the BG in sunday's fights.... U seemed to have no problem with that.

Ok,

since the rules are changing like a kaleidoscope around here whenever the bg's "supremecy"

is challenged even a bit.... Pls tell us all exactly what the R-39 would need to do to fight

in CSF battles.

Jib for president

ok, i'm just

tryin' to lighten the mood

but really, op, you can't tell us we can't merge

with them
you think we are because R-39 just want to play in the CSF/ASF battles, but you

have no proof of that. And anyways if there was proof, what's wrong with it? It's almost

the same as asking for an escort, but on a much larger scale. I'm asking for an escort, i

don't have to change my clantags. That's all crap, and you know it is. Who cares if we

have people in our clan that only joined for the CSF/ASF battles, anyways? So what, I joined

chaos because i wanted to be a pirate. But the only reason i joined is 'cause i wanna' be

a pirate. Are you gonna' ban me for doing that? It's the EXACT same thing, with just

different reasons. I'm pretty sure it says NOWHERE in the serverrules that you can't join

a clan just for the csf/asf battles.

And that's only if that WAS the reason they

joined as a wing of chaos, which it isn't. They joined as a wing of chaos because they want

to fight with us as allies. Maybe it's because they just don't like BG and joined us

'cause BG and Chaos are enemies.

Bottom line, op is definately wrong on this

one.

Maybe about the clantags, that makes some sense there, but nothing

else

: )

1. they are no threat to us... we fought them and we killed

them... we know who they are... finito

2. the rules didnt change... that are the same

rules we always had... ask around... ask the DCs... ask the freelancers

3. i wont

tolerate that ppl break serverrules... you as serverpolice shouldnt do the same

4.

yes we had 3 freelancers on our side... they fought for us... and jib it was under the

condition of a clanwar and not as an ASF/CSF battle
ive told you that there are no such

events on sunday until the situation is sorted... so they had every right to attend those

fights... they have taken sides coz they think that you act damn weird lately
i offered

to talk to you several times yesterday and i thought that we have sorted it out... so dont

start with this again plz

5. and you know the answer to ur question... they have to

be a serverclan... it was this way from the first hour of the CSF and it is still this

way... nothing will change that

U may know who two of the

R-39 are, because of a spy u recently had in the DC ... oh yeah we knew all about it, and

fed him a load of horse-hockey disinformation, LOL. Deny if u like but we got proof who he

was/is (....a person without any honor; to lie and spy IN A GAME).

But u dont know

exactly who the rest of R-39 are. Unless u are reading chat logs....?

The definition

of "serverclan" is of course the key here...

Apparently what ever u want it to be at

the time. Recently the [HUN]ters joined the CSF. Are they a "serverclan" under this

definition? The n0x are considering joining as well; can they? Just what is the definition

then?

These ppl who helped BG yesterday think im acting weird... Hmm never talked to

them before yesterday so i am surprised they have any reference.... For all they know i'm

"weird" like this all the time lol.... That one is a pure load of crap. When i dont spew the

party line, and instead look to my Clan's interests im being "weird" i guess.

So

are u telling us:

A) .... The R-39 gotta wear Chaos tags to fight in CSF battles?

B) ...Or that they cant merge at all with Chaos and still use their own tags?
C)

.... Or are u suggesting that they are "outlaws" breaking server rules just cause they

exist?

I recommend u THINK ABOUT YOUR REPLY. Cause your answer just may well be

unacceptable to us and many others, and from there it's a very dangerous road for us all.

what is a serverclan

actually?

someone who pays rent for a system or someone who is voted into the asf and

csf?

trowa i think he meant you when he was talking about a spy in DC

well jib im not

sure where you get ur awesome information from but trowa was no spy... the DCs knew who he

is... and trowa for sure wouldnt do that
and if you say now that we had another guy in DC

then maybe you should know that dragon (leader of DC) and is a good friend... and there are

not many secrets between DC and BG.. well nvm
i also could say something now about you

having BG tactics... but i think thats not worth it... most ppl know that

anyways

like trowa said... the serverclans are paying for the server
and about

those [HUN] or nox
ive never seen them attending any battles... i didnt even know that

some1 decided to let them join the CSF coz i stayed away from that page (like i have told

you)
and nobody informed me on this fact even if would have been useful coz if one clan

joins the ASF or the CSF then the pages needs to be updated
the definition of a

serverclan was clear all the time... the serverclans are even listed on the serverpage

No i was not refering to Trowa.... He was openly in DC as most

everyone knew.

but what you aren't really answering is why exactly you aren't

letting them into chaos...

is it 'cause of their clantags? no, it can't be that. is

it 'cause they are breaking rules that don't exist?

i'll bet that's

it!

maybe he's just scared we'll overpower them... cause of FIVE DAMN PEOPLE! no,

ops not a scardy cat... if there's one think i've learned, it's that

so, why

is it exactly you aren't letting them in

btw, i have nothing against op,

except for this... i still think he's a great modder and person, i just disagree with

this

then jib tell me which BG was this spy... and which DC name he did use... say it here

