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    Hi mates,



    something to events, here especially to the TDM-EVENT on monday evening.


    Lucy is doing great. That event could be the best happening during the week on freelancer crossfire.


    BUT:


    I have a problem having fun there now. One reason might be, that I am not an experienced fighter. But you all know how it works. You only improve, if you try and try and try. Events in general are a great opportunity.


    Rookies and people who maybe never learn how to fly a fighter (like me), and I am trying pvp since May 2004, are looking for opponents who have the same grade of skills. FUN is what keeps events alive. Thought about it, how people feel, ending up with 1/17 or 2/14 or 5/29?


    Some people who MUST WIN whatever the cost are looking for victims like me to reach a rate of 20/2 or something like that..... They think they are great. Are they? They might be good pilots, but do they know something about honor and fairness?
    They should try to watch the scene from another perspective.


    I don't envy people who do that unbelievable rates.... I look up to people who reach 2/1 or 4/3 or even 1/2 or 2/3. You know what I mean? People who just ignore new and unready pilots and search an opponent with even skills.


    There have been some pilots in the last event, and I had several chances to improve my rate. But you cannot become satisfied, when your targets or yourself are shot from elite fighters and you end up with something like 2/14.


    I take that personally, when that doesn't change. And elite pilots who go on eliminating me six times in a row, I put on my personal "don't like anymore list".



    That's what I wanted to say. I would be happy, when there are some people aout there to discuss that matter.


    Bye
    Bel

    I offer myself for unskilled pilots to train - i am one of the people who has the worst kills/death stats ever on CF (seeing on my time playing ;) )


    So Bel next time look at me when you need someone for a balanced figth. And i am serious. Maybe I can learn something from you too...

    Valid point, Bel. Of course i'm guilty of going after weaker pilots too, but i try to do it not all the time. (Oh, well, guess i just tried to impy that i'm a good pilot, muhahahaha...)


    I used to mention that it sucks to bang on the weaker pilots all the time and will do so again.

    Hi Huor,


    did you have a nice birthday? Well, thanks for offering that opportunity. It's nice to meet someone with equal skills. There are some more players out there, who match our skills, too. And I don't like it when very skilled pilots do their jokes on behalf of the not so skilled. RexNebular begged me to return to the next event, because he fears to be alone out there, everybody looking for to shooting on him, when you know what I mean.


    But must we really have a parallel event - kind of a second division - with pilots who cannot match the flying skills like Spiky or Kermit or Apocalypse, for not losing the fun in flying?


    To my mind, the topic is another. It is nice to fight with comrades. That's what events are all about.... And I love them. I don't have problems ending up with 4/13, when I have the feeling, that this is a mirror to my skills. But when you are more or less constantly attacked by pilots who play in another league, you cannot learn anything. You only can launch a hundred times....


    There are pilots out there who are very good. And their rates are low. They are not less good than other elite pilots. They are just playing fair und live their honour to search equal skilled opponents and let less skilled pilots fly, because they won't do them harm anyway......


    I have no problems, fighting a really good pilot in an event. But it must not be constantly, otherwise, new pilots maybe won't join in the "fun" anymore..... and then the all the rest can have their three-person-teams.



    Bye mate
    Bel

    hmm looks like times change
    when I was fighting in such events I teamed up with the weaker players to eliminate the strong ones first and have an easy going then ^^

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    Originally posted by Belphegor
    with pilots who cannot match the flying skills like Apocalypse, for not losing the fun in flying?

    Do you mean me? :D

    Well I get your point but I'll try to explain it from my personal point of view.


    Personally I'd rather fight people like Crysis, Jack, Kermit, Picard, Archon ... those people give me the kick I need, adrenaline. Don't start thinking that I just go after pilots who are not in my same PvP categorie because I enjoy it... after all this is a TDM, you know the drill, you came and you knew that a lot of people would go after you to increase the kill count of the Team... this is TDM after all yes everyone tries to have fun, and lets be honest its in humans nature willing to win, even if its deep inside but in the end everyone is content if he wins... thats one reason why I go after you in events (same as ASF/CSF)


    Then I'd like to remind you that you and Rexnebular kept attacking me in the event... I know I couldve just ignored you and fly around and fight other people but now we come to the part where I have to say - missiles sucked, people jumped around, even with subtarget it was hard to hit people - so that pissed me off and I continued fighting you


    Anyway lets be real even if you were in the team with the best fighters you would always be a first target... because the strong ones know they can beat you fast, the others because they know they could rather beat you than the strong ones .... so meh no pain no gain, you join TDM or you don't



    Fleet Captain Spiky / WL

    In a TDM you can test the skill you already gained.


