NY

Is pvp in New York still against the rules?

-edit- nvm. I see rules in other thread thx.

For the record, without trying to flame anyone, im against this new NY thing simply becuz it will mean there is no true safe haven anymore imo.It was perfect for stores had decent, fast routes for a train and you could simply chat without being shot in the middle of a conversation. it gave everyone a little security. The freelancers are gonna be hit the hardest while clans will just store everything in their clan system and have more knowledge of routes becuz they have traveled more and wont have a problem, new freelancers are completly screwed in the trading department becuz they are new and havnt got the chance to explore. even when they reach whatever lvl (40?) that still aint quite enough to protect themselves. I mean think about that, fully armed pirate vs a freelancer with maybe if they are lucky a shroud, possibly with a few decent weps. no insult towards freelancers but, I doubt the they could handle it with that setup in fact i highly doubt anyone could. And btw what about when no SPs are on, whos gonna enforce those rules eh? simply reporting it later leaves room for people to abuse others while waiting for SP(they can still go on a killing rampage before they are taken care of and simply win in their eyes). Thats really gonna lower the amount of as pointed out earlier. You know there are gonna be people who abuse this. I really think this is a bad idea, I guess we'll just see how it unfolds....

on a side note I guess I need to move several of my chars...I havnt been on for awhile and come back and find this I left them in there from doing various activities trading, chasing pirates, etc. Ill be on later today to move em so SPs dont get mad.

Actually I am wondering about two things:

1) Information about this step did occur very slow, i was missing a reason for this drastic step being explained to players.

2) The main reasons for exiling all players above lvl 60 from NY are, as far as i understand, campers in NY and maybe the intention of OP to make people visit other systems more often.

Point 1 is just a failure in information policy, which can be easily handled by making a short notice in the forum in ADVANCE.
Point 2 is a little bit more complicated for me, as I have to guess, what intentions OP had with this step, but the Problem with real campers was handled in the forum in a very detailed form.
SP had already the necessary tools at hand, to handle this situation. You got problems with campers, so warn and / or kick / ban them.
You got problems with high level players "farming gold" in NY? Create some other interesting routes for traders (Just have a look at the famous Sol-Run). As long as 1 point of the Route is outside NY, pirates do have chance.

I do appreciate the work of OP a lot, as I had much fun so far, but as far as I´m concerned, this action was totally unnecessary.

-Mephisto.de-

Sorry Wavey for the miss understaning

What about a no-fire within 10 K of manhattan rule. Taxing outside the 10K permitted, any RP or other things within the 10K are not allowed. No camping with chars. Is this good?

I got a question. If you are trading outside of NY or kill a player or NPC outside of NY and get cargo that has the best price inside of NY at the time due to the dynamic markrt we now have, Are we not allowed to go into NY long enough to sell the cargo and get out? If not that's cool, I can deal with that. I just want to know before hand so i don't break any server rules. I have read the new rules for NY and understand but it was never made clear if we couldn't trade between NY and another system in 1 run, just that we could not trade in NY only to my understanding. I think trading in NY only, and trading between NY and another system cause of the dynamic trade system is different. I just want to have it a little more clarified, thank you.

If the PvP ban in NY has actually been lifted, then the console messages in-game, and the rules holo outside Manhattan should be changed in accordance with this. This was not the case this morning, so I have to assume the ban is still in place. Sadly, most newbies do not come first to the forum to see what the server climate is, so they are quite vulnerable to dishonorable pirates who are too lame to challenge or attack players capable of killing them outside NY.

Any newbie has only to call any IOC pilot in-game if under threat by pirates, and we will come hand out some whoop-a** to the pirates, wherever they are... [11]

Forgot to ask. If a freelancer has a store that is in NY and still under lvl 60 that is ok then isn't it? Seeing how the rules are for players that are over lvl 60. Am i correct on this point?

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Originally posted by -Mephisto.de-
Actually I am wondering about two things:

1) Information about this step did occur very slow, i was missing a reason for this drastic step being explained to players.

2) The main reasons for exiling all players above lvl 60 from NY are, as far as i understand, campers in NY and maybe the intention of OP to make people visit other systems more often.

Point 1 is just a failure in information policy, which can be easily handled by making a short notice in the forum in ADVANCE.
Point 2 is a little bit more complicated for me, as I have to guess, what intentions OP had with this step, but the Problem with real campers was handled in the forum in a very detailed form.
SP had already the necessary tools at hand, to handle this situation. You got problems with campers, so warn and / or kick / ban them.
You got problems with high level players "farming gold" in NY? Create some other interesting routes for traders (Just have a look at the famous Sol-Run). As long as 1 point of the Route is outside NY, pirates do have chance.

I do appreciate the work of OP a lot, as I had much fun so far, but as far as I´m concerned, this action was totally unnecessary.

-Mephisto.de-

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I may be wrong about this Mephisto, but I think the reason for the ban was to prevent experienced pilots from running to NY to escape opposing pirates during ASF-CSF roleplay.

Finally some time for CF...
I leave for a few days and look what happened? We have a system, and RP get's even worse.
What is going on here cannot even name roleplay, since almost no one acts as his/her role demands.
And for LP... After dozens of works (you still didn't payed one of the jobs), you blow up one of our storage without any reason? Fine.
For now on, SL close every contract with LP and wage a full scale against them.

Well it seems like the pirates are doing their RP.

I saw we attack them from all sides, corner them and drive them back into the abyss where they came from.

Who's with me?

And shooting a store - that's unspeakable crime

I want to be clear.

IOC is NOT joining any war against LP.

However we do like to shoot Pirates. hehehe