New York System

WB Wavey

(Edited due to mistaken meanings and I think this version is better.. sorry for any misgivings as none are meant to be from me.)

Yes, I can easily see why Gunny would feel he has to make this post.. (if indeed he felt he had to) (As it happens way to often with clan and FLers alike)+I have seen him have to say it 3x and that is too many.

I see LOTS of people breaking this rule.. oddly enough I saw a few clan members (as well as recruits ofc) doing it.. I kept saying to myself that Clans especially should know this rule because they are more likely to be most informed, compared to the Avg FLer.

I sometimes find myself wanting to tell people, should I do this or is it my place at all?

I would think that it partially is, since I am a member of this fine community. I do after all tell people to ask for permission to enter a clan system, not to reload in PvP, etc.. Which is mainly so they have a good beginning and not one filled with confusion.. not to control their RP ofc

Anyway I suppose my main question is, what responsibilities do we, the players who aren't SP have? (In relation to this anyway, if you want you can expand I don't mind)

BTW I am not proposing some sort of police state or something..

I fully agree with Gunny. Have to say, that I experienced this situation too, when some pilot took BMGs onboard and hiding in NY while SoS run. Sure, you have to say that police have at least 2 RP system - California and Colorado for chase smuglers, but what can I do (police, mercs, pirates) if suspect hiding on Manhattan or Pittsburgh?

Firstly, let me say that I whole heartedly agree that hiding in New York to avoid role is just not acceptable. However, it should not be assumed that because a player has a bank/store in New York that they are avoiding role play? I placed a ship in New York NOT to avoid role play but to help other players. I like other players are often asked, Do you have a ship in New York?, because the player, asking the question, needs a transfer.

New York, being the birthplace for everyone, is the hub of creation; it makes sense to do transfers there. I have done several in the past few days for other players, none for myself. I also accept payment in one system, and repayment in another. To illustrate this point, I was moving my bank out of New York (because of this thread) and was immediately asked if I could help with a transfer.

So to be clear are we saying no ships above a set level are to camp in New York?
Are we saying no transfers can be made in New York?
Is it OK to park a bank outside New York and fly in to do the transfer?
Can freelancers camp in New York; the lead reference is to clan members?
Are players allowed to use New York to get to Texas, Colorado, Custodian and California? If so how do you differentiate between running to New York to hide and going through New York? Perhaps a time limit?

IF it was the SOS route, one way to stop people abusing rp would be to move the buyers station to a place like Manchester or Leeds etc

@ Aza: I would say though, that if they are staying in NY in order to avoid RP they are still abusing the rule. Wouldn't that not really directly address the rule breaking, just move a route so in that instance prevent it?

I am thinking, that if someone is doing this to avoid RP, then get the relevant evidence and bring it to the SP. I would also think, it would be proper to tell them they are breaking the rule.

@Lucy: Yes I would have to agree, I normally say hold/stop and then tell them about it.. I had to tell someone 2x.. anyway polite 1st is a good policy.

Titius-Bode: Once I was informed of not keeping my bank/store in NY, I decided TX was alright.. I no longer use it, but it might serve you ok I now use a different system, but Texas worked out fine for me then.

Edit: @Champ: I believe the reason is, RP is not allowed in Arena, the reason may be bigger. I had just seen before in-game that it was RP-Free so to speak.

My only concern really with restrictions on being in NY is that it makes sense to use it as a place to do safe transfers, especially since it is the spawning point for new characters. The game does not allow for the trade of materials or credits unless the two ships are physically alongside one another (guess FedEx wasn't on the sleeperships O.o). There have been instances when I've done transfers in X-3043 and got shot and killed before it could be completed. More recently I picked up ASF licenses from someone to give to fellow pilots and was killed by another player inside an allied clan system less than three minutes later - well before I had a chance to hand them out. It's not that loss shouldn't be a part of the game, but it seems silly imagining certain ship classes on their way to clan systems to trade - especially if they may be at a level high enough to be targeted by RP opponents flying (comparatively) invincible spacecraft. Whatever is wanted by the SPs will be fine on the matter - just expressing my unease with that particular point.

We are slightly off topic madame

The SOS route I think was a product of the introduction of the dynamic universe, before that I think those BMGs could have been sold in Custodian or even Wheel of Sirius.

Even the route to Sol (much further and more risk) allowed a lot of great rp - re BGs magnificant embargo of that route which led to probably the best rp on the server I ever seen.

I disagree with you then - there should be risk involved in moving BMGs such short distances for profit - and the NY systems gives help to the smugglers.

We even sometimes still see the suicide train trick in SOS - something which has thankfully more or less gone these days due to action by the SPs.

On topic - I would say I agree with Guns!!!

I agree we shouldn't use the NY system has a way to hide from the RP. If you guys want to be safe just stay docked.