    Most of us wasn´t good fighters when we entered the Server - i just would like to ecourage you to train and ask for tips. Train with this tips again and follow them - you will see that you can push your skill within two weeks of work to a point where fragging you isn´t that easy anymore.


    Don´t give up ;)


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    From my point of view, I am going after those who are attacking me from behind, if nobody is doing it, I am searching for someone tuff ... if the event is almost finished , I am searching at least for some that I can reach our Team Frags a bit , only when the event is almost finished.^^

    Ok, I agree with everything everyone has said and I also disagree with everything everyone has said. First and foremost: it's a game and if you're getting frustrated with it, take a step back and come back later with a fresh look. There are always going to be somebody better. stronger, smarter, faster and that's just the way it is.


    Bel, we got picked on as the weaker players. That, as was stated, is a valid tactic in team play of any kind. Spiky said we also targeted him a lot...also a valid tactic in team play (take out the big guy first). What we should have done was teamed up and BOTH of us target him (2 little guys against one big guy is more than fair). Maybe we'll try that next Monday ;)


    Also, this is the internet. That means if you and I, as equal skill players, were to match up, you would have the advantage. You are A LOT closer to the server than me and likely have a 50ms pingtime compared to my 150. That one tenth of a second does make a difference in online gaming. And with all of us in Arena, the server load was probably quite high. If you thought there was a lot of jumping around with your 40-50ms pings, you should have seen my screen here in Canada. You guys were TELEPORTING to me. I'd line up somebody to shoot and they would disappear right off my screen.


    And lastly, I tend to look at things differently than most. I got shot at, missled, blown up and bits of me scattered about the Arena system. And still flew away with millions of credits (thanks Lucy!). As far as I am concerned, we did win. Second place is still a silver medal. 8)

    Hi Spiky,


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    this is TDM after all yes everyone tries to have fun, and lets be honest its in humans nature willing to win, even if its deep inside but in the end everyone is content if he wins... thats one reason why I go after you in events (same as ASF/CSF)


    Hi mate, how could you know that it was you I meant? :D


    Well. I see your point, too. I cannot talk for RexNebular, but I for myself tried to pick several targets. I tried everyone once, maybe to measure how good they are, and I couldn't beat you and Marauder and Shockwave at all.


    But the other reason is, I didn't want to go after Mellon all the time - because I know that it's frustrating, when somebody is constantly behind you and I realized to late, that the late BG Pilot would have been a good opponent for me.


    By the way, Mellon didn't give me the satisfaction I needed, because he managed to kill himself with his own missiles all the time when I nearly had him down .... ;(


    The reason why I picked you as a target later was, that I had the feeling you were after me all the time and so I didn't want to draw more attention from other pilots as well....


    I don't want to win whatever the cost. But I don't want to be one of the poor guys, who have six or seven times more death than good shots..... and all the laughs goes on me....


    When it's this frustrating like the last two tdm's , I guess I will stay away from that event for some time........




    @OP_R8R :
    Well I hope we see you back in space, when 1.8 is released. Would be a pleasure. By the way: The tdm-event has nothing to do with the good old events, when you were "out" when shot.
    It was not so frustrating, when you lost a fight then and looked at the rest.
    On the other hand you can learn more, doing the relaunch again and again. I love the idea of tdm. But - like Lucy said - it's the way it is and nothing can change that, I fear....


    Bye
    Bel

    Hi Rex Nebular,



    Thanks for your post. I'll try hard to see it your way. Have a good time.


    Bel


    But you must say as well... when it comes to find the teams.... it's a bad thing when the team captains know it would be better to fight with four mates than with six, because the last two are losing the event.....

    Well, of course we could do something about it. Like allowing Spiky to take part in TDM only in, say, a Dagger.
    Now there's an idea ;)


    Btw, looking back a couple of pages on the TDM results thread is quite interesting, you can follow players starting with frags of 3/27 and the likes and a couple of weeks later they have 8/13.