.... where everybody can read it

let the DCs judge then

and deliverance

ive said exactly what the problem is... im not going to explain it over and over again coz i

dont think its worth the time

Edit:
and those stupid comments that we fear

that we will loose now and such a shit
60-70% of the players on the server are pirates...

and even the freelancers fight against BG
in fact we have more fights than anybody else

on the server and in fact we win those fights
in the ASF/CSF fights you have way more

players on ur side... and all the time you have less work defending systems and protect

others
and still BG won most of the events... and even with the support of those r-39

guys last weekend on ur side BG won 4 of 4 fights without a problem

ASF that means

BG
CSF that means (well the way you see it) Chaos, DC, HUN, n0x, r-39 ...... who else...

dont you want to get another 20 clans to have a better chance to win?

so dont tell

such a shit about that we worry about something, that we are weak or that something is

unfair for you

ur quoting serverrules? damn thats my job

I wont tell u anymore about the spy, theres no need to cause those

who know u well know its one of ur favorite tactics. We'll just let u wonder how we knew

about this one...

Wavey: Oh now we are lawless criminals huh? Not obeying the

rules.... Ones that were created here as we speak. ROFL.

@ OP: Look in the "Time to

Get the ASF/CSF Going Again" thread, where i welcomed the HUNter clan to CSF. they were

voted in by the other clans of CSF (Chaos and DC), which was the custom... As we did for

Sliders, Shadows, and Ice Pirates in the past. I did update the Clan listings in CSF

forum.

About the numbers.... BG are primarily Euros... on earlier than we are. EVERY

saturday.. look and u will see 6, 7, 8 BG on and only a few CSF ppl. Now 3 hours later, no

BG at all are on (or maybe one nervous newbie in Cust, lol) and a ton of Chaos and DC..

thats just the time differance. A huge disparity in numbers IS NOT a problem in these

battles... If it EVER did become one, we would do as i know the BG have had to do in the

past when they had too many: Hold ppl out of the fight to keep it fairly even.

We

dont want trouble... But we are not liking u telling us how to run our Clan: AGAIN!! It is

unacceptable to us; as it sure as hell would be to BG if some1 tried to tell them

anything.

U must have known we wouldnt stand for that... So who is the one looking

for trouble??? "The Art of War" indeed.

I find these events most disturbing. I was a newbie when the Chaos-BG

war was on ( I even remember being thick enough to march into the fight once for the hell of

it ), and the repetition of history is most unsettling.

I agree with Wavey on one

point. If these people have joined Chaos, it is common sense that they should wear the Chaos

tag. Hypothetically speaking, it is not unlike Samoa becoming the 51st state in the US, and

refusing to fly the American flag.

I do not wish to make a moron of myself by

speaking on matters which I can not comprehend to well at this late hour, so I will sign

off, hoping that this is a bad dream.

well jonesy since this shit started i hope that

this is just a bad dream but then i notice that im not sleeping

Jib... i gave you

the chance to prove that ur accusations are true... but you were not able to name that

spy.... and the only reason for this is that such a spy never existed

its not

important what you did in the past with other clans... that just means that you ignored

those rules with those other clans too

and like you said.. not many BG online and

many chaos and DC and still we win
and those BGs are not online at those times coz they

all come from europe (which is not the case).... they are online coz we decided to be online

at these times
if we need to be online more then we will be online more... but this

doesnt change facts... those facts that i named earlier
to find excuses about time zones

and such a shit... well as you will remember ... we always waited for the CSF to do the

first attacks... we didnt attack when you guys were not ready for it
and when you started

your attack last saturday and there were only 4 BGs online while you had 1 or 2 Chaos, 5 DCs

and one r-39 we did what we had to do... we fought you and you guys didnt even reach

custodian
you cant blame us that we called other BGs to the server then
but again this

doesnt change the facts that you have way more pirates... more clans ... and you still want

to tell us that we treat you unfair

i was leading those fights last weekend... i dont

know about the 3rd fight coz i wasnt online but i know about the others
the first fight

was the hardest coz at the beginning we had only a few BG
the 2nd fight was over in 2 or

3mins... and not all BGs fought there... they decided to stay out to make it fair
the

4th... well it was a pure lag fight not worth to comment it

and jib the same way you

dont like that some1 tells you how to lead chaos i dont like to be called cheater just

because you dont know everything about FL or because its not in ur copy of the

BG-tactics
i also dont like to be called liar and this shit about spies (which is not

true)

all i expect is that every clan goes by the rules... the rules of ASF/CSF and

the rules of the server

oh and maybe you should read "The art of war" and try to

understand it... especially what is written about war generally... peace and spies

If R39 wants to merge with Chaos, they should wear the Chaos clantag.

Failing in doing this is an abuse of the serverrules (clans should wear their tag).
There

is no objection that [R39]_Something changes his nick to [Chaos]_Something_R39 or something

like this, if they use the Chaos tag then there is nothing against them for merging with

Chaos.

Same thing happened in the past with a clan which merged with the Bloodguard -

FF. You can see it still at Corran's chars: BG_Corran_FF . If those ronin wants to make

clear that they are ronin, then they can express it in their name, but as long as they are a

part of Chaos, they should wear the clantag.