    Edit: Bel, you should change your sig :)

    Ok, from my point of view-
    1. If you came to Arena to the event- TDM, Top Gun- you called that you ready for fight.
    2. In other case, you could stay away from PvP or event and watch after skilled pilots- their movements, and some hidden tricks. (Believe me, from side you could see some tricks, which you never see in fight).
    3. Every skilled pilot could say- "I was a new too and has a limited skills in piloting. BUT- you all have a reason - everyone could be a winner with a excellent frag ratio like 20/4, when he fragging new player.
    4. FUN, ENJOY- we all playing for it, not for frags, money or prizes. Personnaly me don`t feel a satisfaction, when I kill rookie in Grand Melee. It`s a kinda of "self-fake" :) I know that I`m not so good than others, but I fighting vs skilled pilots, who could learn me in fight. And I have to say "big thanks" to them.
    5. Better be last in "best of the best" list, than first in loosers. Don`t give up and keep training with the best.
    P.S. Huor is good opponent for you, Bel. Take his lessons well.

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    Bel,


    You have my sympathies, though I have very rarely taken part in TDM I have been in a good few ASF/CSF combats where things are very similar. When I started these, the ASF was usually out numbered which only made the situation worse. There where times when all I did was launch, get the incoming missile tone continuosly, evade and blow up, repeat until total disheartened.


    Not much can really be done about this though. Part of the solution is having the team organised, as a team event it is up to the stronger pilots on you side to protect the weaker ones by engaging the dangerous pilots on the other team.


    I think that your post here will do as much to help the situation as anything by drawing attention to this situation. It is down to each player to be aware of this and act accordingly. CF is all about fun, not just your own but everyones. If there is an opponent you can destroy in seconds, well you may find that fun but they certainly will not.

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    Originally posted by Belphegor
    But you must say as well... when it comes to find the teams.... it's a bad thing when the team captains know it would be better to fight with four mates than with six, because the last two are losing the event.....


    Bel, imagine in your mind that we were just watching instead of playing, or were not there at all. Are you imagining? :) Good. There would, in the end, still be a winning team and a not-so-winning team. True that we had the other outnumbered but that gives them more targets to shoot at (especially if some of the players are weaker or are far distance from the server). Remember, I was the last one picked and if you noticed, I was the one who was "given away". The other team knew I would be a liability and didn't even want me on their team. They were not concerned with fairness, fun and good playing like us, only the numbers matter with some. Lucy should have enforced equal teams and, hopefully, this will be addressed in future TDM's. (it's ok Lucy, all is forgiven :) )


    If anyone should be a bit P.O'd with the situation, it should actually be me. But guess what? I'll still continue to take part in the TDM's and hopefully other events because I really don't give a rat's butt if I win or lose. A wise person once said:


    "The good thing about being at the bottom is...the only way left to go is up!"

    Hi Rex Nebular,


    I'd lift my hat (if I had one) and bow in awe to you according to the wisdom in that statement, mate. You are really the cool guy, space adventurer. I'd be glad to join in your team. :)


    Bye
    Bel

    lol true I didn't think about that Rex, we were 4vs4 at start and you were left so I told Lucy to invite you... my first thought was that it would be more fair since Marauders team didn't consist of ... newbies ( sorry for the term but I couldn't come up with something "politically correct" atm)


    personally im all about fairness, there were times I'd pick only the weakest once (can check the teams in the Grand Melee thread for that) ... other times I pick the strong ones first - because theres no sence in having a team where only 1-2 guys are good enough to beat the strong ones either... so picking team members can be very tricky ... but when Crysis is in the opposite team he will most likely engage me (I would for sure :D) .. or picard or jack or whover... I'd always go for the strong ones ... but when I notice that the one im attacking is not targetting me I stop shooting at him and look for another opponent because its boring firing missiles at someone and hoping that they hit


    anyway all I want to say is that picking members is not an easy task for the team leaders (at least not for me because I want to keep it fair)


    a solution would be for Lucy to arrange the teams and I would gladly be of help since I can estimate everyones skill and who they can beat (yep I can do that sue me)



    Fleet Captain Spiky / WL

    Well equal teams were not possible, because Spiky cannot be in both afaik. Also your team was much stronger than results show, just some people underperformed + one of your best fighters had connection problems and was substituted.


    About ethics - you have a choice between 2 evils in TDM.
    1. Let your team down by not doing the best move which is paying extra attention to people who are more likely to die.
    2. Be "honorless''.


    I have to disagree with those who say - train with the best, do not give up, you will improve etc. I think it is only true if a person really loves pvp and it is his goal to become one of the best himself ( most commonly a teen without gf who wants to prove his worth in this world :D). However most people do not have that intention.


    So I would suggest that you try to be in a more noob friendly (sorry for saying that :))environment, I would even organize a TDM for your skill level, unfortunately my connection is not so good to make any promises. But I would gladly help with some credits for prizes if someone else did it.